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Muslims -- India's new 'untouchables'

The condition of the country's Muslims has deteriorated, and the world has overlooked the nation's problems.

By Asra Q. Nomani

December 1, 2008

The news of the attacks in Mumbai eerily took me back to a quiet morning two years ago when I sat in Room 721 of the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower hotel, reading the morning newspaper, fearing just the kind of violence that has now exploded in the city of my birth. The headlines recounted how the socioeconomic condition of the people of my ancestry, Muslims in India, had fallen below that of the Hindu caste traditionally called "untouchables," according to a government report.

"Muslims are India's new untouchables," I said sadly to my mother, in the room with me. "India is going to explode if it doesn't take care of them." Now, indeed, alas it has. And shattered in the process is the myth of India's thriving secular democracy.

Mumbai police said over the weekend that the only gunman they'd captured during the attacks -- which left nearly 200 dead and more than 300 wounded -- claimed to belong to a Pakistani militant group. But even if the trouble was imported, the violence will most certainly turn a spotlight of suspicion on Muslims in India. Already, my relatives are hunkered down for a sectarian backlash they expect from anti-terrorism agencies, police and angry Hindu fundamentalists.

India, long championed as a model of pluralism, used to be an example of how Muslims can coexist and thrive even as a minority population. My extended family prospered as part of an educated, middle class. My parents, who settled in the United States in the 1960s when my father pursued a doctorate at Rutgers University, were part of India's successful diaspora. I love India, and on that trip, I wanted to show it off to my son, Shibli, then age 4.

But on that visit, across India from Mumbai to the southern state of Tamil Nadu and north to Lucknow, the hub of Muslim culture, I was deeply saddened. Talking to vegetable vendors, artisans and businessmen, I heard about how the condition of Muslims had deteriorated. They had become largely disenfranchised, poor, jobless and uneducated. Their tales echoed those I'd heard on previous trips, when my extended family recounted their humiliating experiences with bureaucratic, housing, job and educational discrimination.

Indeed, the government report I read about in the newspapers two years ago acknowledged that Muslims in India had become "backward." "Fearing for their security," the report said, "Muslims are increasingly resorting to living in ghettos around the country." Branding of Muslims as anti-national, terrorists and agents of Pakistan "has a depressing effect on their psyche," the report said, noting Muslims live in "a sense of despair and suspicion."

According to the report, produced by a committee led by a former Indian chief justice, Rajender Sachar, Muslims were now worse off than the Dalit caste, or those called untouchables. Some 52% of Muslim men were unemployed, compared with 47% of Dalit men. Among Muslim women, 91% were unemployed, compared with 77% of Dalit women. Almost half of Muslims over the age of 46 couldn't read or write. While making up 11% of the population, Muslims accounted for 40% of India's prison population. Meanwhile, they held less than 5% of government jobs.

The Sachar committee report recommended creating a commission to remedy the systemic discrimination and promote affirmative-action programs. So far, very few of the recommendations have been put in place.

Since reading the report, I have feared that Islamic militancy would be born out of such despair. Even if last week's terrorist plot was hatched outside India, a cycle of sectarian violence could break out in the country and push some disenfranchised Muslim youth to join militant groups using hot-button issues like Israel and Kashmir as inspiration.

What has irked me these last years is how the world has glossed over India's problems. In 2006, for instance, former U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen, whose Cohen Group invests heavily in India, said the U.S. and India were "perfect partners" because of their "multiethnic and secular democracies." When I asked to interview Cohen about the socioeconomic condition of Muslims, his public relations staffer said that conversation was too "in the weeds." But, to me, the condition of Muslims needs frank and open discussion if there is to be any hope of stemming Islamic radicalism and realizing true secular democracy in the country.

India's 150 million Muslims represent the second-largest Muslim population in the world, smaller only than Indonesia's 190 million Muslims. That is just bigger than Pakistan's 140 million Muslims or the entire population of Arab Muslims, which numbers about 140 million. U.S. intelligence reports continually warn that economic, social and political discontent are catalysts for radicalism, so we would be naive to continue to ignore this potential threat to the national security of not just India but the United States.

