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Mushy "I will go back" - This corrupted guy won't give up.

Remember remember the year of 2005, The bajaur madrassah attack, 80 innocent kids killed, Musharraf openly admitted, they were terrorists, and cobra gunships killed them, larer it was turned out to be a DRONE STRIKE and terrorists killed were kids... So don't forget drone strikes started in whose period!
 
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When we compare a leader we cannot do it in a vacuum. Of course very few will match up to an imaginary ideal. After all they are human. Mush is certainly or was better than the current trolls we have.

Having said that in my opinion he was too soft. When he first cam in power he should have eliminated all the feudals and corrupt including BB and NS etc in one go. After all he was popular when he came in and people had had enough of the PNA and PPP both having failed multiple times.

His biggest error was to succumb to American pressure in introducing democracy too soon and doing a deal with BB. After all in Spain they had a dictator for 40 plus year and no one put pressure for democracy. This whole push for democracy in Pakistan by the west was to destabalise and make it easier for west to get their way after all BB had promised them hot pursuit in America in return for their support.

It's ironic that although he was a dictator he was not ruthless enough and was too democratic lol
 
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When we compare a leader we cannot do it in a vacuum. Of course very few will match up to an imaginary ideal. After all they are human. Mush is certainly or was better than the current trolls we have.

Having said that in my opinion he was too soft. When he first cam in power he should have eliminated all the feudals and corrupt including BB and NS etc in one go. After all he was popular when he came in and people had had enough of the PNA and PPP both having failed multiple times.

His biggest error was to succumb to American pressure in introducing democracy too soon and doing a deal with BB. After all in Spain they had a dictator for 40 plus year and no one put pressure for democracy. This whole push for democracy in Pakistan by the west was to destabalise and make it easier for west to get their way after all BB had promised them hot pursuit in America in return for their support.

It's ironic that although he was a dictator he was not ruthless enough and was too democratic lol

Agreed to your post Bro. As for the bolded part, it's easier said then done. We do not need no political ''martyrs''.
 
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50 reasons Pakistan needs Musharraf

His opinions and speeches have led most of his opponents to start wondering what he’s been smoking!

However, these are just some of the achievements of the man when he was in and out of uniform.

1.****** Nine world class engineering universities were developed and 18 public universities further developed.

2.****** Pakistan was ranked third in world banking profitability.

3.****** The IT industry was valued at around $2 billion, including $1 billion in exports and employed around 90,000 professionals.

4.****** The CNG sector attracted over $70 billion in investment in the past five years and created 45,000 jobs.

5.****** The telecommunications sector attracted around $10 billion in investments and created over 1.3 million jobs.

6.****** Industrial parks were set up throughout the country for the first time.

7.****** Mega projects such as the Saindak, Rekodiq, marble production, coal production, mining and quarrying were pursued.

8.****** Foreign reserves increased from $700 million to $17 billion.

9.****** The Karachi stock market went from 700 points to 15,000 points.

10.** The literacy rate improved by 11 per cent.

11.** Poverty decreased by 10 per cent.

12.** Four dams were built: Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram, and Tangi,

13.** Seven motorways were completed or were under construction,

14.** Gwadar, an advanced sea port, was developed,

15.** 650 kilometres of coastal highways were constructed.

16.** A historic 100% increase in tax collection (amounting to Rs1 trillion) was observed.

17.** Large scale manufacturing was at a 30-year high, and construction at a 17-year high.

18.** Copper and gold deposits were found in Chagai, worth about $600 million annually if sold.

19.** A new oil refinery with the UAE that could process 300,000 oil barrels a day was established.

20.** The industrial sector registered 26 per cent growth.

21.** The economy was the third fastest*growing economy after China and India .

22.** The Institute of Space Technology was established.

23.** Sardar Bahadur Khan Women University Quetta was established.

24.** The University of Science and Technology, Bannu, was established.

25.** The University of Hazara was founded.

26.** The Malakand University in Chakdara was established.

27.** The University of Gujrat was established

28.** The Virtual University of Pakistan was established

29.** Sarhad University of IT in Peshawar was established

30.** The National Law University in Islamabad was established

31.** The Media University in Islamabad was established

32.** University of Education* in Lahore was established

33.** Lasbela University of Marine Sciences, Baluchistan, was established

34.** Baluchistan University of IT & Management, Quetta (2002)

35.** The Pakistan economy was worth $ 160 billion in 2007

36.** GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) was $ 475.5 billion in 2007

37.** The GDP per Capita in 2007 was $ 1000

38.** Revenue collection in 2007/08 was Rs1.002 billion

39.** Exports in 2007were worth $18.5 billion

40.** Textile exports in 2007 were worth *$11.2 billion

41.** Foreign direct investment in 2007 was $8.5 billion

42.** Debt servicing in 2007 was 26 per cent of the GDP

43.** The poverty level in 2007 was 24 per cent

44.** The literacy rate in 2007 was 53 per cent

45.** *Pakistan development programs in 2007 were valued at Rs520 billion

46.** The Karachi stock exchange in 2007 was $70 billion at 15,000 points

47.** *Exports in 2007: $18.5 billion

48.** Pakistan now has a total of 245,682 educational institutions in all categories, including 164,579 in the public sector and 81,103 in the private sector, according to the National Education Census (NEC-2005).

