My Kargil testimony, declassified

[VCheng]

Nawaz Sharif, who else?

Actually, no. General Musharraf launched the whole operation without lawful permission.

 

[Zarvan]

@Syed.Ali.Haider

I've myself spoken to Kargil Veterens, from Sipahis, Major, Colonel and a Brigadier.

They all stated that Kargil was a military victory snatched from us by a spineless Prime Minister who caved into Clinton's coercion.

All historians including Brian Cloughly have stated the same. Musharraf was deeply trusted by his men, he lead them with great tactic and personal valor. He infiltrated in Indian controlled territory with other SSGs and spent the night there which was later confirmed by the Indian military.

Even today the highest peak in Kargil theater is a Pakistani checkpost. It remains an evidence that we were making progress in the conflict.

All Veterns i've spoken to have stated that Nawaz Sharif's order for a hasty, immediate and unilateral withdrawl lead to thousands of Pakistan casualties.

I took this article from your profile on FB why didn't you posted it here

 

[alpha q]

But it could be won more easily if we had better euipmment and more skilled soldiers.

Not needed... For people who invaded kargil our unskilled or unequipped soldiers were enough, lol... I mean whats the standard of invaders who ran off facing our so called unskilled soldiers. They must be trained how to hold their grounds without wetting their pants.

 

[Kompromat]

Actually, no. General Musharraf launched the whole operation without lawful permission.

For which (as usual) you have no evidence to offer.

 

[VCheng]

For which (as usual) you have no evidence to offer.

So may I assume you have the evidence to show that NS actually authorized the Kargil Operation?

 

[Kompromat]

@Syed.Ali.Haider

You are the one who needs to provide the evidence for leveling BS allgetions.

I'm not the one yapping baseless mantra..

 

[danger007]

@Syed.Ali.Haider

I've myself spoken to Kargil Veterens, from Sipahis, Major, Colonel and a Brigadier.

They all stated that Kargil was a military victory snatched from us by a spineless Prime Minister who caved into Clinton's coercion.

All historians including Brian Cloughly have stated the same. Musharraf was deeply trusted by his men, he lead them with great tactic and personal valor. He infiltrated in Indian controlled territory with other SSGs and spent the night there which was later confirmed by the Indian military.

Even today the highest peak in Kargil theater is a Pakistani checkpost. It remains an evidence that we were making progress in the conflict.

All Veterns i've spoken to have stated that Nawaz Sharif's order for a hasty, immediate and unilateral withdrawl lead to thousands of Pakistan casualties.

isn't India recaptured all peaks except one..... PN officers took leaves as they feared IN might attack them... Pak is not in a position to extend the war further... India threaten Pak to start full fledge war.... I don't know what kinda pride that you guys trying to pull from a disaster. ..

 

[ares]

Pakistan’s Duplicity On Kargil War Exposed By Ex-ISI Chief | Tune.pk

 

[VCheng]

@Syed.Ali.Haider

You are the one who needs to provide the evidence for leveling BS allgetions.

I'm not the one yapping baseless mantra..

So you have no evidence either.

Given that no official documents can be posted as evidence without running afoul of regulations for or against any side of the debate, we have to look at other evidence that can be discussed. Fair enough?

Kargil has been analyzed and discussed in detail in many resources, and it is clear that it was an illegal and unauthorized military adventure cooked by General Musharraf, with scant regard for the political fallout. It was a classic case of a brilliant tactician being a success on the field and an utter disaster for his nation in the end.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

some people dont understand 21st century warfare AND Diplomacy ...
see current Crimeia incident even with RUSSIA Military might which can run over ukrain and crimea in few HRS
BUT
Diplomatic pressure from another countires is not allowing FULL CONTROL>.
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Those High rank armed force guy still think they won militariy and lost due to politics and diplomacy
are
either
Lying to own people
or
did not understnad new age warfare ..
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Kargil .. biggest achivemt of india IS ..
Terrorism as state instrument of state become uselss wepaon
kashmir cause .. Mujahiden drama got expose and lost relevnace even till now and may be next few decades

 

[sms]

So you have no evidence either.

