My boyfriend told me he comes from a small town in China, so I went there and..

[Hamartia Antidote]

The only problem I see is you spend way more than this money on wars and military.

LOL! We aren’t going to build something because some people think it is “cool” while the majority of others would rather fly to save the time.

 

[jamal18]

One thing I don't understand about HSR is why it's necessary if cheap flights are possible?

Can some one genuinely clarify this.

 

[KAL-EL]

Hasn't he posted anti-US threads?

Quite a few, yes.

Many of them turn into giant Crcle Jerks.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

One thing I don't understand about HSR is why it's necessary if cheap flights are possible?

Can some one genuinely clarify this.

It’s seems high speed rail is desirable for routes that would take under 45 minutes by plane. This works very well for countries with major cities that are close by. Unfortunately in the US most major areas are very far away. Typical routes are from the East coast to the West coast or anyplace in the US to Orlando Florida. With HSR these routes would be over 8 hours. So now we have to look for smaller routes that would be more applicable like LA to San Francisco or Vegas to some location in California. Maybe Atlanta to Miami thru Orlando.

Anyways instead of filling a need we end up just searching for one.

 

[gambit]

You are like a broken record player that @Mista pointed out. You keep rehashing the same arguments over and over and over saying the US should be like China and then angrily saying stop expecting China be like the US.

Ultimately, it is about an inferiority complex seeking validation. China is a rising power but had to do it using American standards, not her own. So what better than to have the premier power validate you by emulating you in every way? But at the same time, they are frustrated that Americans are so stubborn. These guys do not know what it is like living in your own domain. They do not live on lands they own, only a long term lease from the government and they had to try to convince Americans that is the better way. They do not know what it is like to feel grass on one's feet, or go into the garage and tinker with your own devices, or get into your own vehicle and go anywhere you want. They are fine with the Chinese government telling them what to do even down to how many children they can have, and they are frustrated that the stubborn Americans do not follow.

The economic benefits that HSR brings to the local economy...

What is it about the phrase 'Americans do not care for trains' escaped you? What is it that you do not understand of 'DO NOT CARE' ?

 

[letsrock]

One thing I don't understand about HSR is why it's necessary if cheap flights are possible?

Can some one genuinely clarify this.

I dont think flights come anywhere near the comfort high speed travel provides.

For eg. there is a train almost every 20-30 mins from beijing to shanghai. You need to go to shanghai ? just turn up the station and wait.

On the other hand catching an airflight from say NYC to Chicago isnt that easy. You need to book in advance - if you book close to travel date the price is several times more and expensive.

Moreovoer different airlines operate from different terminals. you dont have the convenience of highspeed travel.

Once the rail network is laid - its very cheap to run trains - most expensive part is done. But in airlines the most expensive is the aircraft itself which is heavily depreciating asset.

I think both sides are correct to some extent in this debate.

China CHOSE to go with high raise apartment for its citizen. it could have taken townhome or individual housing route too. Contrary to what many people think - they dont necessarily take that much space - if designed well.

So its fair to say China , at this moment, is unable to provide a large house at reasonable with picket fence some 40 mins - one hour away from the city core.

Similairy america decided on sprawling suburban and expensive style of housing.

Its fair to say - america, at this moment, is unable to provide safe, relatively affordable urban housing for those who want that lifestyle.
Condo living is super expensive in america but something even a train driver can afford in china.

 

[flowerfan2020]

Hasn't he posted anti-US threads?

You want me to show you anti-China thread compare to anti-U.S thread number count every day?

 

[MH.Yang]

There’s almost 20,000 cities in the US. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

China's urbanization rate exceeds 80%, with a population of 1.4 billion. But there are only 2135 cities in China. There are 20000 cities in the USA?

Do you count villages and towns with a population of several thousand as cities?

 

[etylo]

China's urbanization rate exceeds 80%, with a population of 1.4 billion. But there are only 663 cities in China. There are 20000 cities in the USA?

Do you count villages and towns with a population of several thousand as cities?

Yeah, anything with more than few thousands in North America are considered cities. In China, I think small cities are suppose to have population of at least 100000, anything below that are classified as towns, boroughs and villages respectively.

 

[beijingwalker]

Ultimately, it is about an inferiority complex seeking validation. China is a rising power but had to do it using American standards, not her own. So what better than to have the premier power validate you by emulating you in every way? But at the same time, they are frustrated that Americans are so stubborn. These guys do not know what it is like living in your own domain. They do not live on lands they own, only a long term lease from the government and they had to try to convince Americans that is the better way. They do not know what it is like to feel grass on one's feet, or go into the garage and tinker with your own devices, or get into your own vehicle and go anywhere you want. They are fine with the Chinese government telling them what to do even down to how many children they can have, and they are frustrated that the stubborn Americans do not follow.


What is it about the phrase 'Americans do not care for trains' escaped you? What is it that you do not understand of 'DO NOT CARE' ?

Yes, we just can't live with infested garbage dump city subways that Americans get so used to, cause we use them every day and it's something can really affect our mood, if Americans are fine with them or don't care about their abysmal infras, it's perfectly fine with us, but you can not ban us from talking about it.

Yeah, anything with more than few thousands in North America are considered cities. In China, I think small cities are suppose to have population of at least 100000, anything below that are classified as towns, boroughs and villages respectively.

