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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan denied reports Thursday that a militant arrested last month had confessed to involvement in the Mumbai attacks, saying no conclusions could be made until investigations are complete.
The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday, citing unnamed officials, that authorities had obtained a confession from a key leader of the banned militant group Lashkar-i-Taiba, which India has blamed for the Mumbai attacks.
The suspect, Zarar Shah, allegedly told investigators he had played a key role in the planning of the deadly attacks that left 172 dead a story the unnamed security official said was backed up by US intercepts of phone calls.
But Pakistani interior ministry spokesman Shahidullah Baig told AFP: 'We have no such information. We don't accept that report.'
Pakistani police arrested Shah and another key LeT operative, Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, in the wake of the attacks as part of a series of raids against Jamaatud Dawa, widely seen as LeT's political wing.
Their arrests came after the United Nations Security Council classified Jamaatud Dawa as a terrorist organisation, obliging UN member states to freeze its assets and leading Islamabad to arrest several senior figures.
A senior government official told AFP Thursday that no conclusions could be drawn from Pakistan's investigations until India shares key evidence with Islamabad about the attacks.
The official, who asked not to be named, added that New Delhi has stated that its probe is ongoing.
Indian media reports have said that Lakhvi chose the team of 10 gunmen that perpetrated the attacks, while Shah allegedly arranged SIM cards and satellite phones used in the November 26-29 siege on India's financial capital.
When asked about the outcome of Pakistan's own investigation into the Mumbai attacks, foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq said: 'We are currently engaged in the process of our own investigation.'
He added: 'We also await evidence from India to enable our own investigations to make progress.'
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The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday, citing unnamed officials, that authorities had obtained a confession from a key leader of the banned militant group Lashkar-i-Taiba, which India has blamed for the Mumbai attacks.
The suspect, Zarar Shah, allegedly told investigators he had played a key role in the planning of the deadly attacks that left 172 dead a story the unnamed security official said was backed up by US intercepts of phone calls.
But Pakistani interior ministry spokesman Shahidullah Baig told AFP: 'We have no such information. We don't accept that report.'
Pakistani police arrested Shah and another key LeT operative, Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, in the wake of the attacks as part of a series of raids against Jamaatud Dawa, widely seen as LeT's political wing.
Their arrests came after the United Nations Security Council classified Jamaatud Dawa as a terrorist organisation, obliging UN member states to freeze its assets and leading Islamabad to arrest several senior figures.
A senior government official told AFP Thursday that no conclusions could be drawn from Pakistan's investigations until India shares key evidence with Islamabad about the attacks.
The official, who asked not to be named, added that New Delhi has stated that its probe is ongoing.
Indian media reports have said that Lakhvi chose the team of 10 gunmen that perpetrated the attacks, while Shah allegedly arranged SIM cards and satellite phones used in the November 26-29 siege on India's financial capital.
When asked about the outcome of Pakistan's own investigation into the Mumbai attacks, foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq said: 'We are currently engaged in the process of our own investigation.'
He added: 'We also await evidence from India to enable our own investigations to make progress.'
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Pakistan says no confession in Mumbai probe
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This statement is somewhat equivocal, in that it does not flatly say that Shah hasn't talked, rather that the authorities are not ready to state a "conclusion" until their investigation is "complete". He may have said that he did A, B and C but the authorities are not taking that at face value without further corroboration.
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India and Israel are trying really hard to get Gwadar port out of Pakistan. Go to this thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/18479-bla-being-supported-israel.html
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Pakistan denies confession in Mumbai probe
Friday, January 02, 2009
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan denied reports on Thursday that a militant arrested last month had confessed to involvement in the Mumbai attacks, saying no conclusions could be made until investigations are complete.
The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed officials, that authorities had obtained a confession from a key leader of the Lashkar-e-Taiba group. The suspect, Zarar Shah, allegedly told investigators that he had played a key role in the planning of the deadly attacks that left 172 people dead.
But Interior Ministry spokesman Shahidullah Baig told AFP: We have no such information. We dont accept that report. A senior government official told AFP on Thursday that no conclusions could be drawn from Pakistans investigations until India shares key evidence with Islamabad about the attacks.
The official, who asked not to be named, added that New Delhi had stated that its probe was ongoing. When asked about the outcome of the Pakistans own investigation into the Mumbai attacks, foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq said: We are currently engaged in the process of our own investigation. He added: We also await evidence from India to enable our own investigations to make progress.
Friday, January 02, 2009
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan denied reports on Thursday that a militant arrested last month had confessed to involvement in the Mumbai attacks, saying no conclusions could be made until investigations are complete.
The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed officials, that authorities had obtained a confession from a key leader of the Lashkar-e-Taiba group. The suspect, Zarar Shah, allegedly told investigators that he had played a key role in the planning of the deadly attacks that left 172 people dead.
