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Mullahs warns against mourning governor

Ever wonder, why did Israel kill some scientists of Arab world? Did you ever think why did the U.S. place some limitations on Pakistani students seeking higher education? No one there talks when we burn their flag. They do not care if we go on the streets and burn their flags.
They care when we get higher education. Mullahs are intentionally or --- are supporting foreign powers. Look, no one is a friend in this game. If we start to work hard and get education, we will be considered an intellectual threat. We have to get education and export our weapons rather than importing weapons or education.
 
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Barking dogs seldom bite, its high time pakistanis think about everything the mullahs dictate and oppose whatever is wrong.
Afsos there are no barking dogs only mad dogs and they ve already bitten.
 
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Jamat Ahle Sunnat, a group representing Pakistan's majority Barelvi sect, considered moderate, said, "The supporter is as guilty as the one who commits blasphemy," adding that politicians, the media and others should learn "a lesson from the exemplary death".


people here used to say deobandi were evil.....well now they know barelvi are worse!

the problem is no one knows or understands religion! where in religion does it say kill!

and if these guys REALLY HAVE SOME BAL*s then tell them to go to denmark and try shooting the guy who drew images of the prophet....they won't do that because apnaay ghar mein sher hain yeh!

Bro theres no need to bring up secetarian issues, this incident has been condoned by mullahs of all sects. these no need for you to target one group of people. this issue is that of extremism and intolerance! which affects all pakistanis!!
 
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Just because that man said to the mullah's that 'Im not afraid of you anymore' They decide to tell everyone that anyone who mourns this guys death will suffer the same fate.

These people will do anything to make sure there influence is stiff within the country.

Blasphemy my foot...
 
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Don’t try to beat the mullahs at their own rhetorical game


In the aftermath of the Taseer assassination, there has been plenty of reflection and strategizing amongst progressive and liberal minded people about how best to make Pakistan a less crazy country. I must confess that at this juncture, I am personally at a bit of a loss of how best to proceed. But one thing I would note is that trying to take on the right-wing (i.e. the rest of the country) on religious terms is bound to fail.

The logic of the religious-terms lobby is this: Pakistanis are religious people and things like the blasphemy law have strong religious connotations. Ergo, to defeat their worldview, you must engage with them on their terms, and show why things like the blasphemy law are unjust from an Islamic point of view.

This strategy is alluring but doomed to fail, in my view. The point is simple: you can’t beat someone at their own game. You can’t beat Barcelona by trying to out-pass them. You can’t beat Rafa Nadal by trying to out-muscle him from the baseline. And you can’t beat mullahs by citing the Quran or what the Prophet said to some random woman when she was throwing trash on him. Sorry, but it won’t work.

Here’s the thing: any time you cite some verse from the Quran or some story from 1400 years ago to show that you’re right, the mullahs will cite some other verse from the Quran or some other story from 1400 years ago to show that they’re right. I hate to break this to you, but organized religions tend to send mixed messages on everything from rights to violence to duties to whatnot (and yes, fundos, I’ve read the Quran — twice, once with translation). So that’s a bit of a cul de sac in that debate.

Similarly, citing Jinnah and that “you are free to go to your temples” speech is also bound to fail. Jinnah was a lawyer and a politician, and lawyers and politicians make careers out of saying different things at different times to suit different audiences. That’s their job. The fact is, Jinnah stoked communal sentiment when he had to, and made secular-progressive sounds when he had to. So again, I say potato, and you say death to Israel — who’s to say who’s right? More generally, once you’ve ceded the substantive space upon which you will engage in combat, you’ve already lost half the battle.

Personally, I liked an idea that Cafe Pyala mentioned, which is to hoist the mullahs, their allies, and their enablers on their own collective petard. Pursue cases of blasphemy of other religions against them — find like-minded lawyers, strategize on which courts to file complaints in, and go after them the way they go after helpless people. Filing cases against high profile figures (leaders of religious parties, “scholars” and other assorted mullah types) as inciters to violence would also not be a bad idea, but I’m not sure how the legalities of all this would work. It would be great if we could get some lawyers to speak up about the viability of some of these tactics.
 
