Mumbai Attacks

[wtf]

To all those trolls who complain about akhand Bharat, this should put your reservations to rest, especially the part which says "They see Pakistan as too troublesome a place to take over. They are reconciled to its separate existence." Indians are not interested in annexing Pakistani territory nor are do they want to undo partition. Its too much headache for us, plus consider the impact such an action would have on our economy. It would take years if not decades to absorb the pathetic economic conditions presently prevailing not to mention the freelance gunmen freely roaming around.

To all my bros across the border..
"Apne paair itne phelao jitna lamba chadder!"

Man!

My attempt with posting the article was to show that there are peace loving voices on both sides of the fence. It was not my intent to show Pakistan in any sort of bad light. Pakistan is not particularly pathetic situation economically - they were ahead of until the economic reform, they were keeping pace until early last year. Militancy has been tougher on them than us for the year, but hardly something "pathetic". Smaller countries are usually buffeted around by economic crisis more than the larger ones, so the global crisis is harder on them compared to India (Similar to Ukraine/Russia , Dubai/UAE, Iceland/EU etc.).

 

[gubbi]

Man!

My attempt with posting the article was to show that there are peace loving voices on both sides of the fence. It was not my intent to show Pakistan in any sort of bad light. Pakistan is not particularly pathetic situation economically - they were ahead of until the economic reform, they were keeping pace until early last year. Militancy has been tougher on them than us for the year, but hardly something "pathetic". Smaller countries are usually buffeted around by economic crisis more than the larger ones, so the global crisis is harder on them compared to India (Similar to Ukraine/Russia , Dubai/UAE, Iceland/EU etc.).

i do agree with you my friend. I was talking about the economy of Pakistan at this stage, and comparing to a similar situation when East and West Germany got merged. The west German economy was strong but then still they had to absorb the bad east German economy which set their own finances back a few years.

I have also read about a few members reservations about "Akhand Bharat" ideology of some Indian political parties. Thats not gonna happen, as Pakistan is a sovereign nation in its own right with its own problems. The majority in India do not want any part of Pakistan annexed, coz that includes the population as well. Whatever militancy Pakistan is facing today is its own creation, well some 'external hand' may be cause of some incidents, but overall its their headache to be taken care of. Thats all I wanted to say.

 

[dabong1]

Secure in the belief that India does not have the option of going to war, Pakistani strategists do not consider it necessary to appease India and redress its grievance. Apparently they are not taking cognisance of the possibility that India may take measures short of war that may cause Pakistan a great deal of suffering.

Kashmir is the reason pakistan will not address any of indians grievances.


It can, for instance, interfere with the flow of water into Pakistan’s rivers, which originate in territories under India’s control, and thus ruin Pakistani agriculture and food production. Its secret agents can intervene in Pakistan’s unceasing internal turmoil to further disrupt its politics and society.

I think you know as well as i do that stopping the water will be the same as declaring war.

Many political observers in Pakistan believe that India has been a sworn enemy of this country from the day of its establishment as an independent state, wants to undo the partition or, failing that, it wants to destroy Pakistan.

Yes

There are doubtless certain militant Hindu groups in India that harbour such thoughts. But the same is probably not true of Indian officials, mainstream political parties and opinion makers. They see Pakistan as too troublesome a place to take over. They are reconciled to its separate existence.

You make out as if these "certain militant Hindu groups in India" are some sought of fringe group with no power......The BJP was running your country and there is enough times we have heard what they want to do to pakistan.

It is my impression that the dominant elites in India are willing to have Pakistan as a stable neighbour at peace within itself and with the outside world. It wants Pakistan as a “good neighbour”, meaning one that accepts its position as a relatively small power, does not insist on being India’s equal and rival, and does not oppose its drive to the role and status of a world power. It wants peace and amity and close cooperative relations with Pakistan, albeit, on these terms. One doubts that these terms will commend themselves to the powers that be in Pakistan in the foreseeable future. It may then be said that relations between these two neighbours are likely to remain under some degree of stress.

Lol.....its only the indians that see themselves as some sort of world power.......you have to understand that you will never be on the same scale as the US,China and russia ..your more on the level of brazil.
Its you that should be a good neighbour to all around you......ever thought why is it that all you neighbour dont like you?

 

[rubyjackass]

Secure in the belief that India does not have the option of going to war, Pakistani strategists do not consider it necessary to appease India and redress its grievance. Apparently they are not taking cognisance of the possibility that India may take measures short of war that may cause Pakistan a great deal of suffering.

Kashmir is the reason pakistan will not address any of indians grievances.


It can, for instance, interfere with the flow of water into Pakistan’s rivers, which originate in territories under India’s control, and thus ruin Pakistani agriculture and food production. Its secret agents can intervene in Pakistan’s unceasing internal turmoil to further disrupt its politics and society.

I think you know as well as i do that stopping the water will be the same as declaring war.

