Musharaf idealogy about Human Right

[waraich66]

Is this thread about Kashmir?

How we can blame India on human right violation in Kashmir if our Government commit same violation in Swat ?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Is this thread about Kashmir?

The so called logic by your former Army Chief and President can very well be applied to Kashmir or Palestine or any part of the world for that matter.

 

[Icarus]

How we can blame India on human right violation in Kashmir if our Government commit same violation in Swat ?

Now you have my attention........What violation in Swat are you referring to ?

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Oh wow... Uncle Musharaf is now talking about Human Rights and how it does not apply in Pakistan... Wonder if the activist asked him why he was trying to impose his stupid slavery of America on the whole nation... the fruits of which we are bearing till this day!!!

Musharaf is the fasad ki jar of what has happened to Pakistan under his regime... Let there be no doubts about it...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Now you have my attention........What violation in Swat are you referring to ?

Start with the video where unarmed youngsters (probably Taliban) are shot dead in a summary execution by Pak Army!!!

 

[Icarus]

The so called logic by your former Army Chief and President can very well be applied to Kashmir or Palestine or any part of the world for that matter.

You don't need anybody's advice, you(India) and Israel are already doing quite a good job killing civilians in the name of national security......now please come back to the topic, if you are in the mood for discussing Kashmir, start a thread in the Kashmir War section. It's best if these discussions remain organized and relevant to the topic in question......

 

[Icarus]

Start with the video where unarmed youngsters (probably Taliban) are shot dead in a summary execution by Pak Army!!!

OK, lets start with that............I would post at least 30 videos of unarmed civvies being beheaded and a woman being whipped that are easily available over the internet but in keeping with the decency of this forum I shall refrain from doing this. You however being a Talib junky(I presume) will have no problem finding them............watch them and then get back to me.
If you are in the mood for something less graphic, go to youtube and search for "Idraak" Pakistan Army in Swat..........

 

[Icarus]

Oh wow... Uncle Musharaf is now talking about Human Rights and how it does not apply in Pakistan... Wonder if the activist asked him why he was trying to impose his stupid slavery of America on the whole nation... the fruits of which we are bearing till this day!!!

Musharaf is the fasad ki jar of what has happened to Pakistan under his regime... Let there be no doubts about it...

Yeah I agree, we got a AAA+ credit rating, 16,000 points on KSE-100 making it the 5th largest market, got named as the top economic reformers in Asia and our foreign reserves were at an all time high, intl debt was down to record low, Pakistan plumetted off the corruption index and steadily climbed the ease of doing business index, not to mention that 8% per annum growth rate and the 10% reduction in poverty coupled with 10% increase in education percentage.
Bad Musharraf, Damn you for all this ! We were happy with Nawaz Sharif when Pakistan was a Rouge state with a CCC- credit rating, 3rd most corrupt in the world and in a position to be unable to pay it's debts in 200 years...........

 

[The Clarifier]

The so called logic by your former Army Chief and President can very well be applied to Kashmir or Palestine or any part of the world for that matter.

This thread is about human rights so its ironic you guys bring up Kashmir.

Just trolling

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

OK, lets start with that............I would post at least 30 videos of unarmed civvies being beheaded and a woman being whipped that are easily available over the internet but in keeping with the decency of this forum I shall refrain from doing this. You however being a Talib junky(I presume) will have no problem finding them............watch them and then get back to me.
If you are in the mood for something less graphic, go to youtube and search for "Idraak" Pakistan Army in Swat..........

What a stupid response... You are such a loser... When you have no argument, you resort to name calling and fight evil with evil nonsense...

Have you ever heard Two wrongs dont make a right? If you have do you know what it means? if you do, perhaps you should apply it in your postings rather than spit out emotional rants.

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Yeah I agree, we got a AAA+ credit rating, 16,000 points on KSE-100 making it the 5th largest market, got named as the top economic reformers in Asia and our foreign reserves were at an all time high, intl debt was down to record low, Pakistan plumetted off the corruption index and steadily climbed the ease of doing business index, not to mention that 8% per annum growth rate and the 10% reduction in poverty coupled with 10% increase in education percentage.
Bad Musharraf, Damn you for all this ! We were happy with Nawaz Sharif when Pakistan was a Rouge state with a CCC- credit rating, 3rd most corrupt in the world and in a position to be unable to pay it's debts in 200 years...........