Throughout my 2006 journey, I found the idea of India's potential for danger unavoidable. On one leg, my son tucked safely in bed with my mother in our Taj hotel room, I went out to watch the filming of "A Mighty Heart," the movie about the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl by Muslim militants in Pakistan. When the location scouts needed to replicate the treacherous streets of Karachi's militant Islamist culture, they didn't have to go far. They found the perfect spot in a poor Muslim neighborhood of Mumbai.

Asra Q. Nomani is the author of "Standing Alone: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam."
 
Muslims in India seem to be stuck in a timewarp, isolating themselves from mainstream society and refusing to open up to new ideas.

This isn't just a modern thing - it has been happening ever since the decline of Islamic rule in India. The hindu castes (first the upper ones, and slowly trickling down) shed their old ideas and accepted the new order, whereas muslims are still reluctant to do the same.

I remember a magazine article about Lucknow, where they interviewed the grandson of one of the erstwhile Nawabs. Guess what the poor chap does to earn a living - he sells peanuts on the roadside.
He told the reporter that he still received his privy purse - some few hundred rupees a month, which had been a princely sum in 1950, but its not enough to buy a meal today.

Another reason is that most of the Muslim elite - the leadership - migrated to Pakistan after partition. Most of the royalty, the heredity, went over and assumed prominent positions across the border. This left muslim society in India leaderless and without vision.

Of course, the hostility between the two nations also often translates into hostility towards the muslims or hindus depending on which side of the border you are on.
 
India's Muslims are doing better then Pakistani muslims.

A lot of muslims have made it to the top of their professions, and we didn’t face any bias. Bollywood’s most successful actors and actresses came from the muslim community not because Bollywood reserved 50% seats for muslims, but for the on-screen magic of those actors. India’s Cricket and Hockey teams included muslim sportsmen not because there was a muslim quota for sports but because of the athletic abilities of those sportsmen. Mohammad Rafi became India’s greatest singing voice not because he was a muslim but for his vocal talents. Alla Rakha became India’s greatest Tabla virtuoso not because he was a muslim, but for his artistry. Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Kalam became presidents not because they were muslims, but for their wisdom.

A lot of muslims have shot right to the top in India. The world’s most famous muslim actors are Indians. The world’s richest muslim billionaire enterpreneur is an Indian. On the popular singing contest shows on TV, Indians vote for Pakistan’s Amanat Ali and Bikaner’s Raja Hasan not because they are muslims but because they sing so darn well.

So stop complaining. India’s 150 million muslims are fortunate to live in a democracy unlike their muslim brothers and sisters in other nations. India is just as much their homeland as it is for its Hindus and Christians and Jains and Sikhs and Buddhists and Jews. But India is pacing fast towards a post-modernisation, post-globalisation era. And any community that wants to have good representation in places that matter, needs to shed its own prejudices, and dive headfirst into modern education and university learning. That is the only way to get more Kalams and Zakir Hussains and Azim Premjis.

Azim premji is a muslim and the chairman and ceo of wipro, whose annual turnover is greater than the turnover of the whole of Pakistan.
 
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Is that true?

Please keep in mind that in times of crises in India, Muslims are feeling the heat from the majority of Indian society and are stepping up to glorify the motherland in exchange for a few weeks of no riots and sparse killings.
 
India's Muslims are doing better then Pakistani muslims.

A lot of muslims have made it to the top of their professions, and we didn’t face any bias. Bollywood’s most successful actors and actresses came from the muslim community not because Bollywood reserved 50% seats for muslims, but for the on-screen magic of those actors. India’s Cricket and Hockey teams included muslim sportsmen not because there was a muslim quota for sports but because of the athletic abilities of those sportsmen. Mohammad Rafi became India’s greatest singing voice not because he was a muslim but for his vocal talents. Alla Rakha became India’s greatest Tabla virtuoso not because he was a muslim, but for his artistry. Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Kalam became presidents not because they were muslims, but for their wisdom.

A lot of muslims have shot right to the top in India. The world’s most famous muslim actors are Indians. The world’s richest muslim billionaire enterpreneur is an Indian. On the popular singing contest shows on TV, Indians vote for Pakistan’s Amanat Ali and Bikaner’s Raja Hasan not because they are muslims but because they sing so darn well.