Given that no official documents can be posted as evidence with running afoul of regulations for or against any side of the debate, we have to look at other evidence that can be discussed. Fair enough?

Kargil has been analyzed and discussed in detail in many resources, and it is clear that it was an illegal and unauthorized military adventure cooked by General Musharraf, with scant regard for the political fallout. It was a classic case of a brilliant tactician being a success on the field and an utter disaster for his nation in the end.

Hope this will open eyes of people love conspiracy theories.

Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has claimed that he called for a ceasefire to end the Kargil war in 1999 after Army chief Pervez Musharraf 'begged' him to do so.
Sharif, in an interview for a book Gaddar Kaun, also scoffed at the 'pull-out' by the Pakistani troops from Kargil saying they had 'lost everything.'

He admitted Pakistan made a 'request' to militants to withdraw from Kargil only to 'show to the world' that Pakistani troops had not occupied the icy heights in Jammu and Kashmir.

"The fact is that when Musharraf's misadventure failed miserably, this commando general came to me to get the war ceased at any cost," Sharif told author Suhail Warraich in an interview for an updated edition of the book which was released in Pakistan on Friday.

The former premier said US General Anthony Zinni's book 'verifies this claim of his.'

"His testimony clearly says that it was the army chief and not the prime minister, who wanted the ceasefire," Sharif said.

Sharif refuted Musharraf's claims that international pressure over Kargil had demoralised him.

"It is an interesting claim... I was not demoralised by the international pressure... first, he begged me for a ceasefire and then bade me farewell at the Chaklala Airport for Washington," the then premier said.

Sharif claims that after the first phase of his meeting with the then US President Bill Clinton, he came to know that India had recaptured Tiger Hill from Pakistani troops.

"You have lost everything already, now what should I talk about," Sharif claims to have told Musharraf during a telephone conversation from Washington.

Sharif said that he made the announcement asking the mujahideen to withdraw from the occupied heights at the advise of his military secretary to show the world that it were they who had captured the Karil peaks.

"When the mujahideen were formally requested to pull out from the peaks at a meeting called by the ISI, a militant commander asked 'where Kargil was.' This triggered laughter," Sharif said.

The former premier said that he appointed Musharraf as the army chief on the advise of defence secretary Iftikhar Ali Khan.

"Khan told me that Musharraf worshipped me as his hero. He advised me to appoint Musharraf as the army chief," Sharif said.

'Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire'

'US told Pak to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War' - Rediff.com India News
"India is hopping mad. Please get out of the places you have occupied," was the American message to Pakistan in the wake of the Kargil War in 1999, Pakistan’s then envoy to the US, Riaz Khokhar said in Islamabad on Sunday.

Almost 15 years after Pakistani troops intruded across the Line of Control sparking the border conflict, the issue came up for discussion at the Islamabad Literature Festival.

The speakers at the discussion, including former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Khokhar, former ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder and journalist Nasim Zehra had an open and frank talk about different aspects of the conflict.

All the three speakers agreed that the war was an "avoidable venture".

Khokhar gave an insight into the American reaction to the Kargil conflict.

"It was an avoidable venture. I was called by senior (US) Department of State officials and told to get out of the areas that we had occupied," he said.

He said the biggest failure of Pakistan was that it was not able to develop a credible narrative. "I think we were seen as an irresponsible country," he said.

Khokhar said there was unanimity in the army that the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was properly briefed on the war.

He dismissed the notion that the theatre of war would have expanded had Pakistan not withdrawn.

"The US said India is hopping mad. Please get out of the areas you have occupied otherwise the theatre of war might expand. It was a mere threat that US used," he said.

Khokhar said there was no movement of troops on the Indian side to suggest that the theatre of war would spread.

Zehra, whose book on the Kargil conflict is to be launched soon, said, "Kargil is not something that Pakistan army as an institution is proud of".

She said there was a "Kargil clique" of "four generals who had planned it which was more or less a disaster".

