Mumbai Attacks

[Munir]

Just pointing to you, you don't have moral high ground to say oppressors are terrorists. We will leave at this and stick to topic.

So only indians have? No wonder you are killing eachother.

 

[dr.umer]

Those who are opressors are terrorist.

you don't have moral high ground to say oppressors are terrorists.

I say again, all oppressors are terrorist and all terrorist are oppressors.

I can't make myself more clear.

 

[Munir]

Pakistan condemns Mumbai attacks
By CHRIS BRUMMITT – 55 minutes ago

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistan warned India against accusing of it links to the Mumbai terror attacks Thursday, saying doing so would "destroy all the goodwill" between the two nuclear-armed rivals.
The remarks by Pakistan's defense minister came hours after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said militants based outside his country carried them out.
Singh did not single out Pakistan, which New Delhi has accused of complicity in terror attacks on its soil before, but his remarks are likely to be taken as a sign here that India suspects Pakistani links somewhere in the plot.
A serious deterioration in relations between Pakistan and India, which have fought three wars since 1947, would greatly complicate U.S. foreign policy in South Asia as it tries to get Islamabad to focus less on its southern neighbor and more on tackling al-Qaida and Taliban militants along the Afghan border.
In 2001, militants fighting Indian-rule in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir attacked the parliament in New Delhi, helping push the countries to the brink of war a year later.
The attack late Wednesday saw teams of gunmen attack at least 10 sites, including two luxury hotels, a railway station and a Jewish center, in the financial capital of Mumbai. More than 100 people were killed.
In an address to the nation, Prime Minister Singh said the group that carried out the attacks "was based outside the country" and warned its neighbors "that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated."
Pakistan Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar condemned the attack, but said "we should not be blamed like in the past,"
"This will destroy all the goodwill we created together after years of bitterness," he told The Associated Press. "I will say in very categoric terms that Pakistan is not involved in these gory incidents."
Earlier, Indian navy spokesman Capt. Manohar Nambiar said navy officers had boarded a cargo vessel it suspected of ties to the attacks that had come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan. He later said the ship was not linked in any way to the strikes.
Many analysts said Wednesday's attacks were more likely to have been carried out by indigenous, Indian extremist groups blamed for a series of bombings this year than Pakistani-linked ones.
They also noted that India's government stood to benefit politically for hinting at the involvement of its old rival — rather than admitting some of its own 145 million Muslims had become radicalized.
"It will always want to label this militancy as foreign rather than to accept it has its own problem," said Shaun Gregory, an expert on South Asian terrorism at the University of Bradford in Britain. "That sells much more easily to the Indian public than admitting serious grievances within its Muslims."
Relations between India and Pakistan have improved in recent years, helped by a reduction in the flow of militants into Kashmir, the divided and violence-torn territory at the core of their dispute.
Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, declared over the weekend that India posed no threat to Pakistan and called for the heavily militarized border to be opened for trade.
Earlier, Pakistan's foreign minister said his country would cooperate in any investigation. He too warned against early speculation about the perpetrators.
"Let us not go in for knee-jerk reactions," said Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was in India for talks on a slow-moving South Asian peace process.
An Indian media report said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the attacks in e-mails to several media outlets. There was no way to verify that claim.
Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore, said he believed the terrorists were from India.
"The earlier generation of terrorist groups in India were mostly linked to Pakistan," he said. "But today we are seeing a dramatic change. They are almost all homegrown groups."

 

[Black Stone]

Yes sad times just like 9/11. But I request GoI not to attack innocents without proof just like US attacked Iraq.

I like the last part of your post. Were you implying India is more of a saint when it comes to proofs or you just taking an indirect swipe at the US? or both?.

 

[Black Stone]

Pakistan condemns Mumbai Terror attacks

Pakistan's president and premier strongly condemn the terrorist attacks on Indian port city of Mumbai that killed more than 125 people.

In separate statements, President Asif Ali Zardari and Premier Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani deplored the attacks and pledged their full cooperation with Indian authorities in fighting terrorism, Press TV correspondent in Pakistan reported Thursday.

"Our grieves are with the families and friends of those killed and injured. Pakistan and India will continue their joint struggles to counter the actions of terrorists," a statement quoted Zaradari as saying.

Gilani also strongly condemned the violence and said Pakistan had always opposed terrorism, the statement noted.

Zardari and Gilani further stressed the need for taking strict measures to root out terrorism and extremism in the region.

The comments are made after gunmen targeted several sites across Mumbai late on Wednesday, killing 125 people and injuring 327 others.

India has in the past accused elements in Pakistan of supporting militants fighting Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region, and of complicity in bomb attacks elsewhere in India.

Relations have improved between the two neighboring countries under the PPP-led government in Islamabad.

 

[smeaglegolum]

I like the last part of your post. Were you implying India is more of a saint when it comes to proofs or you just taking an indirect swipe at the US? or both?.