So stop complaining. India’s 150 million muslims are fortunate to live in a democracy unlike their muslim brothers and sisters in other nations. India is just as much their homeland as it is for its Hindus and Christians and Jains and Sikhs and Buddhists and Jews. But India is pacing fast towards a post-modernisation, post-globalisation era. And any community that wants to have good representation in places that matter, needs to shed its own prejudices, and dive headfirst into modern education and university learning. That is the only way to get more Kalams and Zakir Hussains and Azim Premjis.

Azim premji is a muslim and the chairman and ceo of wipro, whose annual turnover is greater than the turnover of the whole of Pakistan.

You are right i herd wipro turn over is bigger then USA i remmeber reading in zaheerkhan post that wipro just baught out pentagon and are in the process of buying out kremlin.
gerorge bush brings him coffee in the morning while putin is rubbing his shoulders :rofl:
 
India's Muslims are doing better then Pakistani muslims.

A lot of muslims have made it to the top of their professions, and we didn’t face any bias. Bollywood’s most successful actors and actresses came from the muslim community not because Bollywood reserved 50% seats for muslims, but for the on-screen magic of those actors. India’s Cricket and Hockey teams included muslim sportsmen not because there was a muslim quota for sports but because of the athletic abilities of those sportsmen. Mohammad Rafi became India’s greatest singing voice not because he was a muslim but for his vocal talents. Alla Rakha became India’s greatest Tabla virtuoso not because he was a muslim, but for his artistry. Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Kalam became presidents not because they were muslims, but for their wisdom.

A lot of muslims have shot right to the top in India. The world’s most famous muslim actors are Indians. The world’s richest muslim billionaire enterpreneur is an Indian. On the popular singing contest shows on TV, Indians vote for Pakistan’s Amanat Ali and Bikaner’s Raja Hasan not because they are muslims but because they sing so darn well.

So stop complaining. India’s 150 million muslims are fortunate to live in a democracy unlike their muslim brothers and sisters in other nations. India is just as much their homeland as it is for its Hindus and Christians and Jains and Sikhs and Buddhists and Jews. But India is pacing fast towards a post-modernisation, post-globalisation era. And any community that wants to have good representation in places that matter, needs to shed its own prejudices, and dive headfirst into modern education and university learning. That is the only way to get more Kalams and Zakir Hussains and Azim Premjis.

Azim premji is a muslim and the chairman and ceo of wipro, whose annual turnover is greater than the turnover of the whole of Pakistan.

Indian software company Wipro reported a 61 percent rise in third-quarter profit as it added new clients and made improvements in its pricing structure.

Net income under U.S. accounting rules rose to 4.27 billion rupees ($98 million) in the three months ended Dec. 31, from 2.66 billion rupees ($61 billion) a year earlier, slightly higher than analysts expected. Revenues rose 34 percent in the period.

Wipro said it was able to charge new clients more for higher-margin services. The company added 26 clients in the quarter at the unit serving customers outside Asia-Pacific, boosting sales to 20.9 billion rupees ($479 million) from 15.6 billion rupees ($357 million) a year earlier.

However, gains from price increases were offset by increasing salaries and a huge turnover in staff in its business process outsourcing (BPO) division.

The company continues to use currency hedging to offset the rising rupee but said the rupee's rise against the dollar remains a challenge.

"Looking forward, the environment we see is one of strong volume growth with prices moving in a narrow band," Wipro Chairman Azim Premji said. “The rupee appreciation will pose an additional challenge in sustaining profitability.”

Wipro expects fourth-quarter revenue to rise to $370 million from last quarter's $367 million.

Wipro added 2,274 employees at the unit serving customers outside Asia-Pacific in the quarter, bringing its total workforce to 39,337.

Wipro’s larger rivals Tata Consultancy and Infosys this month both reported profit gains of more than 50 percent for the quarter.

Tata Consultancy's net income rose 54 percent on sales 38 percent higher. Infosys said profit rose 52 percent from a year earlier as sales gained 49 percent to 18.8 billion rupees.