But Interior Ministry spokesman Shahidullah Baig told AFP: We have no such information. We dont accept that report. A senior government official told AFP on Thursday that no conclusions could be drawn from Pakistans investigations until India shares key evidence with Islamabad about the attacks.
The official, who asked not to be named, added that New Delhi had stated that its probe was ongoing. When asked about the outcome of the Pakistans own investigation into the Mumbai attacks, foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq said: We are currently engaged in the process of our own investigation. He added: We also await evidence from India to enable our own investigations to make progress.
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US wants Mumbai suspects tried in Pakistan, not to call for extradition
By Anwar Iqbal, Dawn, 1/1/2008
WASHINGTON, Jan 1: The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
According to the sources, the Bush administration has informed the government of Pakistan that it would like it to initiate “prosecution with sufficient efforts to ensure conviction”.
This indicates a clear change in the US attitude which previously backed the Indian demand that some of the suspects be extradited to India. The change apparently has also been noticed in New Delhi where External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters on Thursday that the US pressure on Pakistan to act against the Mumbai perpetrators had “not produced tangible returns”.
Mr Mukherjee claimed that an FBI team currently in Pakistan had shared with Pakistani authorities “strong evidence” of Lashkar-e-Taiba’s involvement in the Mumbai attacks that left more than 170 dead and many more injured.
Mr Mukherjee insisted that an extradition treaty was not needed for handing over three suspects — Dawood Ibrahim, Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar and Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi of the Lashkar-e-Taiba that India says staged the Nov 26-29 attacks.
US officials had earlier supported the Indian demand but the change in their attitude followed a realisation in Washington that it would not be easy for the Pakistani government to extradite key Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders to India, sources said.
In their negotiations with US officials on this issue, the Pakistanis insisted that the extradition of Pakistani citizens to India — particularly when the two countries did not have an extradition treaty — would have unpredictable consequences for the government.
The Pakistanis argued that the resulting political instability would not only weaken the government but could also harm the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan as Pakistan played a key supporting role in this war.
The softening in US attitude is also linked to a crackdown in Pakistan on LeT and other militant groups. The move appears to have convinced Washington that Pakistan is serious about uprooting militant groups that use its territory for conducting attacks inside India and Afghanistan.
The Americans, who have stayed involved with the investigation, also noted with satisfaction that Pakistani authorities were seriously interrogating the suspects involved in the Mumbai attacks and looked determined to find out those responsible.
The New York Times, meanwhile, reported on Thursday that Pakistani authorities had obtained confessions from LeT members that they were involved in the Mumbai carnage.
The NYT quoted a Pakistani official as saying that the “most talkative” of the Lashkar leaders being interrogated is Zarar Shah, the group’s communications chief.
The Wall Street Journal had on Wednesday reported the news of Shah’s confession. NYT said Lakhvi is also said to be cooperating with investigators.
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By Anwar Iqbal, Dawn, 1/1/2008
WASHINGTON, Jan 1: The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
According to the sources, the Bush administration has informed the government of Pakistan that it would like it to initiate “prosecution with sufficient efforts to ensure conviction”.
This indicates a clear change in the US attitude which previously backed the Indian demand that some of the suspects be extradited to India. The change apparently has also been noticed in New Delhi where External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters on Thursday that the US pressure on Pakistan to act against the Mumbai perpetrators had “not produced tangible returns”.
Mr Mukherjee claimed that an FBI team currently in Pakistan had shared with Pakistani authorities “strong evidence” of Lashkar-e-Taiba’s involvement in the Mumbai attacks that left more than 170 dead and many more injured.
Mr Mukherjee insisted that an extradition treaty was not needed for handing over three suspects — Dawood Ibrahim, Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar and Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi of the Lashkar-e-Taiba that India says staged the Nov 26-29 attacks.
US officials had earlier supported the Indian demand but the change in their attitude followed a realisation in Washington that it would not be easy for the Pakistani government to extradite key Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders to India, sources said.
In their negotiations with US officials on this issue, the Pakistanis insisted that the extradition of Pakistani citizens to India — particularly when the two countries did not have an extradition treaty — would have unpredictable consequences for the government.
The Pakistanis argued that the resulting political instability would not only weaken the government but could also harm the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan as Pakistan played a key supporting role in this war.
The softening in US attitude is also linked to a crackdown in Pakistan on LeT and other militant groups. The move appears to have convinced Washington that Pakistan is serious about uprooting militant groups that use its territory for conducting attacks inside India and Afghanistan.
The Americans, who have stayed involved with the investigation, also noted with satisfaction that Pakistani authorities were seriously interrogating the suspects involved in the Mumbai attacks and looked determined to find out those responsible.