Many political observers in Pakistan believe that India has been a sworn enemy of this country from the day of its establishment as an independent state, wants to undo the partition or, failing that, it wants to destroy Pakistan.

Yes

There are doubtless certain militant Hindu groups in India that harbour such thoughts. But the same is probably not true of Indian officials, mainstream political parties and opinion makers. They see Pakistan as too troublesome a place to take over. They are reconciled to its separate existence.

You make out as if these "certain militant Hindu groups in India" are some sought of fringe group with no power......The BJP was running your country and there is enough times we have heard what they want to do to pakistan.

It is my impression that the dominant elites in India are willing to have Pakistan as a stable neighbour at peace within itself and with the outside world. It wants Pakistan as a “good neighbour”, meaning one that accepts its position as a relatively small power, does not insist on being India’s equal and rival, and does not oppose its drive to the role and status of a world power. It wants peace and amity and close cooperative relations with Pakistan, albeit, on these terms. One doubts that these terms will commend themselves to the powers that be in Pakistan in the foreseeable future. It may then be said that relations between these two neighbours are likely to remain under some degree of stress.

Lol.....its only the indians that see themselves as some sort of world power.......you have to understand that you will never be on the same scale as the US,China and russia and brazil.......your more on the level of brazil.
Its you that should be a good neighbour to all around you......ever thought why is it that all you neighbour dont like you?

See we have an example of 'political observer' mentioned in the editorial right here.

No offence bro. Take it with good humor

 

[Solomon2]

"This would suggest that the evidence which their interrogations had produced against the suspects was not enough to take them to court."

Didn't Pakistani officials already say that convictions will only occur on the basis of evidence supplied by India? Has anyone heard that evidence collected by Pakistani investigators will be used by the prosecution?

 

[wtf]

Its you that should be a good neighbour to all around you......ever thought why is it that all you neighbour dont like you?

The whole editorial is written by a Pakistani guy. It is not my personal viewpoint. And he does not think India is hated or hates Pakistan.

 

[qsaark]

Not a GREAT Editorial, just another editorial.

 

[wtf]

Has anyone heard that evidence collected by Pakistani investigators will be used by the prosecution?

I don't know how they'll take it to the courts without any evidence collected locally. In the common law, the judge remains neutral and does not investigate. It would be the job of prosecution to prove the case. Prosecution can collect evidence from Police or other sources.
They'll at least have to show evidence that the people they have arrested are who they claim to be. What more they'll do, I don't know.

 

[dabong1]

The whole editorial is written by a Pakistani guy. It is not my personal viewpoint. And he does not think India is hated or hates Pakistan.

So what if he is a pakistani...doesnt mean i have to agree with everything he says,do you agree with every statement if its made from a indian?
Why cant you understand that if kashmir was solved there would be no problem between the twn nations......the hatred is there and will always be there as long no fair and just soultion is reached on kashmir.

 

[wtf]

So what if he is a pakistani...doesnt mean i have to agree with everything he says,do you agree with every statement if its made from a indian?
Why cant you understand that if kashmir was solved there would be no problem between the twn nations......the hatred is there and will always be there as long no fair and just soultion is reached on kashmir.

Sorry, when you said that "you should understand" , I thought it was directed at me. If it is directed at the author I'll pass. Can I request you to say "he should understand" for greater clarity ?

 

[dabong1]

Sorry, when you said that "you should understand" , I thought it was directed at me. If it is directed at the author I'll pass. Can I request you to say "he should understand" for greater clarity ?

Sorry...... my fault

 

[spsk]

Its funny ... I don't think many of the Indian people are dreaming about becoming a super power/regional power in world . BJP was the first and only one to campaign like this and lost power

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Kurt Nimmo

Prison Planet.com
Sunday, December 7, 2008

It is becoming increasingly a hard sell to pin the blame for the Mumbai attacks on Pakistan and thus set the stage for an attack on Pakistan after Barack Obama enters the White House in a few weeks. It now appears Indian intelligence played a large part in the terrorist attacks. On Saturday, the Associated Press reported that a “counterinsurgency police officer who may have been on an undercover mission” was arrested for illegally buying mobile phone cards used by the gunmen.

The counterinsurgency operative, Mukhtar Ahmed, worked for the police in Indian Kashmir. “The implications of Ahmed’s involvement — that Indian agents may have been in touch with the militants and perhaps supplied the SIM cards used in the attacks — added to the growing list of questions over India’s ill-trained security forces, which are widely blamed for not thwarting the attacks,” reports the Associated Press.

In other words, Indian intelligence had penetrated Lashkar-e-Taiba and were running a false flag operation through the terrorist group, putatively connected to Pakistan’s ISI.

Indian police in the Kashmir city of Srinagar told Calcutta police that Ahmed is “our man and it’s now up to them how to facilitate his release,” said one senior officer speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the information. Other police officials in Kashmir supported his account, reports the Associated Press.


