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After the nauseating shock of last Friday’s Bourke Street attack, the political aftermath played out in familiar dance steps.

The Prime Minister and others accused Islamic leaders of not doing enough to weed out radicals in their midst.

Some Islamic leaders and sympathisers accused the Prime Minister of being a racist dog whistling, insisting there’s nothing to see here, the fact Hassan Khalif Shire Ali was a Muslim being mere coincidence.

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Flowers left outside Pellegrini's in Bourke Street in memory of attack victim Sisto Malaspina.CREDIT: TIMNA JACKS



I want the dance to stop, at least.

Because we cannot immediately stop the terror that killed Sisto Malaspina.

Allow me a moment’s digression to add to Melbourne’s monument of grief for this beautiful man. I wandered into Pellegrini’s about a year ago, ordered a long macchiato, then realised I had no cash in my wallet. “No problem bella,” Sisto sang. “You pay me back later.” I never paid you back, Sisto.

We cannot magically arrest the dark mania that propelled the trio found guilty of plotting a Christmas Day massacre in Melbourne’s CBD in 2016. But must the rest of us keep spinning in the vortex of terror’s toxic energy?

Scott Morrison said some Muslim leaders “clearly” don’t know enough about radical “infiltrators”in their fold and urged them not to “look the other way”.

Can you turn a blind eye to something you don’t really know is there? He did not name the allegedly incurious imams or community leaders citing the “cone of silence of the investigation.”

So Morrison’s familiar accusation of complacency in parts of the Muslim community hovers, vague yet potent because there’s votes to be harvested from fuelling suspicion and fear.

Presumably that’s why Victorian Opposition leader Matthew Guy pledged in Bourke Street’s aftermath that under a Coalition government terror suspects would be banned from Melbourne’s CBD.

I say “presumably” because Guy’s proposal strains logic. If an individual is dangerous enough to warrant banning from the CBD, why should we tolerate that would-be terrorist roaming Victoria’s other crowded places?

But Morrison has some willing tango partners in what we lazily call “the Muslim community”, whose obfuscating response to his provocation almost proves the charge against them.

Let me stress only some: local Somali leaders called Shire Ali’s actions terrorism, as did a number of Islamic groups I’d never heard of. Still, the “some” includes prominent Islamic spokespeople.

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Prime Minister Scott Morrison visits Pellegrini's cafe in the wake of the Bourke Street attacks. CREDIT: THE AGE

I can almost excuse Shire Ali’s grieving family for coming out with the obscenity that his knifing passersby and igniting gas cylinders in his car on Bourke Street during Friday rush hour was a “cry for help”.

I cannot excuse otherwise intelligent commentators promoting the tired and disingenuous argument that lone-wolf terrorists must be of sound mind to be worthy of the label.

Since declaring the caliphate in 2014, Islamic State chiefs have called on Muslims in the West to “kill the infidels” by whatever means possible – a small number of foot soldiers responded to the call, the common denominator between them not good mental health but what Morrison accurately described as “the radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam".

Yet some insist Shire Ali was just a troubled soul and not an Islamic extremist.

“There is no evidence that this individual’s religious beliefs were a causal factor (in the violence),” said the Islamic Council of Victoria, described on its website as “the peak Muslim body representing an estimated 200,000 Victorian Muslims and over 60 member societies”.

That’s “no evidence”, apart from Shire Ali chatting to convicted terrorists, having relatives known to counter-terrorism authorities, being placed on a terror watchlist and seeing his passport cancelled on concerns he’d join Islamic State in Syria.

Other facts about his associations are reportedly subject to court suppression orders.

It’s hard to tell how many people the presumptuously named Muslims Australia actually represents, but they too lamented “that when a Muslim commits such acts then all other possible factors are either downplayed or ignored. This is a privilege that is extended in most other incidents to such perpetrators.”

This is nonsense. A Muslim with a knife – and even with a car packed with gas bottles – does not a terrorist make.

A Muslim with a knife and gas bottles with Shire Ali’s security profile probably does a terrorist make, just as the white supremacists who have acted out their hateful ideology in various countries shooting up mosques, synagogues, multicultural gatherings and black churches are unambiguously terrorists.

In an interview with SBS Arabic24, Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed rightly pointed out that religious leaders like himself are targets for extremists.

He also said: “Linking crime to religion is what frustrates us the most and the duty of politicians is to defuse conflicts rather than inflame them. We should not use the word ‘terror’ to intimidate people the way other dictatorships do to oppress their own people.”

While some defensiveness on the Grand Mufti’s part is understandable, his insistence that Shire Ali’s actions are entirely severable from religion, however warped the Somali’s interpretation of religion, can be read as negating the Islamist threat.

“Terror” is not just a word but a reality. Not just a tool dictators use to intimidate their own people, but a weapon of intimidation religious zealots use against free societies.

I’m not implying these imams or Muslim advocates detect troubled individuals in their orbit and choose not to inform the authorities about those ticking bombs, or that they condone terrorism.

I share their indignation at the veiled suggestion that the community is collectively responsible for the actions of depraved individuals.

But they must stop denying a problem exists.

