Musharraf faces exile

[batmannow]

great to see, sir blian2 taking on , these "democrazy" folks!
well done, dear sir!

 

[AstanoshKhan]

Every Govt. make mistakes, and the brave and honest one is the one who admits their mistakes and Musharraf did the same, which neither Buttho able to do it nor NS but only to blame each other and this present govt is doing the same. But one thing is for sure; Musharraf was a visionary man and his regime was a successful one for his work on Higher and Scientific Education and the number of students sent abroad for Phd's through HEC. We also cannot neglect his efforts for Pakistan industries, telecom sector and Gwadr project.

 

[SeaGull]

This is your jazbaat speaking. Pakistan has been raped and pillaged in much more brazen manner than anything you can pile up under Musharraf. Currently, true to our form, the nation is angry at the "Jernail" who is being blamed for all of the past sins as if the decade of the 90s had nothing to do with setting back the Pakistan of today. Our nation is always angry because the leaders never take charge and the buck passes on to anyone over whom the nation can vent. The PPP and PML-N must be thanking their lucky stars that they can blame the past military leadership since they are clearly incapable of dealing with Pakistan's challenges and know that in the face of this failure, the only salvation lies with keeping the nation distracted on the personalities of the past who in actuality have done much less harm than what their current inaction or action is doing.

In any case, hold on to your emotions because soon enough you will have to say the same about the two thieves who are visiting (as does a curse) Pakistan, namely Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. When these two gents go through their reigns of pillage and raping, then the sins of Musharraf will be forgotten and then he will reappear on the scene kicking these two assholes back into banishment. So all in all its not a bad thing for him to remove himself from the scene. The amazing, 30% literate awaam of Pakistan have to go through the ignominy of the Zardari and NS reigns before they can forget about the Jernail. So be it. It probably is a blessing in disguise for Musharraf.

Remember "TIA"? Well This Is Pakistan!!!!

Agreed - But Blain, can you please explain this bit that I don't understand about his temporary exile in London.
Don't you think he could have taken refuge in Peking or Shanghai?

 

[luoshan]

How does Musharraf afford such expensive house in London and able to go on expensive luxury cruises? Also, I heard he was building a palatial house on the outskirts of Islamabad in the last months of his dictatorship. Where did all that money come from? Something fishy going on here.

Hamam mai sub nange...

 

[Righteous_Fire]

That evil dictator and the man for himself had too much testosterone on him, I believe a little culling "down there" is in order remove the twins I say

 

[SeaGull]

Just my thoughts - I think Musharraf will do much better in a second round, if ever he gets one - should he reflect on how he could have handled the situation in his country in the view of lessons he learned - but not thru the colored glass of his London apartment.
The wide expanses of Tibet would have been much better - I would love to live the days of my exile in TIBET

 

[blain2]

How does Musharraf afford such expensive house in London and able to go on expensive luxury cruises? Also, I heard he was building a palatial house on the outskirts of Islamabad in the last months of his dictatorship. Where did all that money come from? Something fishy going on here.

Hamam mai sub nange...

Ok prove what you claim here. Any documentation, pictures, price of this "expensive" house in London? Do you know what a luxury cruise costs? Nothing more than $5-10,000 USD (in case his is not a complementary one). Do you know how much he is making per engagement on the lecture circuit? $100,000 -$200,000 per lecture - too bad that neither Zardari nor Nawaz Sharif can command anything like this..they have never been asked and as such all the more reason for hoarding all that they can while in power because once they are out of sight, they are surely out of the mind of the world. Now figure out the above numbers keeping in mind that Musharraf has been on this lecture circuit for a while.

Secondly, why is the assumption that he is broke? Did he not earn income as the CoAS and then as the President? Does his son not live in the West and is working a fairly high paying job? I sure would care for my father if he came and visited me in Pakistan or elsewhere. So why is this stay in the West so unusual for a person like Musharraf? Does he not have a house and property in Pakistan? Don't you think he has money in DSC in Pakistan?

He is the first President of Pakistan who disclosed all of his assets and they were definitely enough to finance the house in Chak Shehzad and then have some left over.

Here you are making a controversy out of nothing. He is decently well off through documented sources of income unlike the current President and the former PM lurking in the shadows.

Critique Musharraf's policies, but don't try to go off on half-truths and outright lies about his financial integrity. All that the other side can pin on him is claims of this or that irregularity without being able to prove anything against him or his former PM Shaukat Aziz, another man of great personal integrity.

 

[SeaGull]

OK, i can figure out the compulsions of his stay in London - no need to answer that one.

And righteous_fire - the twins that you speak of culling should be Z & NS - if only you knew.

