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Before you merely dismiss out of hand the 'joint investgation', when were these 'Joint Anti-Terrorism efforts' initiated, and what tangible 'effort' was made in this respect, what goals were set?

We cannot make a comparison or use one to invalidate the other unless we know what the JAT efforts were comprise of.

Secondly, an investigation into the Mumbai attacks would for obvious reasons be different than the more general and vague JAT.

I have to find the links for original JAT agreement. You can find some information this news clip

Indo-Pak anti-terror mechanism moot today

* Pakistan likely to press India to share details on Samjhota tragedy

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: The third meeting of the Pakistan-India Joint Anti-Terrorism Mechanism (JATM) is being held here today (Tuesday) to increase counter-terrorism efforts and share information to find the perpetrators of terrorism in both countries.

Foreign Office spokesman Muhammad Sadiq confirmed the convening of the third meeting of Joint Anti-Terrorism Mechanism. He said the Indian team would arrive early on Tuesday and go to the Foreign Office for a formal meeting, starting at 11am.

Additional Secretary (Political & International Organisations) Indian Ministry of External Affairs Vivek Katju would lead the Indian delegation and Additional Secretary (Asia & Pacific) Ministry of Foreign Affairs Masood Khalid would lead the Pakistani side.

Tragedy: Sources said Pakistan would press India to share the details of the Samjhota train tragedy in which more than 50 passengers, mostly Pakistanis, were killed. India had assured Pakistan it will share its findings on the terrorist act.

India might ask Pakistan for specific information on Mumbai, Ajmer and Hyderabad bomb incidents in which a number of lives were lost. “India might also ask for certain information about the recent Jaipur bomb blast,” the sources said.

The last meeting of the JATM was held in New Delhi on October 22, 2007. The mechanism was set up as result of September 2006 Havana meeting of President Pervez Musharraf and Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh.

Earlier the composite dialogue between the two countries had been suspended in the wake of the July 13 2006 Mumbai train bombing in which more than 100 people were killed. The two leaders decided to formulate a mechanism to stop the “blame game” culture that existed between the two and co-ordinate to stop terrorism in the region.

The purpose of the JATM is to provide a proper forum for co-operation in sharing information to stop terrorist acts, and investigate terror activities with the aim of finding the perpetrators behind such attacks. Though the JATM has met several times previously, so far no credible information has been shared due to suspicion surrounding both countries from both sides.


Till now nothing has come out of this, both ways. What tangible effort were taken in this regard is still unknown. I think given this experience, there is a high chance that India will not agree for a Joint-Investigation.
 
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i aint getting your point. kindly clarify.. whose molen.. ?? you address them like they are your best friends..
 
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sorry i didnt about him.. who is he..?

Admiral Michael Mullen, head of US miltary.


Wed Dec 3, 2008

ISLAMABAD (AFP) – The head of the US military asked Pakistan Wednesday to thoroughly investigate any role militant groups based in Pakistan may have had in last week's Mumbai attacks.

Admiral Michael Mullen held talks with President Asif Ali Zardari and Pakistan's top security and military leadership amid US efforts to calm tensions between Islamabad and New Delhi in the wake of the deadly assault.

According to the US embassy, Mullen "urged them to investigate aggressively any and all possible ties to groups based in Pakistan," which has vowed to work jointly with India to probe the attacks, in which 188 people were killed.

"All agreed that the tragedy in Mumbai represents a dangerous escalation in the sophistication of extremist attacks and an increased threat to the entire region," the embassy said in a statement.

Mullen's comments came after US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during a visit to New Delhi that Pakistan should "cooperate fully and transparently" with India's investigation into the coordinated strike.

Rice is due to fly to Islamabad on Thursday to hold talks with Pakistani leaders, officials here said, without elaborating.

Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also used the talks to urge Pakistan to do more in the battle against Al-Qaeda-linked militants based in its tribal belt bordering Afghanistan.

Pakistan has pledged to assist in the Mumbai probe and has offered to set up a joint investigation mechanism to get to the bottom of the tragedy, which has threatened a slow-moving peace process between the nuclear-armed rivals.

While Indian and US officials have said the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba was likely behind the attacks, President Zardari has denied Islamabad had any involvement.

