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My Faith is on Trail once again .. why ?

اسلام به ذات خود ندارد عیبی ، هر عیب که هست از مسلمانی ماست

Islam is not inherently wrong / It is the fault of our Muslim

I don't know how accurate my translation was but this picture is the meaning of the poem :

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I find this message perfect for whats happening nowadays so i thought i should share it with you guys,

Im a Muslim

Kill me and call it,
Collateral Damage
Imprison me and call it,
Security Measure
Exile my people en masse and call it,
New Middle East
Rob my resoureces , Invaade my land , Alter my leadership and call it,
Democarcy.
 
I find this message perfect for whats happening nowadays so i thought i should share it with you guys,

Im a Muslim

Kill me and call it,
Collateral Damage
Imprison me and call it,
Security Measure
Exile my people en masse and call it,
New Middle East
Rob my resoureces , Invaade my land , Alter my leadership and call it,
Democarcy.
To that add:
Insult me and call it,
Freedom of speech
 
A muslim worker in the Jewish shop led 15 Jews to safety and hid them from the gunman , the first police officer shot in the head by gunman at news magazine was muslim, so muslims were vicgims and heroes of this bloody episode too
Even if the police man and the worker were not muslims then you got nothing to apologise but highlighting this fact to the haters helps to shut them up
youtgot nothing to defend or explain yourself bigots will find excuse to blame you whatever you do . So dont waste time worrying about them.

how often you see they show that the police officer was a muslim and the person who save many jews in kosher shop , I just know that from you. . . when it comes to any achievement a person nationality becomes highlighted.. but when some terrorism incident happen , than what matter is their religion no body care for their citizenship? ??
imagine if they were Pakistani muslim ?? I don't care about the double standard but the way muslim goes into the mental torture after any incident .. is unacceptable. .on every small or big forum a common muslim have to come up and justify his innocence why?? when the psycho guy killed 14 kids in usa school does all Christian or Catholics have to come up and justify their religious teaching? ??
if they can't drop this double standard than there is no way a common muslim will ever feel secure within west .. and always wait for his turn to get arrested as a terrorist suspect. .

To that add:
Insult me and call it,
Freedom of speech

come to my country and kill my childrens and call it ...

in war , people die ..anyway
 
I consider myself lucky not to be a muslim but I have a number of friends and a relative who are muslims. Everytime some terrorism occurs it becomes a complex thing and I become quite confused about how to face my muslim friends because I know they are feeling bad and they know I am feeling bad - we both do not know how to feel about it.

The OP question about why the religion and all muslims go on a media trial - that is quite obvious - media outlets compete with each other and sell whatever is sensational because that is what people watch.

The tougher question is how do the 90% muslims (and their friends such as me) who do not believe in violent jihad or supremacy of their god or religion over that of others ...how do they distinguish themselves from the jihadi nuts who may be 10% or less? If I knew the perfect answer I'd say it but does anyone have that answer?

I do know two things I'd like to say and I think these two do contribute to the solution:

1) I have seen a number of muslims, not given to violen jihad and supremacy, even they consider not being like them make others sinners! they don't say it directly or in so many words but it comes out. To that extent I think there is indeed some problem within that religion that leads them to that belief. Islamic scholars, instead of maintaining there is no blemish in Islam, must look into the practice of Islam, identify such notions and educate muslims that they are no better or worse than non-muslims.

2) The hatred for Jews and Hindus amongst Muslims is legendary - I see it in every paper, every website. People of Pakistan for example have no idea about the details of Israel-Palestine conflict but celebrate hamas and decry israel for everything. Similarly anything happening in India is posed as a Hindu issue, not Indian; anything happening in the USA is Christian not American ... as far as the Pakistanis are concerned. IOW religion is given too much importance in your lives. You have to find ways to put it in its place