 

[graphican]

Dear Pakistani brothers,

please explain how Musharaf who is often loved and popular (i.e. friends and lovers of Mush) can "suddenly" become so despised? Didn't he help build and unify Pakistan? Is this a sudden COVERT character-assassination operation?

Seems those who put Zardari in power (not the people!) are the same who are going after Musharaf. Seen this played out in many countries. Those who have strong Zionist support receive IMMUNITY for their crimes, while those who countered Zionists during their term are HUNTED LIKE ANIMALS.

That is my observation, please share yours.

Looks like you have made this observation being sympathetic to Musharraf. Mullah Umar and Ahmadinejad are the people who go against Zoininsts and one can see how "favored" they are.

Musharaf was a patriotic person, a man twice more competent than any of the leaders we have now. No doubt about it, but ecstasy of power and patriotism took him too far that he forgot that Allah Exists. He started feeling as "god" and did everything which his mind felt right. During his tenure, he used to think that it is he who Pakistan needs the most and rest of the countrymen can well be sold for $200 each. "I am right and rest of the world is not".. we stuff Mental Hospitals with the people who think so that but Musharraf was let to rule 170 million people for 9 years with the backing of Zoinests.

When people talk of Musharraf, few forget his crimes completely and few ignore his abilities. Musharraf was just a right person on wrong side.

 

[moha199]

Ok prove what you claim here. Any documentation, pictures, price of this "expensive" house in London? Do you know what a luxury cruise costs? Nothing more than $5-10,000 USD (in case his is not a complementary one). Do you know how much he is making per engagement on the lecture circuit? $100,000 -$200,000 per lecture - too bad that neither Zardari nor Nawaz Sharif can command anything like this..they have never been asked and as such all the more reason for hoarding all that they can while in power because once they are out of sight, they are surely out of the mind of the world. Now figure out the above numbers keeping in mind that Musharraf has been on this lecture circuit for a while.

Secondly, why is the assumption that he is broke? Did he not earn income as the CoAS and then as the President? Does his son not live in the West and is working a fairly high paying job? I sure would care for my father if he came and visited me in Pakistan or elsewhere. So why is this stay in the West so unusual for a person like Musharraf? Does he not have a house and property in Pakistan? Don't you think he has money in DSC in Pakistan?

He is the first President of Pakistan who disclosed all of his assets and they were definitely enough to finance the house in Chak Shehzad and then have some left over.

Here you are making a controversy out of nothing. He is decently well off through documented sources of income unlike the current President and the former PM lurking in the shadows.

Critique Musharraf's policies, but don't try to go off on half-truths and outright lies about his financial integrity. All that the other side can pin on him is claims of this or that irregularity without being able to prove anything against him or his former PM Shaukat Aziz, another man of great personal integrity.

Brother you are always with the right thought and i admire you, You answerd what i had to say rest i will try to cover.

 

[moha199]

Exactly, cared his country by giving up on Kashmir stance by Killing hundreds of young innocent kids and women and ofcours doing Karghil after which Pakistan is on the defensive. No talk of corruption and why national debt increased many folds, no electricity, water, food in the country and also that during his rule Pakistan was declared the third most corrupt nation in the world. He is rightful in wearing the Crown of National Service.

Political Exile? Hang Him!

First of all with all due respect i see your disability to understand international politics on world level. Second prove one point where you say that he gave up on Kasmire stance. Pakistani stance was to have the entire kasghmire and indian was the same, and i wouldn't and will not be solved until Pakistan take over india or india take over pakistan, so you need to meet at the common ground unless you want to live in the time of Quriesh where tribes used to fight over camels drinking water for 40 years. Talking about him killing hunderds in wot! what is happending right now? If it's ok now then why at that time. US drones attacks are not in pakistan's control, now he is gone why don't this government of NS and PPP stop them. Instead they gave them the green signel Electricity? Pakistan went over from 1 tv channel to over 70 from 2 telecom companies to over 20, People who didn't have TV have TV, computer are given on campuses by schools, UPS, Business grew, Pakistan built it's aircraft industry, Took HIT to the next level, when people couldn't even think of AC now having many in their houses, All this take electricity. Pakistan never thought of this boom in this small time so, Pakistan lacked a bit, but all the roits by Political parties and lawyers brought Pakistan to it's knees, So Musharraf could be forced out and now you are blaming Musharraf. Yes he thought that Pakistan need Musharraf. So tell me what happend after he left. we are doomed now admit it or not so in reality we needed a leader like him for another 5-7 years but we rushed him to the door and now we are Blaming for our sins on him. Just for the example. Pakistan needed 40 million tons of wheat but we were producing 44 millions. So the government let the export of wheat happen and we people went on making money and exported more then 4 millions and smuggled it to Afganistan. So is it his fault? and if yeh then how? prove me. If bad things happen, then who do it? Answer is we Pakistani do it to us and we are blaming on One guy. ZHe never felt like god nor he will ever Inshah Allah rest Allah knows so this exemption is wrong. You talking about national debt? Please go study about finance brother with all due respect before casting funny comments. What is wrong with us i mean seriously.

