My Faith is on Trail once again .. why ?

[Ranndhawa]

Please explain to me what ahmadia is, if you are truly an "ahmadia".

I would have,had this been a theoretic site but since you asked so how abt that :--- I believe in the TAWHID but then it is not exclusive to any particular relegion,Adwait school of Hinduism is similar to Tawhid as well as some sufi schools.


were u forced to exile for being ahmadia?

Since you have stopped replying to me, can I suggest you go to the local Ahmadiyya community in Abbottsford. I know who the local president of the chapter is. Go to him, he will teach you ahmadi teachings so your impersonation and troll skills improve.

Like i said earlier i don't indulge myself in sectarian B.S that way i can enjoy the fruits of free society, can't say the same abt you.

 

[waz]

i am just stating facts...

when that french Muslim was shot, may be they didn't know he was Muslim or they thought he is with kafur.

They did know, sorry Demigod. The guy looked more North African than themselves.....They just saw him as a traitor.

 

[VCheng]

Has sense come back here or not?

Oh you eternal optimist!

I expect nut jobs to be taken care of without any conditions. Any nut jobs - on my end or yours.

There are nut jobs on my end. and they will be taken care of irrespective of your siding with me or not.

now tell me - you with me to clear out the nut jobs on your side? cos thats all we fighting against.

The good nutjobs or the bad nutjobs?

 

[waz]

Stay on topic please, or the thread gets locked/deleted.

This thread should be in the social or member section.

 

[VCheng]

Stay on topic please, or the thread gets locked/deleted.

This thread should be in the social or member section.

Exactly what is the topic here? Please do try to clarify. Thanks!

 

[waz]

Exactly what is the topic here? Please do try to clarify. Thanks!

Why my faith is on trial.

Not the number of rapes in India. Not the number of murders in Pakistan/India. Not wether someone is an Ahamdi or not. Not whether someone is hiding behind aliases, and the other sheer amount of dribble I had to sort through.

 

[VCheng]

Why my faith is on trial.

Not the number of rapes in India. Not the number of murders in Pakistan/India. Not wether someone is an Ahamdi or not. Not whether someone is hiding behind aliases, and the other sheer amount of dribble I had to sort through.

But the basic premise fails here. Nobody's faith is on trial because there is no appropriate court with jurisdiction on this area. Hence it is a facetious claim.

 

[waz]

But the basic premise fails here. Nobody's faith is on trial because there is no appropriate court with jurisdiction on this area. Hence it is a facetious claim.

I think he implies there is a "media trial" of sorts, or a trial by individual's people meet.

 

[RescueRanger]

My friend of 19 years living in Europe, had to change him name yesterday because of what has happened in France.

He has a public facing job and was bombarded with insults after people read "Muhammad" on his nameplate.

Thing is, this event has given the hate monkeys in that region the very tool they were looking for to push forward their
insidious plot.

The voices off reason are small compared to the horns of war. Yes Muslims have a lot work to do to correct this issue in their communities.

But not long ago in history Europe did the very same.

American Muslims Are Stuck Between a Rock and a Hard Place

 

[VCheng]

I think he implies there is a "media trial" of sorts, or a trial by individual's people meet.

I think that was the intent, but even that implication is based on a notion that somehow media is putting Islam on trial for the acts of terrorism being carried out by its followers. It is not. Civil societies are merely asking the deep questions necessary to explain why this religion in particular seems to have gone astray, or rather, its followers.

 

[Jit]

I consider myself lucky not to be a muslim but I have a number of friends and a relative who are muslims. Everytime some terrorism occurs it becomes a complex thing and I become quite confused about how to face my muslim friends because I know they are feeling bad and they know I am feeling bad - we both do not know how to feel about it.

The OP question about why the religion and all muslims go on a media trial - that is quite obvious - media outlets compete with each other and sell whatever is sensational because that is what people watch.

The tougher question is how do the 90% muslims (and their friends such as me) who do not believe in violent jihad or supremacy of their god or religion over that of others ...how do they distinguish themselves from the jihadi nuts who may be 10% or less? If I knew the perfect answer I'd say it but does anyone have that answer?