"I think these are stateless actors who have been operating throughout the region. The gunmen, whoever they are, they are all stateless actors who are holding hostage the whole world," he told CNN television.

The United States is particularly concerned about any military stand-off with India that might see Pakistan move troops from its western border with Afghanistan -- a crucial battleground in the US "war on terror."

India has demanded Pakistan arrest and extradite 20 terror suspects, including the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hafiz Saeed.

Others named were Maulana Masood Azhar, chief of the Jaish-e-Mohammed rebel group, and Dawood Ibrahim, who is wanted in India on charges of masterminding serial bombings in Mumbai in 1993 that killed around 300 people.

Pakistan has suggested setting up a "joint investigation mechanism" but says it wants concrete proof that all the attackers were Pakistanis.
 
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ISLAMABAD (December 03 2008): Pakistan on Tuesday again offered Indian government to carry out joint investigation of the Mumbai carnage to unearth the real culprits behind the incident. While giving a policy statement, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi strongly condemned the incident, and said no justification could be given for such a horrendous act.

He said Pakistan was willing to fully cooperate with India in investigation of the Mumbai attacks. He termed the terrorism as a major challenge of the times, and said it was common enemy that needed to be tackled through joint efforts. The Foreign Minister said the region was passing through a critical phase and both the sides needed to show tolerance, seriousness and patience and avoid from finger pointing.

He said the prevailing situation did not allow any irresponsible act by any side, and added that there should be no blame game and finger pointing from any side. Qureshi said Pakistan's response and attitude on this issue was balanced, measured and conciliatory.

The Minister said the government of Pakistan had offered a joint investigative mechanism and initiative to probe the matter. He said: "The composite dialogue process between Pakistan and India was progressing at a good pace and it was important that the two sides continue it."

Referring to the national conference on security, being convened by Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani here on Wednesday, he said that it aimed at consulting the political leadership of the country to take them into confidence on this issue.

The Minister thanked the politicians, who have accepted the invitation of the Prime Minister to attend the important conference, and added the government was keen to listen to the proposals and ideas of the politicians. He said it was vital that the nation today stood united at this critical juncture. He asked the nation not to worry as the nation, the armed forces and the government were united to defend the ideological and geographical frontiers of the country.
 
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ISLAMABAD (December 03 2008): There is no Ajmal Ameer Kasab in the record of National Database and Registration Authority (Nadra) residing in village Faridkot of Khanewal district of Southern Punjab as alleged by Indian law enforcement agencies and media. Records of three persons named Ajmal were found in the record of Nadra.

According to the records available with Nadra, one Ajmal has died, while two others are working in Faridkot village, well placed sources in Nadra told Business Recorder on Tuesday. They said that Ajmal son of Shafi died a few years back, while Ajmal son of Haq Nawaz is a labourer and Ajmal son of Ahmed Bakhsh are alive.

On the directives of some higher authorities, Nadra held a thorough search of its database to get any clue about the alleged gunman, Indian law enforcement agencies have detained in Mumbai attacks.

When asked about any information about Ajmal Ameer Kasab, the Nadra officials said that there is no person registered with Nadra namely Ajmal Ameer Kasab from Faridkot village. The record of Akmal son of Jalaluddin was found in this village, who have died 25 years back and no person in the village has the name Ameer or Azam.

It is just a face saving by Indian law enforcement agencies and media to hide the failure of Indian intelligence agencies, they said, adding that there is no clear name they have given of the alleged gunman, as they gave the names like, Azam Amir Kasav, Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman, Ajmal Qasab, Ajmal Amir Kamal, Ajmal Amir Kasab, Azam Ameer Qasab, Mohammad Ajmal Qasam, Ajmal Mohammed Amir Kasab, Mohammad Ajmal Amir Kasar and Amjad Amir Kamaal.

It is also learnt that for the last three days police and officials of other law enforcement agencies have been combing this sleepy village in search of clues to the identity of the lone gunman captured in the Mumbai terror attacks, sources said, adding that besides LEAs, national and international media has picketed in Faridkot to find any clue about the alleged gunman.

But so far they all have failed to get any clue of any such person as the village elders told reporters that all the people in this village are settled before the partition and from that time not a single person visited India nor anyone from India visited this village.
 