 

[moha199]

OK, i can figure out the compulsions of his stay in London - no need to answer that one.

And righteous_fire - the twins that you speak of culling should be Z & NS - if only you knew.

Well said

 

[grey boy 2]

Chinese people have great respect for Mr. Mushrraf.

He is one of China's highly respected best friend.

Anytime in the future, whenever Mr. Mushrraf come visit China, we

will be waiting with red carpet welcome.

LONG LIVE PAKISTAN AND CHINA FRIENDSHIP!!!

 

[blain2]

I post this just to make my earlier point. The jazbaati Pakistani nation is devoid of basic objectivity. If Musharraf did everything wrong, then was he alone in it? If not then why is the critique only for him? Where are all oft he others who sided with him, tolerated his rule from 1999 onwards and gave sweets to people on the streets of Lahore and ISB?

Yes he had his faults, can NS and Zardari claim otherwise? Abbaji stole money from Pakistan to become a multi-billionaire in Pakistan on merit? Zardari's assets of $60 million that the Swiss released were earned as salary of his late wife who was twice Pakistan's PM? Pakistan's democracy is flawed because of the people at the helm of it and it will stay flawed because our nation does not have the objectivity to realize what has damaged them more.

I would also assert that our nation is one of cowards and hypocrites. There is not a single person who has the courage to stand-up and admit his own mistakes. While I admit that Musharraf did many wrongs, but at least he admits to most of them including the point that his emergency rule was wrong. Have you ever heard Nawaz Sharif or Zardari admit to anything? The country was obliterated financially due to their Government's mismanagement but they cannot admit one fault. This is the mentality of our leading Pakistani democrats.

Musharraf — my commander
Monday, August 03, 2009
It has now become fashionable to find faults with the former president and the print media is full of sensational stories and this has prompted me to write this. What hurts me is criticism of General Musharraf in the man’s absence. Where are his friends and colleagues who helped him overthrow Nawaz Sharif’s government and devised ways and means to ensure that his regime last for as long as it did. I first met the general when I was commanding a battalion in Kharian and where Musharraf was corps commander. He called all the commanding officers of his formation and spoke to them in a very clear manner telling them what the army expected from the formation and how he would conduct his job and carry out his responsibilities. He was absolutely clear and set excellent operational objectives and it was obvious that he was someone who led from the front.

The corps commander designed a battle course spread over three days. My battalion was the first one to implement this concept and the late Lt-Gen Jamshed Gulzar Kayani was the general officer commanding. I had to give a presentation and was understandably quite nervous but General Musharraf was so charismatic and forthright that I felt at ease. He listened to the briefing with rapt attention and said that theoretically it was fine but had to be tested in the field. He remained awake with us throughout the night to observe the exercise and this was a rewarding experience for all of us. I did observe, however, that he likes to be pampered and trusts his subordinates blindly.

After serving one year in Kharian, I was posted to an important desk at GHQ. During my time there I found him to have an excellent grasp of issues and that he had immense love for his subordinates. He was very kind and magnanimous by nature and I remember during his visit to formations after Kargil that he would listened to very pointed criticism. In one of such gatherings a young officer was very harsh with him but the general listened to him politely. He was a corps commander par excellence. However, he was also very ambitious, vulnerable to praise and perhaps too trusting.

I will not defend him for breaching merit but these are compulsions of dictators all over the world. Let me ask a few questions, however. For instance, could he have planned and executed Kargil single-handedly? Where are his staff and commanders? Could he take over all by himself? Who helped him organise and carry out the referendum? Who elected him president in uniform and who pledged that they would do it again, and again? Those people who were part and parcel of all this need to come forward and bear part of the blame for what happened.

For me he was the most inspiring commander in my service and I still cherish his excellent leadership traits.

Brig (r) Asif Alvi

Karachi

 

[HAIDER]

Well, Mushi took many wrong decisions ....but its mistake or whatever people call...taking part in war against terror was blessing in disguise .....I am being member of Pakistani society was shocked when i see first time how these jehadies are destroying our society ....it was like pest and came out from their hole when Mushi spray.....Islamabad was totally gone and was in hand of jehadies, NWFP was in totaly control of Taliban, Baluch Saradar Bugti had totally annihilate the writ of govt. What he did yesterday ....today another party and other people are singing victory songs. Unfortunately, Pakistan might going to have again clean shave Taliban , NS.