I don't feel sorry for terrorists, at the same time i have stopped being apologetic everytime something happens. Instead I am as furious as the sufferes. If you know the core teachings of your religion you would be confident to convince people unless other side is adamant in his views. I've found locals here in UK to be very understanding but am really sorry to say i have the impression of most Indians to be rather super 'dheet' to convince and provocative on the contrary. Your first point is quite fine and agreeable but your other point is far less logical and reflects the typical approach Indians have for Pakistan. I can simply reverse it and can put India in place of Pakistan to get things straight. You have the same delusion about Pakistan when you say if something happens in USA we blanket it under Christianity cover. This part is hilarious in your otherwise supportive and a quality post. You might be talking about those 10% but then you are generalizing it on 100% (re: people of Pakistan). I would suggest you to not mix east and west, and take a balanced step to understand things from a rational view point. You do not need to agree with everything which is fair.

Thanks for your sentiments and some fair points.
 
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@Faizan Memon
the request and desire from every muslim, if any, is that
1)the peaceful majority should be really reigning in the extremist radicals in your faith.
2) If non-Muslims take up action against these people, recognize that its not against your religion but against those pigs an we require you to unequivocally be on our part instead of condoning the actions of the pigs.

we will reciprocate the same.
A vast number of Muslims condemn any terrorist attack in any part of the world. If someone doesn't condemn such attack, the whole Muslim world become terrorist

BTW, not every single Christian/Jew/Hindu condemned Peshawar attack, what should we say then ??
 
Wow, buddy, you've asked over a billion people of their opinion and are posting it here, eh? So you speak this tendency is embedded in the entire Muslim population and cannot be, let's suppose, your own prejudice?


Actually i do not need to know what billion people think. I just need to show mirror to people who claim to be victimized by Ze ebil Infidel drawing cartoon of muhammad.


The fact that muslim draw worst cartoons of religious figures of other religions, and produce even worst propaganda against infidel deviods muslims them of any moral right to cry victim over cartoon of muhammad.
 
You're clearly in a dreamworld, fellow. A Muslim cannot draw a picture of Jesus, Moses and any other Prophet as they are our Prophets as well. Anyone who does so is liable to the same punishment. Go search it up. Secondly, it's actually forbidden in our faith to mock any religion. Anyone who does so is going against our faith. Search that up to. And kindly, wake up.

Actually i do not need to know what billion people think. I just need to show mirror to people who claim to be victimized by Ze ebil Infidel drawing cartoon of muhammad.


The fact that muslim draw worst cartoons of religious figures of other religions, and produce even worst propaganda against infidel deviods muslims them of any moral right to cry victim over cartoon of muhammad.
 
You're clearly in a dreamworld, fellow. A Muslim cannot draw a picture of Jesus, Moses and any other Prophet as they are our Prophets as well. Anyone who does so is liable to the same punishment. Go search it up. Secondly, it's actually forbidden in our faith to mock any religion. Anyone who does so is going against our faith. Search that up to. And kindly, wake up.

Charlie Hebdo and How Prophet Mohammad would Respond

This guys sums it up beautifully...after reading this blog, I get faith back

By all means, take action. But, does it have to be violent?

No, the Quran insists.

“When you see them engaged in vain discourse about Our Signs, turn away from them unless they engage in a different subject. If Satan ever makes you forget (i.e. your mind gets engrossed in their discourse,) then as soon as you recollect, no longer sit in the company of the people who confound the truth with falsehood.” – Quran 6:68



Please take note. Far from persecuting or killing people who mock Islam, Muslims are advised to simply withdraw from such a discourse, and quite revealingly, join the gathering back, if they happen to change the subject. Certainly that means we’re not even supposed to harbor ill-feeling or enmity towards them, let alone kill them!



And, again, Quran 28:55 instructs, “Whenever they (believers) hear vain talk of ridicule, they withdraw from it decently and say, ‘“To us our deeds and to you yours; Peace be upon you, we do not seek to join the ignorant.”


Whatever happened to such golden advice given in the Quran regarding freedom of expression, the book we hold so dear, Muslims?

Charlie Hebdo and How Prophet Mohammad would Respond

Posting extracts for the group
 

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