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India is repeating again and again that arrested "militant" is from Pakistan because he said so. I agree with Asim that they need to bring him on TV.



What is the use of bringing him in front of camera?. He might be assassinated given the value of this guy in the investigations. FBI, Scotland-yard and Israeli authorities have already started interrogating him.
 
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Ex-U.S. Official Cites Pakistani Training for India Attackers

WASHINGTON — A former Defense Department official said Wednesday that American intelligence agencies had determined that former officers from Pakistan’s Army and its powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency helped train the Mumbai attackers.

But the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that no specific links had been uncovered yet between the terrorists and the Pakistani government.

His disclosure came as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice held meetings with Indian leaders in New Delhi and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met with their Pakistani counterparts in Islamabad, in a two-pronged effort to pressure Pakistan to cooperate fully in the effort to track down those responsible for the bloody attacks in Mumbai last week.

Also on Wednesday, a “fully functional” bomb was found and defused at a major Mumbai train station that had reopened days earlier, the Mumbai authorities announced. The discovery raised terrifying questions about why the authorities had failed to find it all this time.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people marched through Mumbai, both mourning the at least 173 dead and protesting the failures of Indian politicians and security services to protect citizens.

Ms. Rice strove to balance demands on both countries. She said that Pakistan had a “special responsibility” to cooperate with India and help prevent attacks in the future, here and elsewhere. At the same time, she warned India against hasty reaction that would yield what she called “unintended consequences.”

“The response of the Pakistani government should be one of cooperation and of action,” she said at an evening news conference in New Delhi with her Indian counterpart, Pranab Mukherjee. “Any response needs to be judged by its effectiveness in prevention and also by not creating other unintended consequences or difficulties.”

Mr. Mukherjee said his government was convinced that the attackers and their “controllers” came from Pakistan. He said he had conveyed to Ms. Rice “the feeling of anger and deep outrage in India” and said that his government was prepared to act “with all the means at our disposal” to protect Indian territory and citizens.

Both American and Indian authorities have concluded that there was little doubt that the Mumbai attacks were directed by militants inside Pakistan, and Indian officials have said they have identified three or four masterminds of the attack, including a leader of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Yusuf Muzzamil.

But Ms. Rice said it was premature to comment on whether any particular organization was responsible for the attacks on India’s financial and entertainment capital. She described the assault last week as distinct from others that had struck India since it targeted high-profile targets, including those frequented by foreigners, and appeared to be designed to “send a message.”

Ms. Rice said Pakistan had assured her that it would cooperate with India in its search for those responsible for the slaughter in Mumbai. She said President Asif Ali Zardari “has told me he will follow leads wherever they go” but she made clear that Washington expected him to do so wholeheartedly.

“This is a time for everybody to cooperate and to do so transparently, and this is especially a time for Pakistan to do so,” she said.

Lashkar-e-Taiba is officially banned in Pakistan, but it has been linked to the country’s powerful intelligence service and is believed to have moved its militant networks to Pakistan’s tribal areas.

For the moment, Mr. Zardari is playing down any links to Pakistan, including the Indian identification of the surviving attacker as a Pakistani. “We have not been given any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt that he’s a Pakistani,” Mr. Zardari told CNN’s “Larry King Live,” saying that his government would take action if India produced evidence to support the claim.

He also indicated that he would turn down an Indian demand, made on Monday night, to hand over about 20 fugitives, some of them linked to organized crime, said by India to be living in Pakistan. Rather, Mr. Zardari said, they would be tried in Pakistani courts if there were evidence to support a trial.

In Islamabad, Admiral Mullen met with President Zardari; the Pakistani national security adviser, Mahmud Ali Durrani; and several top military officials, including the Army chief of staff, Gen. Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani, and the new intelligence chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

Admiral Mullen pressed the Pakistani leaders to crack down on Lashkar-e-Taiba’s network of training camps, including those in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, and the organization’s guerrilla recruiting efforts, an American military official said.

In New Delhi, response to a question, Ms. Rice said that the sophistication and choice of targets in Mumbai distinguished it from previous attacks. Earlier in the day, also in response to a question, Ms. Rice was asked about any possible involvement by Al Qaeda. “Whether there is a direct Al Qaeda hand or not, this is clearly the kind of terror in which Al Qaeda participates,” she said.

