Mughal influence in India and Indian history

[Makaramarma]

So what does your history teach you, pratap fought to his last drop of blood at chittor and won the battle of haldighati?

Nope, he died for a cause. Defending Hinduism and way of life.

Other than the historically recorded fact of amar singh surrendering to Akbar.

Amar Singh, 1559-1620

Shah Jahan, 1594-1666

Did Amar singh surrender to a diaper wearing Shah Jahan?

...... What a Moron. Amari Singh surrendered in 1614. That meant Sah Jahan was 18 years old at that time and heir apparent.

The same Hindus that the rajputs were fighting against in the deccan and Assam? LOL!!

And how would the rajputs "protect" Hinduism by surrendering to Mughals? If Hindus exist in north India today then it is only because of Sikhs. The rajputs had converted to Islam en masse. Do you know who the founder of Pakistan is?

If Rajputs had converted to Islam en mass tehre would have been no Rajputs in India

Jaswant singh our ex Minister would have been a Muslim

Jinnah was a Gujarati you idiot. His was the grandson of a Gujarati Premji bhai Thakkar ....... most certainly NOT a Rajput

BTW Raja Ram Singh had been assigned the command of the expedition to Assam as a sort of punishment, as it was from his custody that Shivaji and his son had escaped.

However, there are some scholars who attribute that it was due to the release of the Sikh Guru Teg Bahadur by Raja Ram Singh that had earned the latter the ire of the Mughal emperor who punished him for the act by assigning him the command of the eastern expeditions which was considered hazardous on account of its climate and, secondly, it was feared as the land of magical charms and spells.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You are a known clown on this forum. Your rantings in sport column are an testament to that.

Don't troll here moron. At least lie properly, I did not comment in any sports column you freak.

It is you who do not know much about history and braying like someone who is on periods. You even did not knew that that Firman was specifically for Bengal, not whole of India.

Don't talk about periods here you mad woman, talk about history.

And bengal was part of mughal empire you moron. If mughal empire was over then how did the firman get enforced? Are you a born retard?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Namaste Levina Ji, aap kaisi ho?

Religious intolerance erupted under Aurangzeb. The turks, afghans etc. had the same policy of jizyah for Hindus like the Mughals. In fact Akbar was the one who abolished jizyah.

How is Gupta invasion of other princely states better than Mughal invasions? The Guptas did not send Buddhist monks, they also sent soldiers like the Mughals did.

Guptas had sena. Mughals and Islamic invaders had Ghazis.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Nope, he died for a cause. Defending Hinduism and way of life.

He defended Hinduism by hiding in the jungle for 20 years.

...... What a Moron. Amari Singh surrendered in 1614. That meant Sah Jahan was 18 years old at that time and heir apparent.

Oh really? Can you provide an article with a proper link that says he surrendered to shah jahan? Because history says he surrendred to Akbar.

If Rajputs had converted to Islam en mass tehre would have been no Rajputs in India

Qaim Khan was a Jain?

Khan-e Jehan Nawab Qaim Khan Shaheed who was the son of Raja Motay Rai Chauhan, the ruler of Dorayra or Dadrewa (presently situated in the Bikaner district of Rajasthan). The first progenitor of Qaimkhanis was Karamchand born in the family of Moterao of Chauhan clan, the ruler of Dadrewa.[1] Firuz Shah Tughluq converted him to Islam and named him Qaimkhan.[2] Thus his descendants were called Qaimkhani.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaim_Khan

Jaswant singh our ex Minister would have been a Muslim

Zulfiqar Bhutto a muslim is a sindhi rajput. So was Tikka Khan.

Sindhi Rajput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jihhan was a Gujarati you idiot. His was the grandson of a Gujarati Premji bhai Thakkar ....... most certainly NOT a Rajpu

Again a desperate lie from a desperate troll.

Jinnah was the eldest of seven children born to Mithibai and Jinnah bhai Poonja. His father, Jinnah bhai (1857–1901), was a prosperous Gujarati merchant who had moved to Sindh from Kathiawar, Gujarat before Jinnah's birth. His grandfather was Poonja Gokuldas Meghji, a Hindu Bhatia Rajput from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah's ancestors were Hindu Rajput who converted to Islam. Jinnah's family belonged to the Ismaili Khoja branch of Shi'a Islam, though Jinnah later converted to Twelver Khoja Shia Islam.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah | Quaid-e-Azam (Father Of Nation) | PakistanHerald.com

Guptas had sena. Mughals and Islamic invaders had Ghazis.