Julie Szego is an Age columnist.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...s-need-to-acknowledge-it-20181116-p50gh5.html

Muslims are a disgusting joke, calling Aussies racist and then saying this terrorist piece of shit had mental problems if Muslims hate Australia so much they should **** off to their grand, beautiful Muslims countries. Wonder why they all come running to Australia or seek asylum in Australia.
 
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After the nauseating shock of last Friday’s Bourke Street attack, the political aftermath played out in familiar dance steps.

The Prime Minister and others accused Islamic leaders of not doing enough to weed out radicals in their midst.

Some Islamic leaders and sympathisers accused the Prime Minister of being a racist dog whistling, insisting there’s nothing to see here, the fact Hassan Khalif Shire Ali was a Muslim being mere coincidence.

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Flowers left outside Pellegrini's in Bourke Street in memory of attack victim Sisto Malaspina.CREDIT: TIMNA JACKS



I want the dance to stop, at least.

Because we cannot immediately stop the terror that killed Sisto Malaspina.

Allow me a moment’s digression to add to Melbourne’s monument of grief for this beautiful man. I wandered into Pellegrini’s about a year ago, ordered a long macchiato, then realised I had no cash in my wallet. “No problem bella,” Sisto sang. “You pay me back later.” I never paid you back, Sisto.

We cannot magically arrest the dark mania that propelled the trio found guilty of plotting a Christmas Day massacre in Melbourne’s CBD in 2016. But must the rest of us keep spinning in the vortex of terror’s toxic energy?

Scott Morrison said some Muslim leaders “clearly” don’t know enough about radical “infiltrators”in their fold and urged them not to “look the other way”.

Can you turn a blind eye to something you don’t really know is there? He did not name the allegedly incurious imams or community leaders citing the “cone of silence of the investigation.”

So Morrison’s familiar accusation of complacency in parts of the Muslim community hovers, vague yet potent because there’s votes to be harvested from fuelling suspicion and fear.

Presumably that’s why Victorian Opposition leader Matthew Guy pledged in Bourke Street’s aftermath that under a Coalition government terror suspects would be banned from Melbourne’s CBD.

I say “presumably” because Guy’s proposal strains logic. If an individual is dangerous enough to warrant banning from the CBD, why should we tolerate that would-be terrorist roaming Victoria’s other crowded places?

But Morrison has some willing tango partners in what we lazily call “the Muslim community”, whose obfuscating response to his provocation almost proves the charge against them.

Let me stress only some: local Somali leaders called Shire Ali’s actions terrorism, as did a number of Islamic groups I’d never heard of. Still, the “some” includes prominent Islamic spokespeople.

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Prime Minister Scott Morrison visits Pellegrini's cafe in the wake of the Bourke Street attacks. CREDIT: THE AGE

I can almost excuse Shire Ali’s grieving family for coming out with the obscenity that his knifing passersby and igniting gas cylinders in his car on Bourke Street during Friday rush hour was a “cry for help”.

I cannot excuse otherwise intelligent commentators promoting the tired and disingenuous argument that lone-wolf terrorists must be of sound mind to be worthy of the label.

Since declaring the caliphate in 2014, Islamic State chiefs have called on Muslims in the West to “kill the infidels” by whatever means possible – a small number of foot soldiers responded to the call, the common denominator between them not good mental health but what Morrison accurately described as “the radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam".

Yet some insist Shire Ali was just a troubled soul and not an Islamic extremist.

“There is no evidence that this individual’s religious beliefs were a causal factor (in the violence),” said the Islamic Council of Victoria, described on its website as “the peak Muslim body representing an estimated 200,000 Victorian Muslims and over 60 member societies”.

That’s “no evidence”, apart from Shire Ali chatting to convicted terrorists, having relatives known to counter-terrorism authorities, being placed on a terror watchlist and seeing his passport cancelled on concerns he’d join Islamic State in Syria.

Other facts about his associations are reportedly subject to court suppression orders.

It’s hard to tell how many people the presumptuously named Muslims Australia actually represents, but they too lamented “that when a Muslim commits such acts then all other possible factors are either downplayed or ignored. This is a privilege that is extended in most other incidents to such perpetrators.”

This is nonsense. A Muslim with a knife – and even with a car packed with gas bottles – does not a terrorist make.

A Muslim with a knife and gas bottles with Shire Ali’s security profile probably does a terrorist make, just as the white supremacists who have acted out their hateful ideology in various countries shooting up mosques, synagogues, multicultural gatherings and black churches are unambiguously terrorists.

In an interview with SBS Arabic24, Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed rightly pointed out that religious leaders like himself are targets for extremists.

He also said: “Linking crime to religion is what frustrates us the most and the duty of politicians is to defuse conflicts rather than inflame them. We should not use the word ‘terror’ to intimidate people the way other dictatorships do to oppress their own people.”

While some defensiveness on the Grand Mufti’s part is understandable, his insistence that Shire Ali’s actions are entirely severable from religion, however warped the Somali’s interpretation of religion, can be read as negating the Islamist threat.

“Terror” is not just a word but a reality. Not just a tool dictators use to intimidate their own people, but a weapon of intimidation religious zealots use against free societies.