The bomb was found in a bag the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, the old Victoria station, one of the sites singled out for attack last week. It held about 20 pounds of explosives and was rigged with a timer, the Indian authorities said, but it was not clear whether it had not been activated or had malfunctioned.

The bag, apparently left behind by the attackers a week ago, had been collected along with a large pile of luggage that passengers had abandoned as they fled. That is where the police found it on Wednesday.

The station has been open for days, with thousands of passengers streaming through, and the discovery raised new questions about the capability of Indian security services.

There were conflicting accounts about how the bomb were found. Some reports said that the police had been tipped off by the surviving attacker, but others said a sniffer dog found it during a routine sweep of the abandoned luggage ahead of an officials visit. It was rendered neutral on the spot, the authorities said, and then subsequently removed for analysis. Train service was not disrupted for the maneuvers.

Ms. Rice’s diplomatic agenda takes place as Washington is seeking high-level cooperation in different spheres with both India and Pakistan, nuclear-armed neighbors. Washington wants Pakistan to help defeat Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents along the border with Afghanistan.

But Pakistani security officials have threatened to withdraw troops from the lawless border region to redeploy them if India and Pakistan slide toward their fourth war since independence from Britain in 1947, Reuters reported.

In October, Washington opened a new chapter of cooperation with India when Congress gave final approval to a breakthrough agreement permitting civilian nuclear trade between the two countries for the first time in three decades.

Under the terms of the deal, the United States will now be able to sell nuclear fuel, technology and reactors to India for peaceful energy although New Delhi tested bombs in 1974 and 1998 and never signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. In exchange, India agreed to open up 14 civilian nuclear facilities to international inspection, but would continue to shield eight military reactors from outside scrutiny.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/world/asia/04india.html?_r=1&hp
 
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Bombs found in Mumbai station only now

Police searching a mound of baggage abandoned amid the carnage of the attack on Mumbai's main train station found two bombs Wednesday nearly a week after they were left there by gunmen -- in a stunning new example of the botched security that has become a major issue in India since the three-day siege.

The discovery came as Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said India is "determined to act decisively" following the attacks, saying the evidence was clear the gunmen came from Pakistan and their handlers are still there.

His words, the strongest yet from the government, came as thousands of Indians many calling for war with Pakistan held a vigil in Mumbai to mark one week since the start of the rampage that killed 171 people.

While searching through about 150 bags, which police believed were left by the dozens of victims in the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus station, an officer found a suspicious-looking bag and called the bomb squad, said Assistant Commissioner of Police Bapu Domre. Inside were two 8.8-pound bombs, which were taken away and safely detonated, he said.

After the attacks, police found unexploded bombs at several of the sites, including two luxury hotels and a Jewish center. It was not immediately clear why the bags at the station were not examined earlier. The station, which serves hundreds of thousands of commuters, was declared safe and reopened hours after the attack.

The discovery has added to increasing accusations that India's security forces missed warnings and bungled its response to the Nov. 26-29 attacks.

Indian navy chief Sureesh Mehta has called the response to the attacks "a systemic failure." The country's top law enforcement official has resigned and two top state officials have offered to quit amid criticism that the 10 gunmen appeared better trained, better coordinated and better armed than police in Mumbai.

Mukherjee on Wednesday adopted a more strident tone against longtime rival Pakistan.

"There is no doubt the terrorist attacks in Mumbai were perpetrated by individuals who came from Pakistan and whose controllers are in Pakistan," Mukherjee said after a meeting with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, visiting as part of a U.S. effort to ease tensions in the region.

Washington Times - Bombs found in Mumbai station only now
 
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Pakistan moves up US priority list

The terror attacks in India next door have emphasized the instability in the region.

By Howard LaFranchi | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

from the December 4, 2008 edition

Washington - Much as the 9/11 terror attacks quickly focused the Bush administration on its relations with Islamabad, last week's terrorist assault on Mumbai (formerly Bombay) only elevates the central preoccupation that Pakistan poses for President-elect Obama.