The New York Times, meanwhile, reported on Thursday that Pakistani authorities had obtained confessions from LeT members that they were involved in the Mumbai carnage.
The NYT quoted a Pakistani official as saying that the “most talkative” of the Lashkar leaders being interrogated is Zarar Shah, the group’s communications chief.
The Wall Street Journal had on Wednesday reported the news of Shah’s confession. NYT said Lakhvi is also said to be cooperating with investigators.
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US wants Mumbai suspects tried in Pakistan, not to call for extradition
By Anwar Iqbal, Dawn, 1/1/2008
WASHINGTON, Jan 1: The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
According to the sources, the Bush administration has informed the government of Pakistan that it would like it to initiate prosecution with sufficient efforts to ensure conviction.
This indicates a clear change in the US attitude which previously backed the Indian demand that some of the suspects be extradited to India. The change apparently has also been noticed in New Delhi where External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters on Thursday that the US pressure on Pakistan to act against the Mumbai perpetrators had not produced tangible returns.
Mr Mukherjee claimed that an FBI team currently in Pakistan had shared with Pakistani authorities strong evidence of Lashkar-e-Taibas involvement in the Mumbai attacks that left more than 170 dead and many more injured.
Mr Mukherjee insisted that an extradition treaty was not needed for handing over three suspects Dawood Ibrahim, Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar and Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi of the Lashkar-e-Taiba that India says staged the Nov 26-29 attacks.
US officials had earlier supported the Indian demand but the change in their attitude followed a realisation in Washington that it would not be easy for the Pakistani government to extradite key Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders to India, sources said.
In their negotiations with US officials on this issue, the Pakistanis insisted that the extradition of Pakistani citizens to India particularly when the two countries did not have an extradition treaty would have unpredictable consequences for the government.
The Pakistanis argued that the resulting political instability would not only weaken the government but could also harm the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan as Pakistan played a key supporting role in this war.
The softening in US attitude is also linked to a crackdown in Pakistan on LeT and other militant groups. The move appears to have convinced Washington that Pakistan is serious about uprooting militant groups that use its territory for conducting attacks inside India and Afghanistan.
The Americans, who have stayed involved with the investigation, also noted with satisfaction that Pakistani authorities were seriously interrogating the suspects involved in the Mumbai attacks and looked determined to find out those responsible.
The New York Times, meanwhile, reported on Thursday that Pakistani authorities had obtained confessions from LeT members that they were involved in the Mumbai carnage.
The NYT quoted a Pakistani official as saying that the most talkative of the Lashkar leaders being interrogated is Zarar Shah, the groups communications chief.
The Wall Street Journal had on Wednesday reported the news of Shahs confession. NYT said Lakhvi is also said to be cooperating with investigators.
By Anwar Iqbal, Dawn, 1/1/2008
WASHINGTON, Jan 1: The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
According to the sources, the Bush administration has informed the government of Pakistan that it would like it to initiate prosecution with sufficient efforts to ensure conviction.
This indicates a clear change in the US attitude which previously backed the Indian demand that some of the suspects be extradited to India. The change apparently has also been noticed in New Delhi where External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters on Thursday that the US pressure on Pakistan to act against the Mumbai perpetrators had not produced tangible returns.
Mr Mukherjee claimed that an FBI team currently in Pakistan had shared with Pakistani authorities strong evidence of Lashkar-e-Taibas involvement in the Mumbai attacks that left more than 170 dead and many more injured.
Mr Mukherjee insisted that an extradition treaty was not needed for handing over three suspects Dawood Ibrahim, Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar and Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi of the Lashkar-e-Taiba that India says staged the Nov 26-29 attacks.
US officials had earlier supported the Indian demand but the change in their attitude followed a realisation in Washington that it would not be easy for the Pakistani government to extradite key Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders to India, sources said.
In their negotiations with US officials on this issue, the Pakistanis insisted that the extradition of Pakistani citizens to India particularly when the two countries did not have an extradition treaty would have unpredictable consequences for the government.
The Pakistanis argued that the resulting political instability would not only weaken the government but could also harm the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan as Pakistan played a key supporting role in this war.
The softening in US attitude is also linked to a crackdown in Pakistan on LeT and other militant groups. The move appears to have convinced Washington that Pakistan is serious about uprooting militant groups that use its territory for conducting attacks inside India and Afghanistan.
The Americans, who have stayed involved with the investigation, also noted with satisfaction that Pakistani authorities were seriously interrogating the suspects involved in the Mumbai attacks and looked determined to find out those responsible.
The New York Times, meanwhile, reported on Thursday that Pakistani authorities had obtained confessions from LeT members that they were involved in the Mumbai carnage.