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It seems that if at all there was a time your country could do with a Mustafa Kemal (of Turkish fame), it is now. Separating religion from state and formal eduation is of chief priority right now. If 500 self-proclaimed scholars of religion can openly threaten of death consequences in a country especially in the kind of environment your country has, then it is very alarming.
 
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It seems that if at all there was a time your country could do with a Mustafa Kemal (of Turkish fame), it is now. Separating religion from state and formal eduation is of chief priority right now. If 500 self-proclaimed scholars of religion can openly threaten of death consequences in a country especially in the kind of environment your country has, then it is very alarming.
Turkish army was secular. hence Mustafa kemal was able to bring that revolution in trukey same cant be said of pakistani army.Pakistani army panders to religious mullahs for its own interests.And it was the PA under zia which was responsible for the Islamization of pakistan.
 
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Turkish army was secular. hence Mustafa kemal was able to bring that revolution in trukey same cant be said of pakistani army.Pakistani army panders to religious mullahs for its own interests.And it was the PA under zia which was responsible for the Islamization of pakistan.

they have learned their lesson the hard way and the same army is battling terrorism now , if PA can reform and get these fundos out of it ranks completely than it is possible! the politicians wont say much here (they are power less) hence PA is the only institute who can tackle this
 
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Bro theres no need to bring up secetarian issues, this incident has been condoned by mullahs of all sects. these no need for you to target one group of people. this issue is that of extremism and intolerance! which affects all pakistanis!!

well they are issuing a public statement here , these clerics are sectarian leaders and speak on behalf of their followers
 
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Barbad Gulistaan Karne ko Bas ek hi ulloo kaafi hai
Har shaakh pe Ulloo baithe hain Anjam-e-Gulistaan kyaa hoga.

Ahmak hardliners making life miserable both side :(
 
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they have learned their lesson the hard way and the same army is battling terrorism now , if PA can reform and get these fundos out of it ranks completely than it is possible! the politicians wont say much here (they are power less) hence PA is the only institute who can tackle this
Musharaff tried to Amend the Blasphemy law but then even he had to backtrack under stiff pressure from mullah brigade. Full credit to him for amending the Hudood law on which also he faced sitff resistance and fatwas was passed on him(if i'm correct).The thing is after zia islamization of pak army one has to gauge the situation how much the rot of islamisation has set in PA.The silence of PA in whole episode of Salman taseer murder and Aisha bibi Blasphemy issue is deafning.
 
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Musharaff tried to Amend the Blasphemy law but then even he had to backtrack under stiff pressure from mullah brigade. Full credit to him for amending the Hudood law on which also he faced sitff resistance and fatwas was passed on him(if i'm correct).The thing is after zia islamization of pak army one has to gauge the situation how much the rot of islamisation has set in PA.The silence of PA in whole episode of Salman taseer murder and Aisha bibi Blasphemy issue is deafning.

any efforts against punishment of blasphemy law is not going to go away that easy or quick , as you said it took 3 decades of effort and if tried we should have given atleast half of that to mush .... However PA as an institute and organisation is organised and capable of fighting this , they know where the root cause is as they were the one who imposed this mess , so its like cleaning up their own mess. I now understand what mush meant by Pakistan ka khuda hafiz
 
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Who will fight back?

Cyril Almeida
January 7, 2011 (2 days ago)
THE morning of the governor`s assassination, I found myself arguing there are no ideological divisions left in Pakistani politics anymore. `Right` or `Left` have lost all meaning, which is why the PPP can seek alliances with the PML-N, the ANP, the MQM, the JUI-F, the PML-F, Fata MPs and even the PML-Q, the `Qatil` League, to try and cling on in power.

The name of the game is power, and nothing else matters. But I was wrong.

At least in the public imagination, there does exist an ideological divide — and the PPP is on the wrong side of it. la deen`

Godless, secular, `, the PPP and its leaders are everything the Children of Zia loathe. Taseer`s killer, Mumtaz Qadri, born in 1985, is the quintessential child of Zia.

