Muhammad of Ghor and his Companions enter the Indus valley - one of the greatest wars erupts + fountain of wealth

[Indus Pakistan]

Hindu as in Shehanshah of Hindustan used long before British era.

Yes, I am well aware of that.

Hindu, Hindustan, Hindko language or even Hindukush mountains all referred to geo ethnics linguistic identities not coined the British but people of the region long before Brits stepped in Indian subcontinent.
Read Babarnama, once he enters east of Kandahar Babar says he has moved into 'Hindustan'

Again I am aware of that.

Hindu shai kings were local tribes of Punjab and eastern Afghanistan, they were your people and of course are ethnically related to Indian punjab/hariyana/Western UP, Himachal, Rajastan though not to Odisha, Andhara or Assam but India is too big and in geo ethnic term Hindu/Indians encompassed everyone of us since long.

This is where I have issues. The problem is people of Republic of India conflate the modern term India/Hindu with these historical terms. The fact is whatever they were, they were the antecedents of modern Pakistani's and Afghans on this siude of the Hindu Kush meaning the Pashuns. We did not come from Africa or Europe or Turkey. Our basic stratum is native to Gandhara region or Sulaiman Mountain range which today is the Af-Pak region. That is Kabul to Islamabad.

Very few countries are ethnic or genetic islands. Thus of course we are going to have overlaps with all ourneighbours including Iran, Afghanistan, China, India. But that overlap does not define India that you alluded to. They are India's border regions making less than 5% of the population. India is primarily a Ganga River civilization given that more than 600 million Indians live on that basin.

What I particularly take issue is Indian's using the historical Hind, Hindush, Sind etc as basis to make claims. That is nonsense. What next? Are Indo-nesians, West Indians or even US state of Indiania going to make claims on our historical heritage?

Like I always give the example of modern Roman-ia having not being the home of the Roman Empire despite the shared name. Yet the land that birthed the Roman Empire is called Italy today. Bit I never see Romanians claiming Roman Empire as theirs.

Names change over time. Hell even the Europes gypsies are called ROMA but they are hardly the descendants of the mighty Roman Empire.

TRhe people you mention their blood still isfound in the veins of people in Jalalabad, Peshawar, Mardan, Swabi, Mansehra etc and not in Kolkatta, Chennai or Mumbai.

 

[Mrc]

In Islam creed and caste does not matter. But hindus its of prime importance....

Its been 1100 years and they are still asking why don't you follow your creed and caste??

Caz v are musliiiiiiiiiimsss.....

Is that too hard to understand??

Jesus
.. Its like another tejas project

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Suriya I don't doubt in Pakistan we have serious issue with our rendition of history. I guess because of our recent history it has been warped but facts are facts. Over time it will find it's form. For instance Pakistan has as much right to Duraani Empire as Afghanistan but this is something Pakistan has allowed the Afghans to 'own'. Pakistan also needs to 'own' it's Sikh heritage. I live in UK and no mature nation can be confidewnt of it's history unless it own's all it's past. The good, the bad and ugly. Not too far from me is a museum dedicated to Vikings. These were invaders who pilaged, raped and laid waste to the proto-English but modern Britain has owned them because they are part of this landscape. Pakistan also needs to own up all. Be they IVC animists, Harappan idol worshippers, Greeks, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Hindu Shahi, Sikh as well the Muslim era. Modern Pakistani's are product of 6,000 years of complex and turbulent history played out on the Indus Basin all the way to British invasion in 1849 and independence from Great Britain in 1947.

 

[Cliftonite]

Yes, I am well aware of that.
Again I am aware of that.

This is where I have issues. The problem is people of Republic of India conflate the modern term India/Hindu with these historical terms. The fact is whatever they were, they were the antecedents of modern Pakistani's and Afghans on this siude of the Hindu Kush meaning the Pashuns. We did not come from Africa or Europe or Turkey. Our basic stratum is native to Gandhara region or Sulaiman Mountain range which today is the Af-Pak region. That is Kabul to Islamabad.

Very few countries are ethnic or genetic islands. Thus of course we are going to have overlaps with all ourneighbours including Iran, Afghanistan, China, India. But that overlap does not define India that you alluded to. They are India's border regions making less than 5% of the population. India is primarily a Ganga River civilization given that more than 600 million Indians live on that basin.

What I particularly take issue is Indian's using the historical Hind, Hindush, Sind etc as basis to make claims. That is nonsense. What next? Are Indo-nesians, West Indians or even US state of Indiania going to make claims on our historical heritage?