Indian intelligence staging false flag terror attacks and blaming them on Muslims is nothing new. On November 23, Andrew Buncombe, writing for the Independent, reported: “India is in something of a state of shock after learning from official sources that its first Hindu terror cell may have carried out a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims.” In addition to bombing attacks in the Muslim town of Malegaon in the western state of Maharashtra in September, the Hindu terror cells are allegedly responsible for last year’s bombing of a cross-border train en route to Pakistan, which killed 68 people, according to Buncombe.

It should be noted that the head of the Maharastrian Anti-Terrorist Squad making the allegations about Hindu false flag terrorism, Hemant Karkare, was assassinated as he led his team into the Hotel Taj Kahal during the Mumbai attacks. “Killed in the line of duty, Hemant Karare was targeted as the man who was an immense problem for the BJP the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party because his forthright investigation revealed Hindutva terrorism and he was not about to stop. Clearly this invalidated the BJP campaign rhetoric against Muslim terrorism, but the BJP will still use the emotional fervor of Hindutva to win against the Congress party,” writes Allen Heart for OpEdNews.

An exposé carried in a national daily published in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh alleges that Indian intelligence supported extremist Hindutvadis in their murderous Malegaon campaign with the cooperation of Israel’s Mossad. “The newspaper writes that relations between Mossad and CIA are world known,” notes the Pak Alert Press blog. “The national daily… has exposed that the officials of the national intelligence agencies have categorically stated that American secret service agency, CIA together with Israel’s secret organization Mossad, has carried out several secret operation all over Asia,” Pak Alert Press reports, translating from the original Urdu.

Indian intelligence, however, is no minor player and its foreign policy objectives currently parallel those of the CIA and Mossad in regard to covert destabilization in South Asia and elsewhere. “RAW the Research and Analysis Wing, the Indian version of the CIA , ever since its creation, has always been a vital, though unobtrusive, actor in Indian policy-making apparatus,” writes Isha Khan.

Since its creation in 1968, RAW has been “given a virtual carte blanche to conduct destabilization operations in neighboring countries inimical to India to seriously undertook restructuring of its organization accordingly. RAW was given a list of seven countries (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, Pakistan and Maldives) whom India considered its principal regional protagonists. It very soon systematically and brilliantly crafted covert operations in all these countries to coerce, destabilize and subvert them in consonance with the foreign policy objectives of the Indian Government.”

Specifically, RAW “considers Sindh as Pakistan’s soft under-belly. It has, therefore, made it the prime target for sabotage and subversion. RAW has enrolled and extensive network of agents and anti-government elements, and is convinced that with a little push restless Sindh will revolt. Taking fullest advantage of the agitation in Sindh in 1983 and the ethnic riots, which have continued till today, RAW has deeply penetrated and cultivated dissidents and secessionists, thereby creating hard-liners unlikely to allow peace to return to Sindh.” Sindh includes Urdu-speaking Muslim refugees who migrated to Pakistan from India upon independence.

It now appears obvious that India’s RAW with the help of the CIA and Israel’s Mossad created the current situation and have set-up Pakistan’s ISI to take the blame for the Mumbai attacks. Senator McCain, flanked by senators Joe Lieberman and Lindsay Graham, told Ejaz Haider, a senior editor with the Daily Times group, that it could be a “matter of days” before India carried out surgical air strikes if Pakistan did not act on the evidence provided to it on elements linked to the attacks, according to the Daily Star. “If the terrorists succeed in confounding relations between these two great countries, they will achieve their aim. We cannot let that happen,” McCain declared.

A conflict between the two nuclear armed nations may very well be the “international crisis, a generated crisis” Joe Biden mentioned in October that will “test” president Barack Obama.

In August, 2007, Obama said “the United States must be willing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan,” a comment that has led more than a few commentators to conclude that the U.S. will attack Pakistan in the coming months. It now appears the false flag Mumbai attacks, described as India’s “9/11,” will serve as a pretext to get the ball rolling on “surgical strikes” against Pakistan.


Arrest Provides More Evidence India, Israel, and the U.S. Behind Mumbai Attacks

 

[wtf]

Pakistan takes another Mumbai suspect into custody

Islamabad (AP): Pakistan's top civilian security official says authorities have arrested a fifth suspect in last year's deadly siege of Mumbai.

Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik says Shahid Jamil Riaz was arrested in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi.

Riaz is alleged to have maintained financial accounts and helped plan the November attack, which killed 164 people in India's commercial capital.

Mr. Malik further said on Monday that Pakistan needs more information from India to aid its investigation.

He says five of nine suspects are in custody. He did not say when Riaz was picked up.

The Hindu News Update Service
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Great to see some progress!

 

[IceCold]

The great irony is that the GOP continues to capture the so called mumbai terrorists and yet there is no sign of who attacked the Srilankan team of the police training center. Wow just great, with this kind of attitude surely we will progress and then people say the situation is hardly where one would need to say Good bye Pakistan.