Already, the deteriorating stability of the world's only Muslim-majority nuclear power has figured in virtually every aspect of the incoming administration's national-security portfolio: from the war in Afghanistan, which is on Pakistan's western flank, to relations with nuclear rival India. If anything, the Mumbai attacks and the growing evidence of involvement by Pakistan-based militants will raise the urgency of developing a new approach to the Pakistan problem.

"If there's any silver lining out of this, it may be that Pakistan moves to the top of the next administration's urgent list," says Daniel Markey, a former State Department expert on South Asia now at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. Only perhaps after Iraq, Pakistan "outweighs the other challenges [because it] poses the most significant threat of global terrorism," he adds.

The stepped-up attention to Pakistan is expected to take a new direction under the Obama administration, with a focus on development and civilian-institution-building projects supplanting the Bush administration's multibillion-dollar relationship with the military-led government of the former president, Pervez Musharraf. Vice President-elect Joseph Biden in particular has advocated, from his chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a threefold increase in aid to fund a new long-term program aimed at weaning Pakistan's more restive regions from militant control.

The redirection of emphasis would seem to mirror the outlook of Pakistan's new civilian president, Asif Ali Zardari, who recently characterized the battle against the country's Taliban and other militant groups as a "war ... to win the hearts and minds of the people."

But if such a program is to get off the ground, rising India-Pakistan tensions after the Mumbai attacks will have to be addressed first. Doing so could further two aims: avoiding a show of force by the Pakistani military that could hobble or even topple the country's extremely weak civilian government, and keeping Pakistan from directing attention away from its nascent antimilitant effort along the border with Afghanistan toward the border with India.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in New Delhi Wednesday with two messages. She urged the Indian government to practice restraint in the face of mounting evidence linking the Mumbai terrorists to Pakistan-based groups. She also urged the Pakistani government to deliver on its promise of cooperation in the investigation.

"I have said that Pakistan needs to act with resolve and urgency and cooperate fully and transparently," Secretary Rice said at a New Delhi press conference. "I know, too, this is a time when cooperation of all parties who have any information is really required."

Meanwhile, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was in Islamabad, Pakistan, where he urged authorities to investigate "any and all possible ties to groups in Pakistan" – a clear if veiled reference to suspected links between the Mumbai terrorists and former or current Pakistani security forces.

The Bush administration knows the debilitating effect that rising tensions between the two South Asian nuclear rivals can have on antiterror efforts.

A 2001 bombing of the Indian Parliament – allegedly carried out by a Pakistan-based Islamist extremist organization with support from within Pakistan's powerful but murky intelligence organization – led to a mobilization of forces along both sides of the India-Pakistan border. That gave pro-Al Qaeda elements in Pakistan's western provinces greater freedom and time to establish their hold on territory bordering Afghanistan.

"Both countries amassed troops on their common border for about a year, and with a lot of sustained effort, the Bush administration was able to mitigate the tensions, assuage concerns, and make sure that things didn't spin out of control into armed conflict," says Malou Innocent, a South Asia expert at the Cato Institute in Washington.

"But it was also a year that attention was pulled away from the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, and that's certainly a top concern for the US now," she adds.

Indeed, inciting tensions between the two rivals – and fogging Pakistan's focus on militants in the western tribal areas – may have been the chief aims of the Mumbai operation. "It would hardly be surprising if the masterminds behind the [Mumbai terrorists] weren't aiming at raising tensions between India and Pakistan all along," says Mr. Markey of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Making sure such a scheme is not successful will be the first order of business for the United States – under President Bush and Mr. Obama. But beyond that, Markey says, the Obama administration will face the same tough questions about Pakistan's intelligence community and military and their ties to militant forces – even as it works to strengthen a pro-Western civilian government.

"You have to have something in place that looks like the Zardari government to even contemplate the shift towards development and economic projects," he says. Another military coup against a civilian government "would set back the partnership by perhaps years and throw a wrench in any plans for a new direction."

Pakistan moves up US priority list | csmonitor.com
 
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Pakistan moves up the priority list for wrong reason while China, India etc are moving up because of their good show in economy and financial strength!!

The persons I hate the most are those who take Pakistan back - the fundamentalists and the extremists. We are a vibrant multicultural society and those guys are spoiling it!!
 
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