The NYT quoted a Pakistani official as saying that the most talkative of the Lashkar leaders being interrogated is Zarar Shah, the groups communications chief.
The Wall Street Journal had on Wednesday reported the news of Shahs confession. NYT said Lakhvi is also said to be cooperating with investigators.
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doin this is in the interest of not only india and israel but also US. it will be a strategic loss for these three countries if china gets access to arabian sea via gwadar. therefore dont expect registerin complaints with americans regarding indian involvement in destabalising pakistan will bear some gud results. we will have to do something ourselves if we want to deal with this situation. and for this we will have to deal with US presence in afghanistan otherwise all the results will be short term.
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Mumbai evidence given to Pakistan !
Mumbai evidence given to Pakistan
India has handed over evidence to Pakistan linking the Mumbai attacks to "elements" in that country, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee says.
Gunmen stormed multiple locations in Mumbai (Bombay) in November. At least 173 people died in the attacks.
Pakistan must act on the evidence and implement the bilateral commitments it has made to India, Mr Mukherjee said.
In the past, Pakistan has accused India of blaming it for militant attacks without giving any proof.
India again blamed Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) for the attacks.
LeT and the Pakistani government have denied any involvement.
Last month, Mr Mukherjee described militant groups in Pakistan as "the greatest danger to peace and security in the entire world".
He accused Islamabad of "denial" and "shifting the blame" for the deadly Mumbai attacks.
'Unpardonable crime'
"We have today handed over to Pakistan evidence of the links with elements in Pakistan of the terrorists who attacked Mumbai on 26 November, 2008," Mr Mukherjee said.
"What happened in Mumbai was an unpardonable crime," he said.
"As far as the government of Pakistan is concerned, we ask only that it implement the bilateral commitments that it has made at the highest levels to India, and practices her international obligations. These are clear," he added.
Mr Mukherjee said the evidence was handed over to the Pakistani high commissioner in Delhi by Indian Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon.
According to a press release issued by the Indian ministry of external affairs, the evidence includes "material from the interrogation of Mohammad Ajmal Qasab" - the sole surviving gunman from Mumbai attacks who is in Indian custody.
"Details of the terrorists' communication links with elements in Pakistan during the attack, recovered weapons and equipment, and data retrieved from recovered GPS and satellite phones" have also been handed over to Pakistan, the release says.
Gunmen stormed two Mumbai (Bombay) hotels, a crowded railway station, a Jewish outreach centre and a popular restaurant on 26 November.
The attacks lasted three days and left 173 people dead.
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Mumbai evidence given to Pakistan
India has handed over evidence to Pakistan linking the Mumbai attacks to "elements" in that country, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee says.
Gunmen stormed multiple locations in Mumbai (Bombay) in November. At least 173 people died in the attacks.
Pakistan must act on the evidence and implement the bilateral commitments it has made to India, Mr Mukherjee said.
In the past, Pakistan has accused India of blaming it for militant attacks without giving any proof.
India again blamed Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) for the attacks.
LeT and the Pakistani government have denied any involvement.
Last month, Mr Mukherjee described militant groups in Pakistan as "the greatest danger to peace and security in the entire world".
He accused Islamabad of "denial" and "shifting the blame" for the deadly Mumbai attacks.
'Unpardonable crime'
"We have today handed over to Pakistan evidence of the links with elements in Pakistan of the terrorists who attacked Mumbai on 26 November, 2008," Mr Mukherjee said.
"What happened in Mumbai was an unpardonable crime," he said.
"As far as the government of Pakistan is concerned, we ask only that it implement the bilateral commitments that it has made at the highest levels to India, and practices her international obligations. These are clear," he added.
Mr Mukherjee said the evidence was handed over to the Pakistani high commissioner in Delhi by Indian Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon.
According to a press release issued by the Indian ministry of external affairs, the evidence includes "material from the interrogation of Mohammad Ajmal Qasab" - the sole surviving gunman from Mumbai attacks who is in Indian custody.
"Details of the terrorists' communication links with elements in Pakistan during the attack, recovered weapons and equipment, and data retrieved from recovered GPS and satellite phones" have also been handed over to Pakistan, the release says.
Gunmen stormed two Mumbai (Bombay) hotels, a crowded railway station, a Jewish outreach centre and a popular restaurant on 26 November.
The attacks lasted three days and left 173 people dead.
Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Mumbai evidence given to Pakistan
Published: 2009/01/05 05:39:39 GMT
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Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
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Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
Tunku Varadarajan, 01.05.09, 12:00 AM ET
Over the last week, many Americans (and Indians) have asked me why India does not "do a Gaza" on Pakistan, referring, of course, to an emulation of Israel's punitive use of force against Hamas-run Palestine, a territory from which rockets rain down on Israeli soil with reliable frequency (if not reliable destructiveness ... but that is not for want of Hamas intent).