At least at the level of signalling, the PPP does confirm its public reputation. And privately, I find PPP leaders to be among the more sensible and warm, their worldview free of hate, their language couched in a kind of humanism difficult to detect elsewhere.

The ANP and the MQM come closest to the PPP in this regard, but there`s always a lingering suspicion of instrumentalism
— about the lack of genuine belief in the values they publicly espouse — and their track records always give pause.

But here`s the difficulty with the PPP, too: even if you believe there is genuine unease in the party at the trajectory the country is on, the PPP has done no more or no less than other mainstream political players to help nudge the country along in that terrible direction.

ZAB of course desperately pandered to the right as the opposition from those quarters mounted. BB`s first term you can write off because it was so brief and she was so completely on the defensive that little blame can genuinely be attributed to her.

But what did she do in the second term? Naseerullah Babar`s notorious boast that `we` created the Taliban — factually incorrect as `we` came to the party after it had begun — quickly became a millstone around the PPP`s neck, and the country`s, too.

As for the great `Islamist` Sharifs? When the Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan tried to pop off the brothers during Nawaz Sharif`s second term, they smashed the SSP with the ruthlessness of an us-or-them conviction.

Sure, you could argue that just as the PML-N is more likely to go after `vulgar` plays in Lahore, the PPP is always more likely to issue more liquor permits in Sindh — but that`s not really where the war for the future of Pakistan is being fought.

When it comes to using state power, the major political parties have a pretty equal, and pretty awful, record of opposing the infrastructure of jihad.

Perhaps the worst of the lot so far in this respect has been Asif Zardari. Sure he says all the right things, in his glib, oily way, but what has he really done?

Taseer, his hatchet guy in Punjab against the PML-N, said and did all the right things as far as the boss was concerned, but when the chips were down what did Zardari do?

He didn`t publicly rebuke his flunky, Babar Awan. He issued no orders to prosecute, arrest or even plain investigate the agents of hate. And the friend of friends wasn`t even there to see his loyalist lowered into an early grave. The Guardian

Declan Walsh of has written that Taseer was left “swinging in a lonely wind” after the Aasia Bibi case became a “political football”. “Zardari was powerless to act,” according to Declan.

Possibly. That Zardari is often powerless to act is obvious enough. But at least you can admire a man who fights for something he believes in, who stands up for his friends when it matters.

Instead, we are left with the rumour of a president who is spending a few weeks by the sea at the suggestion of a soothsayer.

Then again, the full horror of what we are confronted with goes far beyond the non-battles of a single leader or political party.

A favourite sparring partner I refer to as a culture warrior has long argued for more public fierceness, for pushing back in ways big and small against those hawking the intolerance and hate the country is awash in.

The hate-mongers in the vernacular media are particularly malign influences. Having seen the ugliness up close and the slyness with which it is foisted off on an unsuspecting public, you can`t help but feel a little ill.

And let`s not forget the original sinners.

A friend who has witnessed up close the country`s slide over the past three decades sent me a note soon after Taseer`s slaying:

“This may be an individual act. But look at this: Governor shot dead by own guard; country in turmoil; Government lost majority two days back but moral authority long ago; Gilani doesn`t have support in parliament; Zardari is corrupt and discredited; economy is in meltdown; Sharif`s unable to provide alternative leadership. Who emerges as the sole survivor? Yes, you guessed it Kayani. Back to square one. (Expletive deleted) patrons of fundos will soon be back.”

Who will or won`t be back is hard to say. Easier, though, it is to find where primary responsibility lies for the horrors Pakistan is facing today: with the self-appointed custodians of the national interest.

And increasingly if there is anything we should fault Asif Zardari for, it should be for surrendering without a fight on that front.

The comeback the army has made, the total control it is exercising over national-security policy, the return to a position of singular prestige in the national imagination, all of that may eventually have come to pass anyway.

But because no meaningful resistance was offered, it has happened in double-quick time.

cyril.a@gmail.com
 
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