Both. Western countries have always arm twisted in doing rightful job by Indian army even when we had proofs. (Kargil, Parliament attack)

 

[Skywalker]

Two Pak vessels apprehended off Gujarat coast

In its search to find the 'mother ship' of the terrorists who have attacked Mumbai, India on Thursday apprehended two Pakistani merchant vessels off the coast of Gujarat in a joint operation carried out by the Navy, Coast Guard and the water wing of the Border Security Force.

"We have apprehended two cargo ships in a joint operation near the Gujarat coast while they were sailing to Karachi. They are suspected to be the ships that ferried the terrorists near to Mumbai coast on Wednesday," Home Ministry sources told PTI.

The three sea-guarding forces were put on a high alert after intelligence agencies gave inputs about a merchant vessel, suspected to be involved in the terror attacks on Mumbai since Wednesday, trying to move towards Karachi in Pakistan.

The forces were, in fact, conducting their routine joint exercises in the general area of the Gujarat coast when they received the intelligence inputs and they immediately diverted their assets to search for the run-away merchant vessel.

"In the evening, Indian ships sighted two ships including the one about which intelligence agencies had given a tip-off," Home Ministry sources said.

The Indian ships apprehended both the cargo ships, which were identified as MV Alpha and MV Al Kabir. Officers of the three forces were ascertaining the credentials of the crew on board the two ships, sources added.

Whatever happened in Mimbai is indeed unacceptable as the valuable lives lost and like any other Proud Pakistani I condemn that, but as usual blaming Pakistan for your internal problems is not acceptable. Your pathetic media can only do this so that more people listen to them. Boats found near mumbai means that anyone can sneak in whenever they feel like ( aapki navy ko chuloo bhar pani mein doob merna chayyeh).

By apprehending two merchant marine ships wont help, IN is looking for a scape goat and they have found it.

The only thing I can pray now that your mature media gets mature now and stop playing with layman's emotions, cause they dont know what is right and what is wrong.

 

[dr.umer]

India’s Islamic Militants Shift Target to Foreigners, Economy ​

Nov 28, 2008

By James Rupert

Nov. 28 (Bloomberg) -- The terrorist attacks in Mumbai show India’s home-grown Islamic militant movement is aligning its campaign with those in the broader Muslim world, while seeking to hit economic interests, intelligence analysts said.

Gunmen who stormed hotels and other tourist sites in India’s financial capital -leaving at least 101 dead and 290 injured -- displayed a greater degree of organization, sophistication and determination than in strikes of recent years, said B. Raman, the former counter-terrorism director of India’s intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing.

The violence “seems to be part of a chain of attacks dating back to last year” by a domestic militant group called the Indian Mujahideen, which in recent statements has “made references to the ‘war of civilizations,’” signaling a mindset close to international groups such as al-Qaeda, Raman said.

After years in which Indian Muslim extremists have focused on the country’s Hindu majority, the militants’ targeting of Americans and Britons gives them common cause with global Islamist groups like al-Qaeda and at the same time strikes the international links that have helped India’s economy grow at 9 percent or more for each of the past three years.

Previously, their aim was “to incite communal strife between Hindus and Muslims,” said Reva Bhalla, director of geopolitical analysts at Stratfor, a private intelligence company in Austin, Texas. The latest attacks were aimed at “spreading fear to Western tourists and businesspeople, hitting at India’s economic lifelines,” Bhalla said.

Riskiest Country

On the night of Nov. 26, militants armed with grenades and rifles stormed into the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel and the Oberoi Trident complex, singling out foreign nationals and taking hostages. The attack has added a new dimension to a wave of bombings that rocked Indian cities this year, killing more than 300 people in markets, theaters and at religious sites.

Hong Kong-based Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd. rates India the riskiest of 14 Asian countries, not including Pakistan and Afghanistan, it analyzed for the coming year.

“One of the reasons was the threat of terrorism,” said the firm’s managing director, Robert Broadfoot, in a telephone interview. “Between January 2004 and September 2008, deaths from terrorist attacks were second only to those in Iraq.”

While “no immediate, definite evidence” showed which group attacked in Mumbai, “this seems driven by the same mind” as the past year’s bombings claimed by the Indian Mujahideen, Raman said.

Spreading Fear

The Indian Mujahideen came to public attention after militants used that name in a video sent to news organizations claiming responsibility for bombings on May 13 in the tourist city of Jaipur. Since then, “the Indian Mujahideen have authenticated claims by including photographs of their explosive devices” and other evidence in their messages, Raman said.

A group called the “Deccan Mujahideen” claimed responsibility for the attacks, an official of India’s Home Ministry said.

The Deccan region of India includes Maharashtra state, of which Mumbai is the capital. The group’s message appeared to include no authenticating evidence, Raman said.