My answer, given with the heavy heart that comes always with a painful grip on reality, is simple: India does not because it cannot.
Here are five reasons why:
1. India is not a military goliath in relation to Pakistan in the way Israel is to the Palestinian territories. India does not have the immunity, the confidence and the military free hand that result from an overwhelming military superiority over an opponent. Israel's foe is a non-sovereign entity that enjoys the most precarious form of self-governance. Pakistan, for all its dysfunction, is a proper country with a proper army, superior by far to the tin-pot Arab forces that Israel has had to combat over time. Pakistan has nukes, to boot. Any assault on Pakistani territory carries with it an apocalyptic risk for India. This is, in fact, Pakistan's trump card. (This explains, also, why Israel is determined to prevent the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran.)
2. Even if India could attack Pakistan without fear of nuclear retaliation, the rationale for "doing a Gaza" is, arguably, not fully present: Israel had been attacked consistently by the very force--Hamas--that was in political control of the territory from which the attacks occurred. By contrast, terrorist attacks on India, while originating in Pakistan, are not authored by the Pakistani government. India can-- and does--contend that Pakistan's government should shut down the terrorist training camps on Pakistani soil. (In this insistence, India has unequivocal support from Washington.) Yet only a consistent and demonstrable pattern of dereliction by Pakistani authorities-- which would need to be dereliction verging on complicity with the terrorists--would furnish India with sufficient grounds to hold the Pakistani state culpable.
3. As our columnist, Karlyn Bowman, writes Israel enjoys impressive support from the American people, in contrast to the Palestinians. No other state--apart, perhaps, from Britain--evokes as much favor in American public opinion as does Israel. This is not merely the result of the much-vaunted "Israel lobby" (to use a label deployed by its detractors), but also because of the very real depth of cultural interpenetration between American and Israeli society. This fraternal feeling buys Israel an enviable immunity in the conduct of its strategic defense. India, by contrast--while considerably more admired and favored in American public opinion than Pakistan--enjoys scarcely a fraction of Israel's "pull" in Washington when it comes to questions of the use of force beyond its borders.
4. Pakistan is strategically significant to the United States; the Palestinians are not. This gives Washington scant incentive to rein in the Israelis, but a major incentive to rein in any Indian impulse to strike at Pakistan. However justified the Indian anger against Pakistan over the recent invasion of Mumbai by Pakistani terrorists, the last thing that the U.S. wants right now is an attack--no matter how surgical--by India against Pakistan-based terror camps. This would almost certainly result in a wholesale shift of Pakistani troops away from their western, Afghan front toward the eastern boundary with India--and would leave the American Afghan campaign in some considerable disarray, at least in the short term. So Washington has asked for, and received, the gift of Indian patience. And although India recognizes that it is not wholly without options to mobilize quickly for punitive, surgical strikes in a "strategic space," it would--right now--settle for a trial of the accused terrorist leaders in U.S. courts. (Seven U.S. citizens were killed in Mumbai: Under U.S. law, those responsible--and this should include Pakistani intelligence masterminds--have to be brought to justice.)
5. My last, and meta-, point: Israel has the privilege of an international pariah to ignore international public opinion in its use of force against the Palestinians. A state with which few others have diplomatic relations can turn the tables on those that would anathematize it by saying, Hang diplomacy. India, by contrast, has no such luxury. It is a prisoner of its own global aspirations--and pretensions.
Tunku Varadarajan, a professor at the Stern Business School at NYU and research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, is opinions editor at Forbes.com, where he writes a weekly column.
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Five Reasons Why India Can't 'Do A Gaza' On Pakistan
Tunku Varadarajan, 01.05.09, 12:00 AM ET
Over the last week, many Americans (and Indians) have asked me why India does not "do a Gaza" on Pakistan, referring, of course, to an emulation of Israel's punitive use of force against Hamas-run Palestine, a territory from which rockets rain down on Israeli soil with reliable frequency (if not reliable destructiveness ... but that is not for want of Hamas intent).
My answer, given with the heavy heart that comes always with a painful grip on reality, is simple: India does not because it cannot.
Here are five reasons why:
1. India is not a military goliath in relation to Pakistan in the way Israel is to the Palestinian territories. India does not have the immunity, the confidence and the military free hand that result from an overwhelming military superiority over an opponent. Israel's foe is a non-sovereign entity that enjoys the most precarious form of self-governance. Pakistan, for all its dysfunction, is a proper country with a proper army, superior by far to the tin-pot Arab forces that Israel has had to combat over time. Pakistan has nukes, to boot. Any assault on Pakistani territory carries with it an apocalyptic risk for India. This is, in fact, Pakistan's trump card. (This explains, also, why Israel is determined to prevent the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran.)