Like I always give the example of modern Roman-ia having not being the home of the Roman Empire despite the shared name. Yet the land that birthed the Roman Empire is called Italy today. Bit I never see Romanians claiming Roman Empire as theirs.

Names change over time. Hell even the Europes gypsies are called ROMA but they are hardly the descendants of the mighty Roman Empire.

TRhe people you mention their blood still isfound in the veins of people in Jalalabad, Peshawar, Mardan, Swabi, Mansehra etc and not in Kolkatta, Chennai or Mumbai.

IVC is so basic and boring.

The caves of Ellora and Ajanta could give Moenjodaro a run for its money any day.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The caves of Ellora and Ajanta could give Moenjodaro a run for its money any day.

Well, Gangu nobody stops you from going over and licking them. My interest stops at the Radcliffe Line aka Pak-India border. Beyond that is what I believe they call 'Pajeets'. I am only interested in Pakistan and not Indonesia, South Africa, Bolivia or Papua New Guninea which is why I registered with PDF and NOt Indian Defence Forum.

 

[Cliftonite]

Well, Gangu nobody stops you from going over and licking them. My interest stops at the Radcliffe Line aka Pak-India border. Beyond that is what I believe they call 'Pajeets'. I am only interested in Pakistan and not Indonesia, South Africa, Bolivia or Papua New Guninea which is why I registered with PDF and NOt Indian Defence Forum.

Who cares what you believe in boomer?

IVC is mostly just a set of bricks. Nothing spectacular.

 

[Mrc]

Interestingly if any one bothered to watch video border is between lahore and bathinda exactly where it lies today so even than pakistan is on correct side of history

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Interestingly if any one bothered to watch video border is between lahore and bathinda exactly where it lies today so even than pakistan is on correct side of history

Funny you say that. Even Alexander and his Greeks refused to go any further east of Beas proximating with Pak-India border. They must have smelled the stink from Ganga and turned tail.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Poor Indus nationalists..

Still trying to live vicariously by coopting foreign invader lineages. Must hurt when they don't have anything indigenous of their own. Stockholm syndrome. Today Abdali's my ancestor, tomorrow Porus, day after tomorrow Timur Lane.

This is disturbing. You sound like someone who would have fought on the ranks of the idolaters on that eventful day.

The People of Lahore, Multan and largely West Punjab were indeed muslims for over 200 years by the time this happened while the Pathans could have been muslims for 500 years at this point and the same goes to the Sindhis and Balochis.

Muhammad of Ghor was their brother and they stood with him on that day and they still stand with him until this day

 

[Cliftonite]

This is disturbing. You sound like someone who would have fought on the ranks of the idolaters on that eventful day.

The People of Lahore, Multan and largely West Punjab were indeed muslims for over 200 years by the time this happened while the Pathans could have been muslims for 500 years at this point and the same goes to the Sindhis and Balochis.

Muhammad of Ghor was their brother and they stood with him on that day and they still stand with him until this day

Eww no. So lame of you to think these Ghaznis and Ghoris came and gave you kisses on your ancestors cheeks. They came to loot and they killed whoever came in their way. They even picked up Muslim girls from Punjab and Delhi.

Love thy oppressor. How masochistic. You guys are brought up on some weird history.

Umayyad and Abbasids killed more Muslims among them than the Romans or Persians.

This is disturbing. You sound like someone who would have fought on the ranks of the idolaters on that eventful day.

The People of Lahore, Multan and largely West Punjab were indeed muslims for over 200 years by the time this happened while the Pathans could have been muslims for 500 years at this point and the same goes to the Sindhis and Balochis.

Muhammad of Ghor was their brother and they stood with him on that day and they still stand with him until this day

Eww no. So lame of you to think these Ghaznis and Ghoris came and gave you kisses on your ancestors cheeks. They came to loot and they killed whoever came in their way. They even picked up Muslim girls from Punjab and Delhi.

Love thy oppressor. How masochistic. You guys are brought up on some weird history.

Umayyad and Abbasids killed more Muslims among them than the Romans or Persians.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Eww no. So lame of you to think these Ghaznis and Ghoris came and gave you kisses on your ancestors cheeks. They came to loot and they killed whoever came in their way. They even picked up Muslim girls from Punjab and Delhi.

Love thy oppressor. How masochistic. You guys are brought up on some weird history.

Umayyad and Abbasids killed more Muslims among them than the Romans or Persians.