While the scale and ferocity of the Mumbai attack shocked Indians, Broadfoot predicted a limited long-term effect on its economy, which “doesn’t depend on tourism for its livelihood,” he said. “I don’t think it will be more than a temporary disadvantage. They’re already security conscious. Terrorists tried to blow up Parliament already.”

Pakistan Accused

In terms of political stability, it may be “much better that they targeted foreigners in hotels rather than Hindu temples -- the backlash from that would have been horrendous,” Broadfoot said.

Religious riots that killed 2,000 people in Gujarat in 2002 were sparked by the burning of a railcar carrying Hindu activists, allegedly by Muslims.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in a televised speech yesterday that the Mumbai attackers were “based outside the country,” without saying where or offering any evidence. India has accused Pakistan’s intelligence services of abetting some of India’s deadliest terrorist attacks, including bombs on Mumbai trains that killed at least 200 people on July 11, 2006.

Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari and Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi condemned the Mumbai attacks yesterday.

While Pakistan has backed extremist groups fighting India’s rule in the disputed territory of Kashmir, the Indian Mujahiddin are driven “mainly by local reasons, local anger,” said Raman.

More Attacks

Islamic militant groups operating in India “may assume different pseudo names but are driven by the same set of grievances and external abetment,” said N. Manoharan, a senior fellow at the Centre for Land Warfare Studies in New Delhi.

Now, “India’s close relationships with the U.S. and European countries seem to have made them target foreigners for the first time,” he said.

India may not have seen the last of such terror, warned Suba Chandran, the deputy director at the Institute of Peace & Conflict Studies in New Delhi.

“These men are not poor and illiterate,” he said in a phone interview. “They are highly motivated youngsters with grievances real and imagined. There may be more such attacks until we address their grievances and improve intelligence gathering.”

To contact the reporter on this story: James Rupert in New Delhi at jrupert3@bloomberg.net.

 

[Black Stone]

Both. Western countries have always arm twisted in doing rightful job by Indian army even when we had proofs. (Kargil, Parliament attack)

I don't understand why you are taking a swipe at the US. The situation is confusing, no one knows the true motives and many possibilities exists.

Therefore, it is reasonable not to overlook all the possibilities. No one is claiming a specific possibility as a fact, we are all just speculating the possibilities.

"Inside Job" is a possibility also, did you get sensitive when I agreed with Aamir Zia that an "Inside Job" possibility should not be ruled out?.

 

[Black Stone]

Mumbai's Taj hotel stand-off nearly over

Indian security forces have nearly completed their operation to flush out militants holed up in Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel, officials say.

National Security Guards (NSG) director general J.K. Dutt told the NDTV news channel late Thursday that police forces and army commandos were fully in control of the situation. "I am fully confident we will achieve our objectives," he said, adding that "In the Taj (hotel) there is one terrorist... he has been injured. I think we should be able to mop up the operation very quickly."

Dutt's remarks came as some media reports said at least two militants were still on the eighth floor of the hotel.

However, the commandos are now continuing to sweep through the nearby Oberoi/Trident hotel, where a number of guests -- including foreigners -- were either hiding in their rooms or being held hostage.

At least a dozen gunmen were holed up at three sites in Mumbai nearly 24 hours after a series of devastating attacks in the city.

An unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen, has claimed responsibility for the attacks. However, security experts say the announcement could be a hoax or made under an assumed name.

Gunmen targeted several sites across Mumbai late Wednesday, killing 125 people and injuring 327 others.

 

[Halaku Khan]

As far as Pakistan is concerned, they hardly talk about Indian Hyderabad. So seems this individual was an Indian.

Precisely. That is why, when Pakistanis do want to talk about Indian Hyderabad, they say Hyderabad Deccan. An Indian wanting to talk about Indian Hyderabad would say just Hyderabad.

LOL ^ What planet are you from ?

You are quite welcome to LOL, although I am not sure what you are laughing about.

 

[was]

Pakistan condemns Mumbai attacks




ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Pakistan warned India against accusing of it links to the Mumbai terror attacks Thursday, saying doing so would "destroy all the goodwill" between the two nuclear-armed rivals.

The remarks by Pakistan's defense minister came hours after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said militants based outside his country carried them out.

Singh did not single out Pakistan, which New Delhi has accused of complicity in terror attacks on its soil before, but his remarks are likely to be taken as a sign here that India suspects Pakistani links somewhere in the plot.

A serious deterioration in relations between Pakistan and India, which have fought three wars since 1947, would greatly complicate U.S. foreign policy in South Asia as it tries to get Islamabad to focus less on its southern neighbor and more on tackling al-Qaida and Taliban militants along the Afghan border.

In 2001, militants fighting Indian-rule in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir attacked the parliament in New Delhi, helping push the countries to the brink of war a year later.