I do know two things I'd like to say and I think these two do contribute to the solution:

1) I have seen a number of muslims, not given to violen jihad and supremacy, even they consider not being like them make others sinners! they don't say it directly or in so many words but it comes out. To that extent I think there is indeed some problem within that religion that leads them to that belief. Islamic scholars, instead of maintaining there is no blemish in Islam, must look into the practice of Islam, identify such notions and educate muslims that they are no better or worse than non-muslims.

2) The hatred for Jews and Hindus amongst Muslims is legendary - I see it in every paper, every website. People of Pakistan for example have no idea about the details of Israel-Palestine conflict but celebrate hamas and decry israel for everything. Similarly anything happening in India is posed as a Hindu issue, not Indian; anything happening in the USA is Christian not American ... as far as the Pakistanis are concerned. IOW religion is given too much importance in your lives. You have to find ways to put it in its place

 

[Levina]

Your analysis is balanced. There's nothing to introspect though, there are extremist which other peaceful Muslims don't endorse. Now the responsibility lies on these big media houses that play a very important role in perception building. They are controlling the thought process of people. Even if a person thinks he knows they're going a bit too far with their bias but watches it will somewhere get things planted in his sub conscious and if it happens again he may start believing it. So Muslims have condemned, disowned and protested against terrorism if there's anything left that is we also take up arms and fight against them which won't be a solution to the problem. The world needs to understand its responsibility and differentiate between terrorists and Muslims. Every religion has its own set of extremists but only because they don't kill in the name of their religion, they're alright? No. So if media is used to change things in a positive manner the terrorists recruiters will eventually go out of work and this menace will be eradicated.

Yes every religion has its own sets of extremists. But I've yet to know of a terrorist organisation as big as ISIS and Al-Qaeda from any other religion.
Dont get me wrong there. I dont intend to sully any religion here but want to point at the problem that exists. Its time for the moderate muslims to rise against the misinterpretations of Quran, thats all I meant.

Lolz...that list reads like the who's who of Africa. Nobody in the world has a bead on crime the way we do...hum to jurm ki duniya ke rehbar hain.

hmmm???
You've wrongly quoted me there sire. I wasnt the one who gave you that list.

Can you quote me some please? Need to post elsewhere. Links or photos will do.

This pic I was talking about (muslims praying aside of "Je suis Charlie" (I'm Charlie).

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why After every terrorist attack in west, the Muslims have to prove it to the world that they are not terrorist and no with the Ideology of Terrorism ? Its not that there are no incident where Muslims were brutally Slaughtered by Non-Muslims , why " Radical " word is just reserved for Muslims now ? almost every News Channel ,keep putting it in their headline , associating Terrorist as " Islamic " how many time Muslims have to come out and give the testimony of their Faith ?? and will this ever end ?

I am a Muslim to , i never hurt anyone in my life , I respect other Religions as much i respect Mine , i dont react violently when i see any Insulting Cartoon or Movie about our Prophet's on Internet ,but i move on with a small Wish that " May Allah6 give them Guidance " but what hurts me when i see Media , who associate my Religion with those blood thirty demons , who justify the Killings of Children's ...

If i am good ,its because what my Religion taught me, and if i have anything bad its because of my own faults, but still every time any incident happen in west , my whole faith and religion be put in the trail , Mistakes of some become curse for many ? why ??

People want secular Muslims to step up and fight , but Question is which media have time for secular Muslims ? when did the last time any western media present Islam form a different Prospectus ? there is no flaws in Islam but in those who are misleading and preaching it to others , I dont Blame a common man who is living in west , a life where he work , go out with friends , beaches and Parks, chill in Clubs .. when he experience a Terrorist attack , what kind of feeling they have about certain people , but Media ....they do the work of Petrol in the fire , Instead of trying to differentiate between Terrorist and Muslims , they rise question like " does a Muslim living in your neighborhood can be trusted " anyone in west and there might be many who have Muslim friends at their college or work , just because of same headline repeating thousands of time over the TV makes them think , that can we even trust the guy whom we call our friend for so many years ??