I used to live in Madison city, New Jersey. it has only 2,000 people while they call them a city, In Beijing every neighborhood has way more residents than it.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I dont think flights come anywhere near the comfort high speed travel provides.

For eg. there is a train almost every 20-30 mins from beijing to shanghai. You need to go to shanghai ? just turn up the station and wait.

On the other hand catching an airflight from say NYC to Chicago isnt that easy.

That's a great example of China connecting two of their top major cities (541 miles as the crow flies) by HSR.

It takes 4 hours and 18 minutes by their 350km/h train.

Beijing to Shanghai by train 2024 | Times, fares, tickets

A guide to train travel between Beijing & Shanghai, with train times, fares, how to buy tickets online and at the station, and what the high-speed and sleeper trains are like.

www.seat61.com

But now look at your example of New York to Chicago and you'll realize the distances between our popular major cities are WAY larger.

Look how far 541 miles gets you from NYC and you'll understand why HSR simply wont work in the US as well as it would in China.

Our popular destination areas are much further apart. That 4 hour and 18 minute train ride is probably going to get you halfway to Miami. Meanwhile if you took a plane it would be only 3 hours and 10 minutes.

I can see NYC to DC but that is going through some of the most expensive realestate in the US. So yay maybe we have found a route that may be doable...but that it just a tiny win in the big picture of what our requirements actually are.

 

[MH.Yang]

You keep screaming at me in other threads that China isn’t like the US so don’t push what we feel is the correct way of living on the Chinese people.

As has been noted in this thread it just isn’t practical to have Chinese live a US lifestyle of single family homes due to land issues…which sounds logical and I can accept it as a valid answer.

However when it comes to the opposite case of what you think is the correct way of living is and trying to say the US should do it…you are being hypocritically stubborn in not accepting the fact that we are not China and we don’t want what China is doing.

Why do you keep crying that China isn’t the US so I should stop trying to make China conform to what the US feels Is the norm…yet over and over and over you keep bringing up things like cities and HSR and saying this should be the US norm and we should be following China…even when I post facts saying this is exactly what we don’t want or that it is impractical??

You are like a broken record player that @Mista pointed out. You keep rehashing the same arguments over and over and over saying the US should be like China and then angrily saying stop expecting China be like the US.

Can you just read this and let it sink into you head?

https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o

Ultimately, it is about an inferiority complex seeking validation. China is a rising power but had to do it using American standards, not her own. So what better than to have the premier power validate you by emulating you in every way? But at the same time, they are frustrated that Americans are so stubborn. These guys do not know what it is like living in your own domain. They do not live on lands they own, only a long term lease from the government and they had to try to convince Americans that is the better way. They do not know what it is like to feel grass on one's feet, or go into the garage and tinker with your own devices, or get into your own vehicle and go anywhere you want. They are fine with the Chinese government telling them what to do even down to how many children they can have, and they are frustrated that the stubborn Americans do not follow.


What is it about the phrase 'Americans do not care for trains' escaped you? What is it that you do not understand of 'DO NOT CARE' ?

In China, single family housing is also adopted in rural areas with small population. But the price of these houses is lower than that of urban apartments.

And many rural areas are less than an hour's drive from the city.

These single family houses are not expensive. What is really expensive is the land in the city. Even herdsmen in Tibet live in single family houses. I don't know why you feel superior.


A village of Han nationality in the East:

The village of Tibetan herdsmen:

 

[beijingwalker]

In China, single family housing is also adopted in rural areas with small population. But the price of these houses is lower than that of urban apartments.

And many rural areas are less than an hour's drive from the city.

These single family houses are not expensive. What is really expensive is the land in the city. Even herdsmen in Tibet live in single family houses. I don't know why you feel superior.


A village of Han nationality in the East:
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The village of Tibetan herdsmen:
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Or poverty alleviation relocation people, the poorest in China now live in single houses, cause they have lots of lands

South Tibet relocation, near Indian border

 

[MH.Yang]

Yeah, anything with more than few thousands in North America are considered cities. In China, I think small cities are suppose to have population of at least 100000, anything below that are classified as towns, boroughs and villages respectively.

The smallest city in China is Langxi County, a fifth tier city with 311500 people.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

These single family houses are not expensive. What is really expensive is the land in the city. Even herdsmen in Tibet live in single family houses. I don't know why you feel superior.

The only thing superior is our comprehension abilities. Since the Chinese members here have repeatedly shown zero comprehension of what the American public want in housing even when I post it over and over and over.

Please repeat this to get a grasp of the facts:

The US is not China. China is not the US.
The US is not China. China is not the US.
The US is not China. China is not the US.
The US is not China. China is not the US.
The US is not China. China is not the US.

Some of the things you like...we don't like...and some of what we like...you don't like.
Wow how hard is this to comprehend???

Around 120 years ago Americans were happy living in dense cities (about 30% did)..however attitudes changed after WW2 when Americans started making enough income to be more self-reliant. Now it is down to more like 10% living in dense cities..and even then I wouldn't call them dense. LA is nowhere close to Chicago or NYC. 76% of LA is zoned for single family housing.

https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o

80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS PREFER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP​

I'm struggling to figure out what part of the above sentence are you guys not understanding? i've posted it like 5 times and you still can't grasp it. You keep going back to how Americans should live in dense old cities.