Musharraf's 'glorious' words about the Constitution of Pakistan

[iLION12345_1]

The current constitution of Pakistan is a joke, and a bad one at that. Maybe it wasn’t one when it was made, but now it has clearly turned into one. None of the people who have lead us even know what the constitution says. None of them follow it. Every time someone talks about the constitution as if it is another commandment from god, I realize that this country will never see the light of day.
So many of the people of Pakistan have turned the religion and the Quran into a joke. And the coming youth will do this even more so because they haven’t been taught right. Do you really think anybody gives a Damn about the constitution except for saying they support it JUST because it’s the constitution? No.

Many Pakistanis have a terrible concept of governance and law and order.
Take it like this; Pakistanis support political parties and go “Mera Leader mera leader”, no matter which party it is, PTI,PMLN,PPP. While in reality they should support the government of Pakistan. No matter who the hell is the leader. Criticize the party when they do something wrong and support them when they do something right. Don’t eat Keeme wale naan and just join a single bandwagon. If any of you have read Sir Syed Ahmed Khan’s Writing named “Apni Madad Aap” (which is a part of the 11th grade textbook in Pakistan), he clearly states that if the people of the country help themselves and are actually good, they can turn a bad government good, but not vice versa.

The constitution is the same. Nobody follows it, it’s a damned joke. When the people are this bad how are some words on a piece of paper gonna fix them? Support what helps the country. Not what you are told is “right” because anyone can say anything. We made this constitution decades ago. What has it done for Pakistan? Nothing. That might be more because it was never followed than because it’s a bad constitution. But the point still stands.

Pakistan is in its current state Not due to its leaders, not due to its constitutions, but only due to its people and until those people are fixed, even good leaders and good constitutions are useless.
As seen with Imran khan and Musharraf, People May have different opinions about them but at least they try, or tried to set the people right. But nothing will come of it with People like this.
The only hope is that people stop complaining and start doing something.

 

[Xestan]

WHich representative. The one who is responsible for division of Pakistan (Bhutto) or the one who were not even favor of creation of Pakistan (Jamiat and other religious parties)?

Dont be deluded. Constitution is important only if its able to protect the rights of the people of the country and not jsut some power group.

If Constitution is no good, what governs us then, the Martial Law? Come up with a better offence against the constitution.

 

[Baba Google]

If you believe on Quran, that is a supreme law and only to be implemented by 'khalifah';

since you are talking about supreme law, the khalifah should also be supreme right?

 

[The Accountant]

If Constitution is no good, what governs us then, the Martial Law? Come up with a better offence against the constitution.

I am not talking about constitution. I am talking about the constitution of 1973 as it is failing miserably and we have to comeup with an alternayive solution.

With respect to martial law i am sure that it is nursery of evils.

1973 constitution was born out from bhutto who himself is creation of martial law.

NS, Zardari and Altaf are also product of Marshal Law.

IK was against marshal law and armed forces but even with his good track record he could not make it or continue without support from rawalpindi.

So we have to get rid of armed forces excess use of power without hurting the feelings of our soldiers who are sacrificing there life for us.

1973 constitution is failing to provide any of this. Whereas corrupt system is supported by current constitution

 

[Xestan]

I am not talking about constitution. I am talking about the constitution of 1973 as it is failing miserably and we have to comeup with an alternayive solution.

With respect to martial law i am sure that it is nursery of evils.

1973 constitution was born out from bhutto who himself is creation of martial law.

NS, Zardari and Altaf are also product of Marshal Law.

IK was against marshal law and armed forces but even with his good track record he could not make it or continue without support from rawalpindi.

So we have to get rid of armed forces excess use of power without hurting the feelings of our soldiers who are sacrificing there life for us.

1973 constitution is failing to provide any of this. Whereas corrupt system is supported by current constitution

So we agree, the change should come through the Parliament.

 

[Baby Leone]

"I think the Constitution is just a piece of paper to be thrown into the dustbin."

he was right about the first part but has done blunder while saying the second part which was totally wrong and insulting seems like he was intoxicated in power.

 

[Baba Google]

The laws against Ahmadis & the blasphemy laws should be stricken down as unconstitutional by the SC

why am I not aware of such laws against Ahmadis? I mean, I understand we are not open minded with regards to Ahmadis and their beliefs but we also have laws against them? I didn't know, can you explain?