Yeah wipro and other companies are bigger then PAkistan GDP if thats whats going to take to get ya off that Tobacy we will admit it.
 
You are right i herd wipro turn over is bigger then USA i remmeber reading in zaheerkhan post that wipro just baught out pentagon and are in the process of buying out kremlin.
gerorge bush brings him coffee in the morning while putin is rubbing his shoulders :rofl:


and obamaa too will take his oath from the CEO of wipro....:woot::rofl::rofl:
 
and obamaa too will take his oath from the CEO of wipro....:woot::rofl::rofl:

From this, it is clear how some of the posters make fun of fellow muslim who is a successful person and role model to their community and the country, only because he is from India. All this facade of 'Indian muslims being treated as dirt' is nothing but hogwash. You try to show India in bad light regarding muslims not because you love fellow muslims but only for the heck of showing India bad.

Some people here should always look in the mirror every morning and ask the question that how you are treating fellow muslims like Shias and Ahmadiyyas before pointing fingers at others.
 
From this, it is clear how some of the posters make fun of fellow muslim who is a successful person and role model to their community and the country, only because he is from India. All this facade of 'Indian muslims being treated as dirt' is nothing but hogwash. You try to show India in bad light regarding muslims not because you love fellow muslims but only for the heck of showing India bad.

Some people here should always look in the mirror every morning and ask the question that how you are treating fellow muslims like Shias and Ahmadiyyas before pointing fingers at others.

ohh please!!!! cut the crap...it was pointed towards one of your fellow indian who claimed that wipro's profit is more than the GDP of Pakistan... y dont you try and educate your countrymen!!!!

ohh i am sorry...i forgot....he is watching too much of india today and aajtak!!!!:chilli::chilli::flame:
 
Indian software company Wipro reported a 61 percent rise in third-quarter profit as it added new clients and made improvements in its pricing structure.

Net income under U.S. accounting rules rose to 4.27 billion rupees ($98 million) in the three months ended Dec. 31, from 2.66 billion rupees ($61 billion) a year earlier, slightly higher than analysts expected. Revenues rose 34 percent in the period.

Wipro said it was able to charge new clients more for higher-margin services. The company added 26 clients in the quarter at the unit serving customers outside Asia-Pacific, boosting sales to 20.9 billion rupees ($479 million) from 15.6 billion rupees ($357 million) a year earlier.

However, gains from price increases were offset by increasing salaries and a huge turnover in staff in its business process outsourcing (BPO) division.

The company continues to use currency hedging to offset the rising rupee but said the rupee's rise against the dollar remains a challenge.

"Looking forward, the environment we see is one of strong volume growth with prices moving in a narrow band," Wipro Chairman Azim Premji said. “The rupee appreciation will pose an additional challenge in sustaining profitability.”

Wipro expects fourth-quarter revenue to rise to $370 million from last quarter's $367 million.

Wipro added 2,274 employees at the unit serving customers outside Asia-Pacific in the quarter, bringing its total workforce to 39,337.

Wipro’s larger rivals Tata Consultancy and Infosys this month both reported profit gains of more than 50 percent for the quarter.

Tata Consultancy's net income rose 54 percent on sales 38 percent higher. Infosys said profit rose 52 percent from a year earlier as sales gained 49 percent to 18.8 billion rupees.

Yeah wipro and other companies are bigger then PAkistan GDP if thats whats going to take to get ya off that Tobacy we will admit it.

Give Zaheer a proper and fitting reply Cheetah , don't just copy and paste Wipro related facts. Give us the name of a Pakistani Muslim who has made it a big as Shahrukh Khan , Dr. Abdul Kalam and Azim Premji . I eagerly await your answer.


Oh and Many happy returns of the Day Raheel , have a great day
 
Yeah wipro and other companies are bigger then PAkistan GDP if thats whats going to take to get ya off that Tobacy we will admit it.

Sorry to ask you this, does this GDP also includes the aid from IMF, Asian Development Bank, World Bank, CSF, US Aid etc etc. If that is the case, I think Wipro has indeed more GDP than Pakistan.
 
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