2. Even if India could attack Pakistan without fear of nuclear retaliation, the rationale for "doing a Gaza" is, arguably, not fully present: Israel had been attacked consistently by the very force--Hamas--that was in political control of the territory from which the attacks occurred. By contrast, terrorist attacks on India, while originating in Pakistan, are not authored by the Pakistani government. India can-- and does--contend that Pakistan's government should shut down the terrorist training camps on Pakistani soil. (In this insistence, India has unequivocal support from Washington.) Yet only a consistent and demonstrable pattern of dereliction by Pakistani authorities-- which would need to be dereliction verging on complicity with the terrorists--would furnish India with sufficient grounds to hold the Pakistani state culpable.
3. As our columnist, Karlyn Bowman, writes Israel enjoys impressive support from the American people, in contrast to the Palestinians. No other state--apart, perhaps, from Britain--evokes as much favor in American public opinion as does Israel. This is not merely the result of the much-vaunted "Israel lobby" (to use a label deployed by its detractors), but also because of the very real depth of cultural interpenetration between American and Israeli society. This fraternal feeling buys Israel an enviable immunity in the conduct of its strategic defense. India, by contrast--while considerably more admired and favored in American public opinion than Pakistan--enjoys scarcely a fraction of Israel's "pull" in Washington when it comes to questions of the use of force beyond its borders.
4. Pakistan is strategically significant to the United States; the Palestinians are not. This gives Washington scant incentive to rein in the Israelis, but a major incentive to rein in any Indian impulse to strike at Pakistan. However justified the Indian anger against Pakistan over the recent invasion of Mumbai by Pakistani terrorists, the last thing that the U.S. wants right now is an attack--no matter how surgical--by India against Pakistan-based terror camps. This would almost certainly result in a wholesale shift of Pakistani troops away from their western, Afghan front toward the eastern boundary with India--and would leave the American Afghan campaign in some considerable disarray, at least in the short term. So Washington has asked for, and received, the gift of Indian patience. And although India recognizes that it is not wholly without options to mobilize quickly for punitive, surgical strikes in a "strategic space," it would--right now--settle for a trial of the accused terrorist leaders in U.S. courts. (Seven U.S. citizens were killed in Mumbai: Under U.S. law, those responsible--and this should include Pakistani intelligence masterminds--have to be brought to justice.)
5. My last, and meta-, point: Israel has the privilege of an international pariah to ignore international public opinion in its use of force against the Palestinians. A state with which few others have diplomatic relations can turn the tables on those that would anathematize it by saying, Hang diplomacy. India, by contrast, has no such luxury. It is a prisoner of its own global aspirations--and pretensions.
Tunku Varadarajan, a professor at the Stern Business School at NYU and research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, is opinions editor at Forbes.com, where he writes a weekly column.
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January 05, 2009 Monday Muharram 07, 1430
India seeks US support for extradition demand
By Anwar Iqbal
WASHINGTON, Jan 4: The United States is once again being pushed into playing a major role in an India-Pakistan dispute this time by New Delhi which wants Washington to persuade Islamabad to hand over Mumbai terror suspects.
India is sending a special emissary Home Minister P. Chidambaram to Washington this week as part of a global diplomatic offensive aimed at isolating Pakistan.
Washington is also sending its pointsman for South Asia, Assistant Secretary Richard Boucher, to the region for defusing tensions between the two nuclear neighbours.
Even before embarking upon his journey, Mr Chidambaram indicated a major change in Indias position. So far India seemed inclined to accept the Pakistani claim that if there was a Pakistani involvement, it was at the level of non-state actors.
But Mr Chidambaram now insists that the sophistication of the Mumbai attack points to the involvement of state actors in Pakistan.
Diplomatic observers in Washington believe that this change in Indias attitude is not necessarily linked to the irrefutable evidence of Pakistans involvement that Mr Chidambaram claims to have unearthed.
Instead, his statement aims at convincing Washington that it needs to back the Indian demand that Pakistan hand over the suspects to India.
Diplomatic observers say that initially, the Indians did receive some support but at a certain point the Americans stopped when they realised that pushing Pakistan beyond that point could be counter-productive.
The observers noted that while Pakistan was not yet out of trouble; it had succeeded in strongly conveying its message to the United States on two major points: no Pakistani state actor was involved in the Mumbai attacks and that no Pakistani government could afford to hand over Pakistani citizens to India. The political backlash of such an action would be so severe that no government could risk it.
Reports in the US and Indian media also indicate that the Pakistanis were unusually frank in telling the Americans how they would react if India launched air strikes inside Pakistan to destroy suspected terrorist targets.
One such report claims that this issue was discussed candidly between Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen and Pakistans Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani when the admiral visited Pakistan last month.