Saying "La illaha illal la , Muhammadur Rasool Allah " is just enough to be Muslim ?? by having name like Osama , Baghdadi , Omar etc makes you a Muslim ? having a beard is the testimony for being a Muslim ?? ( my skin is the way , i dont have much beard , so does that mean i cant be a Muslim ) ? i didnt go out shooting Allah ho Akbar , everything someone Insult or make fun of my Prophets , so does this action take me the right to be a Muslim ? I am not even punctual with Salah , i dont wear a Salwaar Kameez with high , so does my dressing now present me as a muslim ? Salah , Hajj , Fast is we do for Allah , its his right to punish me for not doing it, i dont offer my Salah for my imam,he has no right to point finger at me and call me a Kafir ....than what does make a Muslim a Real Muslim ?

Been secular mean a true Muslim ?? just because you stand up with idea mostly people follow makes you the right person ?? What is our identity ? Wearing Jeans, Glasses , sneakers , dressed up like a burger , go over the internet , Talk to peoples , what it does achieve ? a Muslim in west spend his life making good Friends who can trust him ,and one Attack like this put his everything , friendship , Loyalty , Nationalism and even humanity on trail ? is that supposed to be like this ??

I Wish that this Madness of Extremism will end soon , Obviously with out peoples from all over the world , some bunch of Muslims cant do it alone .. In today's world only few types are accepted , and dont see as threat Kids under 10 , old peoples aged 80+ , self hating Muslims , Malala's ...... where and when did a Common Muslim stands in the news headlines of Western Countries ? but right after any incident , suddenly the common Muslim become the prime target for the Media ....why ???

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A muslim worker in the Jewish shop led 15 Jews to safety and hid them from the gunman , the first police officer shot in the head by gunman at news magazine was muslim, so muslims were vicgims and heroes of this bloody episode too
Even if the police man and the worker were not muslims then you got nothing to apologise but highlighting this fact to the haters helps to shut them up
youtgot nothing to defend or explain yourself bigots will find excuse to blame you whatever you do . So dont waste time worrying about them.

 

[Bang Galore]

IOW religion is given too much importance in your lives. You have to find ways to put it in its place

Yup......I agree completely.

now tell me - you with me to clear out the nut jobs on your side? cos thats all we fighting against.

........depends on how much you are paying.....
America cheats Pakistan...again

...and whether they are useful nut jobs or not.....

 

[Levina]

I consider myself lucky not to be a muslim but I have a number of friends and a relative who are muslims. Everytime some terrorism occurs it becomes a complex thing and I become quite confused about how to face my muslim friends because I know they are feeling bad and they know I am feeling bad - we both do not know how to feel about it.

The OP question about why the religion and all muslims go on a media trial - that is quite obvious - media outlets compete with each other and sell whatever is sensational because that is what people watch.

The tougher question is how do the 90% muslims (and their friends such as me) who do not believe in violent jihad or supremacy of their god or religion over that of others ...how do they distinguish themselves from the jihadi nuts who may be 10% or less? If I knew the perfect answer I'd say it but does anyone have that answer?

I do know two things I'd like to say and I think these two do contribute to the solution:

1) I have seen a number of muslims, not given to violen jihad and supremacy, even they consider not being like them make others sinners! they don't say it directly or in so many words but it comes out. To that extent I think there is indeed some problem within that religion that leads them to that belief. Islamic scholars, instead of maintaining there is no blemish in Islam, must look into the practice of Islam, identify such notions and educate muslims that they are no better or worse than non-muslims.

2) The hatred for Jews and Hindus amongst Muslims is legendary - I see it in every paper, every website. People of Pakistan for example have no idea about the details of Israel-Palestine conflict but celebrate hamas and decry israel for everything. Similarly anything happening in India is posed as a Hindu issue, not Indian; anything happening in the USA is Christian not American ... as far as the Pakistanis are concerned. IOW religion is given too much importance in your lives. You have to find ways to put it in its place

You nailed it!!!

And you're right about the awkward feeling one gets on how to face muslim frens (some of 'em), because more often they've been offended by my words (which I would 've said to console 'em) after such attacks.