49.** There are now more than 5,000 Pakistanis doing PhDs in foreign countries on scholarship. 300 Pakistanis receive PhD degrees every year, in 1999, the number was just 20.

50.** In total, 99,319 educational institutions increased in Musharraf’s era!

This was some of the good Musharraf delivered to Pakistan during his martially-democratic rule from 1999 to 2008. Strange how quickly we forget his foreign policy efforts, which helped elevate the image of Pakistan globally added acceptance value to our green passports. Even the Indians next door were ready to discuss Kashmir for a solution and praised the man for his sincerity, honesty and amicable handling of the issues.

Of course, he has the right to tell his opponents, “tameez say baat karo, warna munh toor jawab millayga” and it is true that most of them are keeping quiet since he said this in a recent *interview with Express Tv.
For those, who don't hve any, eyes & ears, with love!
 
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^^ Its like saying bring back Hossni Mubarak for Egypt... :whistle:
 
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- Kargil standoff ( We lost and he ruined Kashmir deal during Nawaz-Vajpay agreement process)
- Getting American aid for trading innocent people (This is stated in his book)
- Nawab Akbar Bughti Murder (Creates Baluchistan unrest)
- Makes MQM powerful in Karachi (Violence increases)
- Sends AQ-Khan to Jail
- Red Mosque violence. (P.S he used phosphorous bombs on his own people)
- Inflation rate increase
- PIA near Bankrupt
- Railways near Bankrupt
- Attempted to sell Steel Mills to an Indian Businessman. (Later stopped by SC)
- Rupee Depreciation
- U.S Drone attacks
- Lets India build dams on a disputed territory. (Later we now realize that our water is being blocked)
- Benazir Security and Murder
- SC changes (He attempted to bring his own puppet judiciary)
- Accepts 58/2B
- Brings in incompetent Prime Ministers like Jamali, Shaukat Aziz, Chaudhary Shujaht, Somroo, etc...
- U.S Airbases in Pakistan
- Supply line to U.S through Afghanistan was Free of cost

There are tons of things Musharraf started that Pakistan now has to suffer. The Economy and stuff you are taking about is a fail. Almost everything is dependent on U.S Aid and funny thing is, U.S itself is still our #1 major trading partner. I don't understand why you don't see these things.

There is no development in Pakistan other than the same Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad. What did we achieve? New Cell Phones and New Cars? lol.
Electricity issues has always been there. There was nothing he did to improve this. Last i checked, 55% of the whole country's is stolen by Karachi.

Who could be a big looser than him? He is the same dude who refused to fight in the 65 war and fled to Karachi soon after.

Musharraf was not macro managing stuff as you have said but:

- Kargil standoff was the most brilliant plan that could have devised. If only the political leadership had guts, Kashmir problem would have been resolved once and for all, through dialogue. Kargil was supposed to force India to dialogues for a permanent solution.
- Akber Bugti (For God's sake dude, stop using the word Nawab with these scums) started terrorist activities throughout Baluchistan because Musharraf was living up to his word and was providing shelter to the tribes that had been outcast/exiled by Bugti and was giving them their lands back that had been illegally occupied by Bugti. Furthermore, Musharraf was giving development funds to the Government instead of Bugti. Bugti was, like other politicians, an extortionist who had a militia that he was using for anti state activities. He, most likely, committed suicide when he was left with no option but to surrender.
- MQM has always been powerful in Karachi, wake up and realize it for the love of God! Musharraf realized it and gave them power, they gave you security and development. Pick up the acts of violence under MQM (2002-3 to 2007) and compare to the figures of acts of violence later (2008-2012), they have increased atleast 100 times more!
- A.Q. Khan was never sent to jail, he was house arrested and it was the only option that the Government had after North Korea, Iran and Libya had openly stated that they had received Nuclear help from Pakistan. It was either find a scapegoat or have the whole country punished. He was a very smart man really, unlike what you are appearing to be.
- The so called Red Mosque was a building that was inhibited by terrorists who were armed with modern/sophisticated illegal weapons. The structure itself was build illegally on Government land. Anyway, the authorities gave ample time to the occupants to surrender and hundreds of them did...the rest were flushed out after 2 dead lines had been given to them. Terrorists who chose to take on the might of the system were punished as should have been. No phosphorous agents were used, any claim is pure BS.
- Inflation increased? It was actually structure of living that improved. Everybody was better off, nobody was committing suicides because of financial hardships.
- PIA was doing fine. It is bankrupt NOW!
- Railway was doing fine. It is bankrupt NOW!
- Steel Mills privatization process was transparent and open to all international bidders. Steel Mills has been incurring operational losses for many decades now and it was a very good decision to sell it. It should have been sold.
- 7-9 drone attacks on target coordinates provided by PakMil, what's the problem there?
- India has built more DAMS in the past 5 years then it did in the past 20, you want to blame Musharraf for that? Have you any idea of the Indus Water treaty? That treaty was breached by India in 2008/9, after Musharraf.
- Benazir Security & Murder? Should he have provided Benazir with a starwars kind of invisible shield? She had a bullet proof/bomb proof vehicle and hundreds of her jiyalas on top of rangers/police security. She was coaxed into hanging her head out of the sun roof at a very opportune moment.....by whom?
- SC Changes? He merely followed procedure when he received the recommendation by the prime minister against the CJ.
- Where are you even trying to go with 58/2(b)?
- You called Shaukat Aziz a incompetent prime minister, I don't even want to waste my energy here.
- Had no other option post 9/11
- Had no other option post 9/11