The attack late Wednesday saw teams of gunmen attack at least 10 sites, including two luxury hotels, a railway station and a Jewish center, in the financial capital of Mumbai. More than 100 people were killed.

In an address to the nation, Prime Minister Singh said the group that carried out the attacks "was based outside the country" and warned its neighbors "that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated."

Pakistan Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar condemned the attack, but said "we should not be blamed like in the past,"

"This will destroy all the goodwill we created together after years of bitterness," he told The Associated Press. "I will say in very categoric terms that Pakistan is not involved in these gory incidents."

Earlier, Indian navy spokesman Capt. Manohar Nambiar said navy officers had boarded a cargo vessel it suspected of ties to the attacks that had come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan. He later said the ship was not linked in any way to the strikes.

Many analysts said Wednesday's attacks were more likely to have been carried out by indigenous, Indian extremist groups blamed for a series of bombings this year than Pakistani-linked ones.

They also noted that India's government stood to benefit politically for hinting at the involvement of its old rival — rather than admitting some of its own 145 million Muslims had become radicalized.

"It will always want to label this militancy as foreign rather than to accept it has its own problem," said Shaun Gregory, an expert on South Asian terrorism at the University of Bradford in Britain. "That sells much more easily to the Indian public than admitting serious grievances within its Muslims."

Relations between India and Pakistan have improved in recent years, helped by a reduction in the flow of militants into Kashmir, the divided and violence-torn territory at the core of their dispute.

Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, declared over the weekend that India posed no threat to Pakistan and called for the heavily militarized border to be opened for trade.

Earlier, Pakistan's foreign minister said his country would cooperate in any investigation. He too warned against early speculation about the perpetrators.

"Let us not go in for knee-jerk reactions," said Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was in India for talks on a slow-moving South Asian peace process.

An Indian media report said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the attacks in e-mails to several media outlets. There was no way to verify that claim.

Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore, said he believed the terrorists were from India.

"The earlier generation of terrorist groups in India were mostly linked to Pakistan," he said. "But today we are seeing a dramatic change. They are almost all homegrown groups."

 

[Chanakya.10]

One terrorist left in Taj hotel, says NSG
28 Nov 2008, 0030 hrs IST, PTI

MUMBAI: The NSG, which is engaged in a gun battle with the terrorists at Taj hotel here, said just one terrorist was still hiding and hoped to

wrap up the flush-out operation at the Trident-Oberoi hotel and Nariman House very soon.

"There is one terrorist in the Taj (hotel). He has been injured and I think we will be able to mop up the operation there very quickly," Director General of National Security Guard (NSG) J K Dutt said.

He said the injured terrorist has not yet been captured but "we will be able to do so soon".

Dutt said two terrorists are holed up in the 8th floor of the Oberoi hotel while in the Trident section the combing operation has been completed.

"As far as Trident is concerned, we have been able to completely clean up and we do not have any report of any terrorist being holed up over there.

"As far as Oberoi is concerned, yes, we have engaged two terrorists on the 8th floor," he said.

He said that the operation to clean up the Nariman House was still going on.

 

[Imran Khan]

Same can be said about Pakistan which is only ruled by Punjabis, and very few balochis and pakhtuns....

your info is real cheap sir in this gov who is panjabi ? and past please Z A BHUTTU ZIA UL HAQ BENAZEER MUSHRRAF no one of them is panjbi are you realy think we don't know pakistan ? or we don't know india's shames

 

[smeaglegolum]

Terrorists did recee,set up control rooms in luxury hotels

Mumbai, Nov.27 (PTI) Terrorists who struck Mumbai had set up advance "Control Rooms" in the luxury Taj and Trident(Oberoi) hotels which was also targeted and did prior reconnaisance executing plans worked "over months", Union Cabinet minister Kapil Sibal said tonight.
Sibal said the unprecedented terror attack in the country's financial capital was planned "over months" and the terrorists were not carrying AK-47 rifles but sophisticated weapons like MP-6.

"The terrorists have identified the targets earlier. Somebody had told them earlier. Enormous planning went into the incident. The terrorists were dropped by a mother ship and travelled in rubber boats which they docked (at Mumbai)," Sibal told CNBC.

Terrorists were not attacking people at random. It was a well though out plan, Sibal said.

They had targeted certain key police officers even when they were wearing vests and protective head gears, he said, adding the terrorists shot them dead within minutes of their arrival.

As security agencies pieced together various leads in the probe on India's worst ever terror strike, there were reports that a likely marine arm of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba may have been involved in the well-planned attacks that left 125 persons dead.

The Union Home Ministry said the terrorists chose the sea route and came to the city in boats before spreading out in the metropolis to carry out the sinister strike.

The assessment by the Centre as Mumbai continued to be under siege for the second day came amid reports that the leader of the armed terrorists involved in the attack was killed by his own men. PTI