Eww no. So lame of you to think these Ghaznis and Ghoris came and gave you kisses on your ancestors cheeks. They came to loot and they killed whoever came in their way. They even picked up Muslim girls from Punjab and Delhi.

Love thy oppressor. How masochistic. You guys are brought up on some weird history.

Umayyad and Abbasids killed more Muslims among them than the Romans or Persians.

I tried to investigate your posting history. change the damn flag. No need to hiding yourself amidst proud pakistanis. The typical no evidence propaganda thrown against muslim conquerors which is proven to be absolute bs the same drivel saying '' they commited atrocities'' history books suggest something completely different. I see some ppl make this claims thinking Islam is christianity. The only people who publically forced people into Religion were christinity. Islam forbids this act and it is evil in Islam to force someone.

Sialkot, Multan, Peshawar, Lahore, Sindh, Quetta etc etc were Muslims for centuries before this event took place. By the way nobody ever accepted Islam by the sword and I know this is the go to propaganda. Islam forbids this and stricly says there is no compulsory in religion this is the rules of Islam. Religion can only be accepted in free will.

Not only are you wearing a fake flag you are giving fake accounts on the rulings of Islam and that doesn't hold weight historically

 

[Cliftonite]

I tried to investigate your posting history. change the damn flag. No need to hiding yourself amidst proud pakistanis. The typical no evidence propaganda thrown against muslim conquerors which is proven to be absolute bs the same drivel saying '' they commited atrocities'' history books suggest something completely different. I see some ppl make this claims thinking Islam is christianity. The only people who publically forced people into Religion were christinity. Islam forbids this act and it is evil in Islam to force someone.

Sialkot, Multan, Peshawar, Lahore, Sindh, Quetta etc etc were Muslims for centuries before this event took place. By the way nobody ever accepted Islam by the sword and I know this is the go to propaganda. Islam forbids this and stricly says there is no compulsory in religion this is the rules of Islam. Religion can only be accepted in free will.

Not only are you wearing a fake flag you are giving fake accounts on the rulings of Islam and that doesn't hold weight historically

Uncle who said Islam came by force in the subcontinent? That's just a myth propagated by Hindu nationalists. Islam was spread by Sufis and Awliyas like Bahauddin Zakriya, Shah Waliullah, Chistis and Naqshbandis

If it came by force, the most Muslim areas should have been in UP and Delhi. But they were in Bengal and Punjab.

If Hindu nationalists take it to one extreme, you guys take it to the other. Nadir Shah, Abdali, Ghori, Ghaznavi didn't come out of any love for converting Hindus. They came to loot. Simple.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Uncle who said Islam came by force in the subcontinent? That's just a myth propagated by Hindu nationalists. Islam was spread by Sufis and Awliyas like Bahauddin Zakriya, Shah Waliullah, Chistis and Naqshbandis

If it came by force, the most Muslim areas should have been in UP and Delhi. But they were in Bengal and Punjab.

If Hindu nationalists take it to one extreme, you guys take it to the other. Nadir Shah, Abdali, Ghori, Ghaznavi didn't come out of any love for converting Hindus. They came to loot. Simple.

Ghori and Ghaznavi came to settle while Shah came to assist one party against another in the throne dispute and Abdali came to assist the Mughal who called on his aid.

Ghori ethbalished an empire that lasted for 334 years and after him that empire even gave birth to the Bahmani sultanates who later split into 5 states. He has a foothold in the subcontinent that lasts atleast for 500 years until the Mughal sultan Aurangzeb absorbed the last remaining deccan sultanate in 1686. All these empires and rulers spring forth from Muhammed of Ghor.

The another one who had a foothold was Babur. lasted for 300 years which is shorter then Muhammad Ghor's dynastic legacy.

They were not looters but settlers and builders. They were critical for India to reach civlized world status and that is what they brought with them putting India on the map and advancing India with civil laws, trade and security unlike which they didn't experience previously. No more road robbers in India during their reign or lawlessness. People of all faiths and walks of life lived in harmonies way and in preposterity and security was provided to them it was the long peace of the age. They were already globalists so running such an empire harmoniously could only have been achieved by them with multiculturism being one of the pillars and encouraged.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Nadir Shah, Abdali, Ghori, Ghaznavi didn't come out of any love for converting Hindus. They came to loot. Simple.

Nadir Shah and Abdali were looters/raiders/marauders
Mohammad of Ghor was a statesman

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Later today I will post the continuity of the story and the generations post Mohammad of Ghor