You mean Karachi steals 55% of the whole country's electricity? This lie just made me very very angry at you, it is not productive and has not an ounce of truth or intelligence in it.

So he refused to fight in 1965? My God, you are probably insane......infact this post is insane so you are definitely missing some marbles.
 
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He was a sane person, but went crazy in saving his chair. Considering what he did for Pakistan (the positives) I think he should be given another chance since he learned his lessons and won't repeat the same mistakes again and would definitely take us out of the mess he created himself.

He seems to be history, but I personally wish him good luck.
 
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Today you guys are loyal to Musharraf. Tomorrow you will do the same for Zardari. That i can see....
 
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^^ Its like saying bring back Hossni Mubarak for Egypt... :whistle:

No, it's like asking for the return of Qaddafi for Libya!

Oh, now do I need to tell you what Libyans were entitled to under Qadhafi?

He was a sane person, but went crazy in saving his chair. Considering what he did for Pakistan (the positives) I think he should be given another chance since he learned his lessons and won't repeat the same mistakes again and would definitely take us out of the mess he created himself.

He seems to be history, but I personally wish him good luck.

He should never have had shed his uniform. That was his downfall.
 
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Agreed to your post Bro. As for the bolded part, it's easier said then done. We do not need no political ''martyrs''.

They would not have been martyrs. Every country has it's share of blood letting for real change. We need to get rid of those that are born to see Pakistan as a personal cash point machine
 
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isss QAUM kaa kiya hoga jo ek dictator mulk dushman! koo wapas lana chahti hai! FATA,BALOCHISTAN & KARACHI are burning because of his mistakes! drone strikes started because of his decision! sucidie bombings started because of him!

his mistakes of the first decade of the 21st century is the reason why pakistan burns in 2012!
 
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^^ Its like saying bring back Hossni Mubarak for Egypt... :whistle:
2 very different peoples & places, we are talking about?
Bringing musharaf , even Hosni mubarak, still is better thn , wht kind of kaos , we are in now?
Egypt under mubarak , doesn't had any , international enimies, but today they are standing alone?
Same goes to pakistan!
Stupid & jazbati awam playing, in the dirty hands of politicians, CIA paid media, human rights organizations, & civil soceity , crupt & full of vengence judcianry, which can't produce any strong sentences to the, killers terrorists & looters in pakistan, yes we need musharaf back, with a hard stick in his hands.
 
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isss QAUM kaa kiya hoga jo ek dictator mulk dushman! koo wapas lana chahti hai! FATA,BALOCHISTAN & KARACHI are burning because of his mistakes! drone strikes started because of his decision! sucidie bombings started because of him!

his mistakes of the first decade of the 21st century is the reason why pakistan burns in 2012!
Well, again why we go baisd , against a leader, who brought the , so-called democrazy in this country?
Who is not even in the country from the last 5 years, its the democrazly elected govt of pakistan, which couldn't control the situation in , FATA , karachi, baluchistan, mate open up your eyes, & point your finger , in the right direction, & don't you decide our national intersts as a nation , with the biasd feelings of yours, same feelings are the basiSs of the failure , of the democrzy , in. Pakistan?
 
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Today you guys are loyal to Musharraf. Tomorrow you will do the same for Zardari. That i can see....

As you are loyal to a criminal like Nawaz Sharif, A Big No, We have brains ...

They would not have been martyrs. Every country has it's share of blood letting for real change. We need to get rid of those that are born to see Pakistan as a personal cash point machine

Isn't Benazir a ''Shaheed'' after all her famous assurences to Americans. We're talking about politics in 'Pakistan'.
 
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