And about blasphemy laws, I think its a Islamic jurisprudence issue and it depends on the Islamic school you follow and it also depends on which Islamic school the state that we live in represents, for example I am a follower of school of Ahlul-bayt and in the jurisprudence I follow, Ali ibn Abi Talib has the highest rank among all sahabas of Prophet Muhammad and lowering the rank of Ali ibn Abi Talib or claiming that he is equal among other sahabas is considered blasphemy in my school yet I respect the laws of state that I live in because I know its democratically impossible to impose something from my school of thought that I believe or follow, the reason is I live in Sunni state with majority Sunni population and I am a minority. So I have to respect the laws of the lands right?

 

[The Accountant]

So we agree, the change should come through the Parliament.

yes, but not through this parliament and this constitution as this parliament consist of bunch of criminals only

 

[jamahir]

@Xestan, I have not gone through this thread so I will post below what Zia-ul-Haq said about the Pakistani Constitution. Pakistanis should blame Zia-ul-Haq for this statement and other things :

What is a constitution? It is a booklet with twelve or ten pages. I can tear them away and say that tomorrow we shall live under a different system. Today, the people will follow wherever I lead. All the politicians including the once mighty Mr. Bhutto will follow me with tails wagging.

I believe that Musharraf is being hounded for his role in the raid on the Red Mosque.

 

[SD 10]

Hello PDF Awaam,

I have had enough of the Musharraf's treason case and honestly I am tired of arguing for the constitution of this country which is the basis of everything that is standing today.

Every soldier takes an oath to uphold the constitution of this country, his very official existence is based on the constitution.

Constitution is supreme and if there's no constitution, how would we govern ourselves anyway?

There are two things to see here..

DGISPR came out with a strong worder statement which said that the Army hopes that the justice will be provided based on the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Justice for whom?

The person who says, "I think the Constitution is just a piece of paper to be thrown into the dustbin."


If any Pakistani, especially a soldier defends these words, he/she is denying the existence of every State institution, especially the Armed Forces.

I fear a day when another General would say the same words and throw out a democratically elected Government.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1207258609643593728

I will say it too. Its a piece of trash that belongs in a dustbin.

 

[Xestan]

I will say it too. Its a piece of trash that belongs in a dustbin.

Then you belong to the same class as Musharraf, Zia and even Mullah Fazlullah. Usurpers!

 

[Enigma SIG]

Selective judgement from the courts is bullshit, regardless of how you interpret it. Why isn't Iftikhar choudhary being hanged? When are we going to make corruption an act of treason? Till then; F the courts and F the constitution.

 

[SD 10]

Then you belong to the same class as Musharraf, Zia and even Mullah Fazlullah. Usurpers!

i know this constitution very well, loopholes, Outdated stuff. It is only useful for the predators.

 

[khail007]

khalifah should also be supreme right?

Is there any term for 'Khalifah' as supreme? Unable to understand the terminology. Could you explain it more?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

why am I not aware of such laws against Ahmadis? I mean, I understand we are not open minded with regards to Ahmadis and their beliefs but we also have laws against them? I didn't know, can you explain?

Both ZA Bhutto & Zia-ul-Haq made changes to the constitution declaring Ahmadi's 'non-Muslim' and making it punishable for Ahmadi's to call themselves Muslim. What bigger discrimination and anti-Islamic law can there be that the State forbids an entire community to practice their faith and call themselves what they have always called themselves?

And about blasphemy laws, I think its a Islamic jurisprudence issue and it depends on the Islamic school you follow and it also depends on which Islamic school the state that we live in represents, for example I am a follower of school of Ahlul-bayt and in the jurisprudence I follow, Ali ibn Abi Talib has the highest rank among all sahabas of Prophet Muhammad and lowering the rank of Ali ibn Abi Talib or claiming that he is equal among other sahabas is considered blasphemy in my school yet I respect the laws of state that I live in because I know its democratically impossible to impose something from my school of thought that I believe or follow, the reason is I live in Sunni state with majority Sunni population and I am a minority. So I have to respect the laws of the lands right?

Blasphemy laws are vile and also against Islam. I don't care which Islamic School of thought one belongs to, the laws have been abused and misused. If not outright revocation, there needs to be significant reform in them to where there needs to be a very high bar with respect to evidence (witnesses are not enough - there needs to be audio or video). Furthermore, there needs to be serious punishment for anyone filing charges of blasphemy against someone that are not proven and the accused should be allowed to live freely until charges are proven, unlike today where the accused rot in jails for years because of fake witnesses and judges who are to afraid or biased to grant them freedom or even hear the case.