I’m not implying these imams or Muslim advocates detect troubled individuals in their orbit and choose not to inform the authorities about those ticking bombs, or that they condone terrorism.

I share their indignation at the veiled suggestion that the community is collectively responsible for the actions of depraved individuals.

But they must stop denying a problem exists.

Julie Szego is an Age columnist.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...s-need-to-acknowledge-it-20181116-p50gh5.html

Muslims are a disgusting joke, calling Aussies racist and then saying this terrorist piece of shit had mental problems if Muslims hate Australia so much they should **** off to their grand, beautiful Muslims countries. Wonder why they all come running to Australia or seek asylum in Australia.
terrorism by muslims is guirella war against state terrorism by non muslims.
hamas is in response to israeli terrorism.
so is hezbullah.
there were no terrorists in iraq and syria prior to US state terrorism against iraq.
In afghanistan, Taliban are fighting against US state terrorism against afghanistan.
 
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terrorism by muslims is guirella war against state terrorism by non muslims.
hamas is in response to israeli terrorism.
so is hezbullah.
there were no terrorists in iraq and syria prior to US state terrorism against iraq.
In afghanistan, Taliban are fighting against US state terrorism against afghanistan.
No bro,the problem is somewhere else .education is needed I mean proper education and stopping them from having their own ghettos and most importantly having only babies for whom you can provide a quality life instead of breading like rabbits.
 
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No bro,the problem is somewhere else .education is needed I mean proper education and stopping them from having their own ghettos and most importantly having only babies for whom you can provide a quality life instead of breading like rabbits.

While you are on that topic and enlightening everyone how education is to be imprated.

May I point out that it is breeding and not breading as you have written.

It could be breeding indian way, i.e hump what moves and rape is culture.

and what is the indian population now ?
 
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1.3 billion bro,thanks for correcting though

so how are bhaias of UP .. and those biharis multiplying .. tell us about it.

tell us, how many kids are stacked on a motorcycle or in that little maruti in andhra ..
 
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so how are bhaias of UP .. and those biharis multiplying .. tell us about it.

tell us, how many kids are stacked on a motorcycle or in that little maruti in andhra ..
I knew you would come up with something like this .I would say the same thing to our Indians too when they start blowing themselfs up to kill others in the name of religion specially for some incident which happens half way around the world.i will call them terrorists too bro
 
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I knew you would come up with something like this .I would say the same thing to our Indians too when they start blowing themselfs up to kill others in the name of religion specially for some incident which happens half way around the world.i will call them terrorists too bro

Why blow things up when you can simply rape it.

Btw, these bombings happen once every few years. Rapes in India happen every few minutes.

So... You have that speach ready to castrate Indian men?
 
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Why blow things up when you can simply rape it.

Btw, these bombings happen once every few years. Rapes in India happen every few minutes.

So... You have that speach ready to castrate Indian men?
I am against rape and rapist too .I am all for hanging then by the tip of their d!** Till they die .you will not see me or anyone else defending the rapist like some defending the terrorist .how hard is it to call a terrorist a terrorist .
 
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Drumming the tune for his racist base. Nothing new. Problems won't get resolved by trying to paint with a broad brush.

West is in decline, this is proof.
 
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Us Muslims need to watch out for Khawarij infiltrators in our mosques.

Khawarij have always been known for radicalism and terrorism.

Muslim lands and Non Muslim lands are not spared from their chaos and destruction.

terrorism by muslims is guirella war against state terrorism by non muslims.
hamas is in response to israeli terrorism.
so is hezbullah.
there were no terrorists in iraq and syria prior to US state terrorism against iraq.
In afghanistan, Taliban are fighting against US state terrorism against afghanistan.

I agree USA invading Iraq and Afghanistan has to be the biggest mistakes in history.

So many lives lost and a country destroyed which allowed terrorist groups to appear.

Now libya is also destroyed.
 
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Us Muslims need to watch out for Khawarij infiltrators in our mosques.

Khawarij have always been known for radicalism and terrorism.

Muslim lands and Non Muslim lands are not spared from their chaos and destruction.



I agree USA invading Iraq and Afghanistan has to be the biggest mistakes in history.

So many lives lost and a country destroyed which allowed terrorist groups to appear.

Now libya is also destroyed.

Not just Khawarij, but agents, manipulators, entrapment, spies, and cults like Ahmadiyyas, etc.

These battles are for the minds of people, and the Muslim mind is the one these evil people/governments/militaries want to subjugate, manipulate, and neutralize the most.

We are surrounded by enemies on all sides, internal and external, however the solution is available in our faith: Quran and Sunnah.

Keep a level head, stay out of poisonous hate politics, and be patient as victory is coming.
 
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The non-Muslims denying Anti-Muslim propaganda exists need to acknowledge it. Brandishing the religion of the Muslim culprits in media is all done with an agenda.

A fag goes on a killing spree at a gay club in Orlando and for killing 49 people, the first thing brought before the world is his "Religion".

A non-Muslim kills 59 people at Las Vegas and they paint him & his motive as a mystery
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:lol:
 
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Totally concur..
 
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