Pakistani soldiers needed better leadership than those who planned the Kargil conflict, she said.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Hope this will open eyes of people love conspiracy theories.

Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has claimed that he called for a ceasefire to end the Kargil war in 1999 after Army chief Pervez Musharraf 'begged' him to do so.
Sharif, in an interview for a book Gaddar Kaun, also scoffed at the 'pull-out' by the Pakistani troops from Kargil saying they had 'lost everything.'

He admitted Pakistan made a 'request' to militants to withdraw from Kargil only to 'show to the world' that Pakistani troops had not occupied the icy heights in Jammu and Kashmir.

"The fact is that when Musharraf's misadventure failed miserably, this commando general came to me to get the war ceased at any cost," Sharif told author Suhail Warraich in an interview for an updated edition of the book which was released in Pakistan on Friday.

The former premier said US General Anthony Zinni's book 'verifies this claim of his.'

"His testimony clearly says that it was the army chief and not the prime minister, who wanted the ceasefire," Sharif said.

Sharif refuted Musharraf's claims that international pressure over Kargil had demoralised him.

"It is an interesting claim... I was not demoralised by the international pressure... first, he begged me for a ceasefire and then bade me farewell at the Chaklala Airport for Washington," the then premier said.

Sharif claims that after the first phase of his meeting with the then US President Bill Clinton, he came to know that India had recaptured Tiger Hill from Pakistani troops.

"You have lost everything already, now what should I talk about," Sharif claims to have told Musharraf during a telephone conversation from Washington.

Sharif said that he made the announcement asking the mujahideen to withdraw from the occupied heights at the advise of his military secretary to show the world that it were they who had captured the Karil peaks.

"When the mujahideen were formally requested to pull out from the peaks at a meeting called by the ISI, a militant commander asked 'where Kargil was.' This triggered laughter," Sharif said.

The former premier said that he appointed Musharraf as the army chief on the advise of defence secretary Iftikhar Ali Khan.

"Khan told me that Musharraf worshipped me as his hero. He advised me to appoint Musharraf as the army chief," Sharif said.

'Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire'

'US told Pak to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War' - Rediff.com India News
"India is hopping mad. Please get out of the places you have occupied," was the American message to Pakistan in the wake of the Kargil War in 1999, Pakistan’s then envoy to the US, Riaz Khokhar said in Islamabad on Sunday.

Almost 15 years after Pakistani troops intruded across the Line of Control sparking the border conflict, the issue came up for discussion at the Islamabad Literature Festival.

The speakers at the discussion, including former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Khokhar, former ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder and journalist Nasim Zehra had an open and frank talk about different aspects of the conflict.

All the three speakers agreed that the war was an "avoidable venture".

Khokhar gave an insight into the American reaction to the Kargil conflict.

"It was an avoidable venture. I was called by senior (US) Department of State officials and told to get out of the areas that we had occupied," he said.

He said the biggest failure of Pakistan was that it was not able to develop a credible narrative. "I think we were seen as an irresponsible country," he said.

Khokhar said there was unanimity in the army that the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was properly briefed on the war.

He dismissed the notion that the theatre of war would have expanded had Pakistan not withdrawn.

"The US said India is hopping mad. Please get out of the areas you have occupied otherwise the theatre of war might expand. It was a mere threat that US used," he said.

Khokhar said there was no movement of troops on the Indian side to suggest that the theatre of war would spread.

Zehra, whose book on the Kargil conflict is to be launched soon, said, "Kargil is not something that Pakistan army as an institution is proud of".

She said there was a "Kargil clique" of "four generals who had planned it which was more or less a disaster".

Pakistani soldiers needed better leadership than those who planned the Kargil conflict, she said.

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source?

 

[hkdas]

Nawaz Sharif, who else?

watch this video, it is musharraf who send Nawaz Sharif to US for ending the war.

 

[sms]

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source?

'US told Pak to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War' - Rediff.com India News
'Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire'

 

[pursuit of happiness]

'US told Pak to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War' - Rediff.com India News
'Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire'

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need more credible source dear . as rediff cant be termed for that huge claim... jsut a opinion