When asked to stand down for a bit, General Kayani showed Admiral Mullen a picture of an IAF Mirage-2000 locked in the sights of a Pakistani F-16. Admiral Mullen was informed that We will shoot down the next one that violates Pakistani airspace. The Indian Air Force has since then backed off, the report said.
Other media reports noted that in the meeting the Pakistanis also showed Admiral Mullen the evidence of Indias involvement in fomenting troubles in Fata and Balochistan.
The observers noted that the Pakistani establishment also used the media to convey its message. Reports published in US newspapers after the Mumbai attacks often quoted retired Pakistani generals as saying that if Pakistan feared defeat in a conventional war, it would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons.
Such statements while condemned as sabre-rattling did invoke the fear that an Indian attack on Pakistan could ultimately lead to a nuclear conflict in one of the worlds most populous region.
But observers in Washington say that the US reluctance to push Islamabad beyond a certain point also reflects Washingtons desire to seriously implement its policy of de-hyphenation, i.e. to pursue truly independent relations with both India and Pakistan.
Mr Boucher referred to this policy when defending the US decision to sign a nuclear deal with India, saying that signing any deal with India does not necessarily mean that the United States was obliged to reach a similar deal with Pakistan.
Similarly, when the Indians objected to granting the status of a major non-Nato ally to Pakistan or to selling F-16 aircraft, the Americans reminded them that their defence arrangements with Pakistan were independent from their friendship with India.
The policy underlines a realisation in Washington that both India and Pakistan are crucial for protecting US interests in South Asia and thats why observers believe that Washington will not do much to persuade Pakistan to hand over the Mumbai terror suspects to India.
The DAWN Media Group
India seeks US support for extradition demand -DAWN - Top Stories; January 05, 2009
India seeks US support for extradition demand
By Anwar Iqbal
WASHINGTON, Jan 4: The United States is once again being pushed into playing a major role in an India-Pakistan dispute this time by New Delhi which wants Washington to persuade Islamabad to hand over Mumbai terror suspects.
India is sending a special emissary Home Minister P. Chidambaram to Washington this week as part of a global diplomatic offensive aimed at isolating Pakistan.
Washington is also sending its pointsman for South Asia, Assistant Secretary Richard Boucher, to the region for defusing tensions between the two nuclear neighbours.
Even before embarking upon his journey, Mr Chidambaram indicated a major change in Indias position. So far India seemed inclined to accept the Pakistani claim that if there was a Pakistani involvement, it was at the level of non-state actors.
But Mr Chidambaram now insists that the sophistication of the Mumbai attack points to the involvement of state actors in Pakistan.
Diplomatic observers in Washington believe that this change in Indias attitude is not necessarily linked to the irrefutable evidence of Pakistans involvement that Mr Chidambaram claims to have unearthed.
Instead, his statement aims at convincing Washington that it needs to back the Indian demand that Pakistan hand over the suspects to India.
Diplomatic observers say that initially, the Indians did receive some support but at a certain point the Americans stopped when they realised that pushing Pakistan beyond that point could be counter-productive.
The observers noted that while Pakistan was not yet out of trouble; it had succeeded in strongly conveying its message to the United States on two major points: no Pakistani state actor was involved in the Mumbai attacks and that no Pakistani government could afford to hand over Pakistani citizens to India. The political backlash of such an action would be so severe that no government could risk it.
Reports in the US and Indian media also indicate that the Pakistanis were unusually frank in telling the Americans how they would react if India launched air strikes inside Pakistan to destroy suspected terrorist targets.
One such report claims that this issue was discussed candidly between Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen and Pakistans Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani when the admiral visited Pakistan last month.
When asked to stand down for a bit, General Kayani showed Admiral Mullen a picture of an IAF Mirage-2000 locked in the sights of a Pakistani F-16. Admiral Mullen was informed that We will shoot down the next one that violates Pakistani airspace. The Indian Air Force has since then backed off, the report said.
Other media reports noted that in the meeting the Pakistanis also showed Admiral Mullen the evidence of Indias involvement in fomenting troubles in Fata and Balochistan.
The observers noted that the Pakistani establishment also used the media to convey its message. Reports published in US newspapers after the Mumbai attacks often quoted retired Pakistani generals as saying that if Pakistan feared defeat in a conventional war, it would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons.
Such statements while condemned as sabre-rattling did invoke the fear that an Indian attack on Pakistan could ultimately lead to a nuclear conflict in one of the worlds most populous region.
But observers in Washington say that the US reluctance to push Islamabad beyond a certain point also reflects Washingtons desire to seriously implement its policy of de-hyphenation, i.e. to pursue truly independent relations with both India and Pakistan.