Wohi Purani Ghisi Piti "economics" Argument...

Next please!!!

 

[Icarus]

What a stupid response... You are such a loser... When you have no argument, you resort to name calling and fight evil with evil nonsense...

I never said so, my point merely was that the Army men are also human beings. When they see their countrymen, their comrades, their brothers in arms being brought to their deaths in unimaginably cruel ways. Don't you think it will drive them to take revenge for that suffering their friends experienced ? I personally believe that killing via Shooting Squad is quite humane as compared to what the Taliban do to their prisoners.

Have you ever heard Two wrongs dont make a right? If you have do you know what it means? if you do, perhaps you should apply it in your postings rather than spit out emotional rants.

I in noway say that summary exeutions are appropriate however under the circumstances I believe we cannot reprimand those men. The kind of war they are fighting is full of "Back Stabbing" tactics, it's bound to have some effect on them. The pain of seeing your comrades with missing body parts bearing marks of excruciating torture is bound to culminate in some form of anger.

Wohi Purani Ghisi Piti "economics" Argument...

Next please!!!

Now you are avoiding the issue and have no argument. Refute it with facts and figures or walk away with your pride, your choice........

 

[Icarus]

You see I don't need to be tutored on "Talib Rights" by a guy living in England and the other living in Canada because it's all good over there.
I served two years in Bajaur and honestly those two years could make an animal out of anyone.
I had a special magazine filled with Hollow Point bullets for my 9mm side arm that I kept for two men(Talibs) in particular. Had I ever found them in battle, I would have emptied everyone of those 15 bullets into their skulls.
One had urinated over the bodies of our men and the other had removed the veils of a tribal elder's daughters and slapped them in a full bazaar. The guy who had urinated our boy's body surrendered to us, I personally wanted that his pi55er be cut off and stuffed up his mouth, the man being left to bleed to death but I did not do it because unlike these animals I am bound by a code of honour. I got my satisfaction 10 days later when the mother fu**er was killed 10 days later by his Talib buddies.
So we do observe human rights for those who surrender or are taken prisoner no matter how big a crime they have committed. But sometimes emotion does take over.........

 

[Peshwa]

I never said so, my point merely was that the Army men are also human beings. When they see their countrymen, their comrades, their brothers in arms being brought to their deaths in unimaginably cruel ways. Don't you think it will drive them to take revenge for that suffering their friends experienced ? I personally believe that killing via Shooting Squad is quite humane as compared to what the Taliban do to their prisoners.



I in noway say that summary exeutions are appropriate however under the circumstances I believe we cannot reprimand those men. The kind of war they are fighting is full of "Back Stabbing" tactics, it's bound to have some effect on them. The pain of seeing your comrades with missing body parts bearing marks of excruciating torture is bound to culminate in some form of anger.

I prefer not to draw likeness with Kashmir based on this video...

Nevertheless, the above statements should be taken note of the next time a Kashmir human rights related thread is opened.....

Lets not have different standards for Human rights....
I dont believe the definition changes based on the disputed nature of a territory....

 

[Icarus]

I prefer not to draw likeness with Kashmir based on this video...

Nevertheless, the above statements should be taken note of the next time a Kashmir human rights related thread is opened.....

Lets not have different standards for Human rights....
I dont believe the definition changes based on the disputed nature of a territory....

Kashmiri militants don't do half the stuff Talibs do, you know that quite well.......

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Kakgeta my dear brother and soldier in Pak Army (I guessing)...

I have this to say to you...

When the Kafir spit on Ali's face... Ali stepped back and withdrew his sword... The Kafir got up from the ground and asked... Why did you not strike me when I had fallen and you could ve easily killed me? Ali RA replied... Before I was fighting you for the sake of Allah... but when you spat on me I got afraid that I would kill you for the sake of my anger...

Dont be angry... and remember... two wrongs dont make a right... Dont you remember what Syedi Omar Mukhtar says which is shown in the movie The Lion of the Desert when one of his boys is about to kill a prisoner and says that the enemies do the same to our prisoners... so he snubs him and tells him... Our enemies are not our teachers!!!

I refuse to discuss Musharaf's economic deception with you... Its been done to death on the forum already... Do search for it in other threads...