Mr Boucher referred to this policy when defending the US decision to sign a nuclear deal with India, saying that signing any deal with India does not necessarily mean that the United States was obliged to reach a similar deal with Pakistan.
Similarly, when the Indians objected to granting the status of a major non-Nato ally to Pakistan or to selling F-16 aircraft, the Americans reminded them that their defence arrangements with Pakistan were independent from their friendship with India.
The policy underlines a realisation in Washington that both India and Pakistan are crucial for protecting US interests in South Asia and thats why observers believe that Washington will not do much to persuade Pakistan to hand over the Mumbai terror suspects to India.
The DAWN Media Group
India seeks US support for extradition demand -DAWN - Top Stories; January 05, 2009
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‘State actors from Pakistan involved in attacks’
NEW DELHI: The sophistication of the Mumbai attack points to the involvement of ‘state actors’ in Pakistan, India’s Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said on Sunday.
‘Somebody who is familiar with intelligence and who is familiar with commando operations has directed this operation,’ Chidambaram told NDTV news channel.
‘And that cannot entirely be a non-state actor. In fact, I presume they are state actors or state-assisted actors unless the contrary is proved,’ he added.
‘It was too enormous a crime and required very elaborate planning, communication networks, financial backing. It was a very, very sophisticated operation.’
Chidambaram said he would travel to Washington this week with evidence linking Pakistan to the deadly Mumbai.
Chidambaram told newspapers in New Delhi he would take ‘overwhelming’ and ‘unanswerable’ proof to Washington for discussions with US officials.
‘The evidence leads to the conclusion that the plot was hatched in Pakistan and as the operation in Mumbai was on, it was masterminded and controlled from Pakistan,’ the Indian Express quoted Chidambaram as saying.
Indian officials said Chidambaram could meet top US Homeland Security officials and possibly also Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and members of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team.
‘It is a detailed dossier, supported by electronic evidence like transcripts and intercepts and interrogation reports,’ Chidambaram said.
Police say Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the sole Mumbai attacker arrested alive, has confessed to being a Pakistani national.
‘Today we have Ajmal Kasab in our custody... his DNA is available... now there is a person in Faridkot village in Pakistan who says ‘I am his father...’ his DNA is available in Pakistan,’ Chidambaram said.
‘So if somebody matches the DNA...we will know who is right and who is wrong.’
Chidambaram said India now wanted ‘cast iron guarantees’ that no state or non-state actor would be allowed to use Pakistani soil or resources to attack India.
‘The price they will pay if this (Mumbai incident) is repeated will be enormous,’ Chidambaram said, in the sternest warning yet to Pakistan.
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NEW DELHI: The sophistication of the Mumbai attack points to the involvement of ‘state actors’ in Pakistan, India’s Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said on Sunday.
‘Somebody who is familiar with intelligence and who is familiar with commando operations has directed this operation,’ Chidambaram told NDTV news channel.
‘And that cannot entirely be a non-state actor. In fact, I presume they are state actors or state-assisted actors unless the contrary is proved,’ he added.
‘It was too enormous a crime and required very elaborate planning, communication networks, financial backing. It was a very, very sophisticated operation.’
Chidambaram said he would travel to Washington this week with evidence linking Pakistan to the deadly Mumbai.
Chidambaram told newspapers in New Delhi he would take ‘overwhelming’ and ‘unanswerable’ proof to Washington for discussions with US officials.
‘The evidence leads to the conclusion that the plot was hatched in Pakistan and as the operation in Mumbai was on, it was masterminded and controlled from Pakistan,’ the Indian Express quoted Chidambaram as saying.
Indian officials said Chidambaram could meet top US Homeland Security officials and possibly also Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and members of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team.
‘It is a detailed dossier, supported by electronic evidence like transcripts and intercepts and interrogation reports,’ Chidambaram said.
Police say Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the sole Mumbai attacker arrested alive, has confessed to being a Pakistani national.
‘Today we have Ajmal Kasab in our custody... his DNA is available... now there is a person in Faridkot village in Pakistan who says ‘I am his father...’ his DNA is available in Pakistan,’ Chidambaram said.
‘So if somebody matches the DNA...we will know who is right and who is wrong.’
Chidambaram said India now wanted ‘cast iron guarantees’ that no state or non-state actor would be allowed to use Pakistani soil or resources to attack India.
‘The price they will pay if this (Mumbai incident) is repeated will be enormous,’ Chidambaram said, in the sternest warning yet to Pakistan.
http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect...tea-actors-from-pakistan-linked-to-attacks-ha
These evidences merely based on the statements maid by Ajmal Kasab, nothing new, same crap as usual, i do not know what world these indians live in? who is this guy, could be indian, but statements narrated from him descent onto pakistan as he is pakistani, if any Indian on this forum, plz let me know is this is what general indain population think? is it not illusion than reality!
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