Yea, the Gupta army did not kill recklessly. Have you heard about the battle of kalinga and how the mauryan troops treated kalingan women and civilians?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

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He defended Hinduism by hiding in the jungle for 20 years.



Oh really? Can you provide an article with a proper link that says he surrendered to shah jahan? Because history says he surrendred to Akbar.



Qaim Khan was a Jain?

Khan-e Jehan Nawab Qaim Khan Shaheed who was the son of Raja Motay Rai Chauhan, the ruler of Dorayra or Dadrewa (presently situated in the Bikaner district of Rajasthan). The first progenitor of Qaimkhanis was Karamchand born in the family of Moterao of Chauhan clan, the ruler of Dadrewa.[1] Firuz Shah Tughluq converted him to Islam and named him Qaimkhan.[2] Thus his descendants were called Qaimkhani.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaim_Khan



Zulfiqar Bhutto a muslim is a sindhi rajput. So was Tikka Khan.

Sindhi Rajput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Again a desperate lie from a desperate troll.

Jinnah was the eldest of seven children born to Mithibai and Jinnah bhai Poonja. His father, Jinnah bhai (1857–1901), was a prosperous Gujarati merchant who had moved to Sindh from Kathiawar, Gujarat before Jinnah's birth. His grandfather was Poonja Gokuldas Meghji, a Hindu Bhatia Rajput from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah's ancestors were Hindu Rajput who converted to Islam. Jinnah's family belonged to the Ismaili Khoja branch of Shi'a Islam, though Jinnah later converted to Twelver Khoja Shia Islam.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah | Quaid-e-Azam (Father Of Nation) | PakistanHerald.com



Yea, the Gupta army did not kill recklessly. Have you heard about the battle of kalinga and how the mauryan troops treated kalingan women and civilians?

I pity the Mughal Islamofascist Hinduphobe leftovers that are still left here in the 21st century. Comparing a single landshed event from 300 BC to a sustained genocidal campaign that ended barely 300 years back.

 

[anonymus]

To start with Babur was not a good muslim, as in he was a heavy drinker, and indulged in Hashish. Jahangir readopted Islam as the state religion and am sure there was a reason to do so. Jahangir provided the Sikhs with their first martyr when the guru Arjan was arrested (and tortured to death).
Then in 1632 Shah Jahan signaled an abrupt return to a stricter interpretation of Islam when he ordered that "all recently built Hindu temples shall be destroyed". Aurangzeb took religious intolerance to a new level.
I'm not saying Mughals did not contribute to India's culture and heritage, but the OP glorifies Mughals without touching the negative impact they had on India.

Babur is said to have broken wine barrels publicly to motivate his troops for Jihad against Rana Sanga.

Don't troll here moron. At least lie properly, I did not comment in any sports column you freak

Low IQ retard, You have started whole threads on India's matches in World cup. Look like too much Afghani has hollowed your brain, and slain your memory.

Don't talk about periods here you mad woman, talk about history.

And bengal was part of mughal empire you moron. If mughal empire was over then how did the firman get enforced? Are you a born retard?

Debates are done when opponents is not a foul mouthed menopausal quim like you.

What part of "Firman was never enforced" did you not get, retard?

Murshid Quli Khan, who was nominal governor of Bengal in 1717 when that Firman was granted, had declared his autonomy and was known as an independent Nawab of Bengal. East India company has to pay full taxes in Bengal, even though Farukkhsiyar has given them exemption. Farukhsiyar considered him a Mughal governer ,like Pakistan consider Kashmir to be part of Pakistan, but he was not under tutelage of Mughals.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Low IQ retard, You have started whole threads on India's matches in World cup. Look like too much Afghani has hollowed your brain, and slain your memory.

Listen here you low-life loser, what are you doing in my thread? Looks like you are a beghairat loser who has no self-esteem. So why don't you just fcuk off from here? Is your butt still sore about the world cup match you puny insect?

Debates are done when opponents is not a foul mouthed menopausal quim like you.

Debates are done with sensible people not with pimply a$$ teenagers like you who think talking about mensuration is a macho thing. Have you even grown hair there?

What part of "Firman was never enforced" did you not get, retard?

You low life sucker, the firman gave the british the riches they needed to take over bengal. But since you are an uneducated zamadar whose brain did not evolve after 4 years you won't understand this.

So here is a piece of advice for you loser, FCUK OFF!!

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I pity the Mughal Islamofascist Hinduphobe leftovers that are still left here in the 21st century. Comparing a single landshed event from 300 BC to a sustained genocidal campaign that ended barely 300 years back.

And I pity the keyboard Hindu patriots who hide in the basement and talk tough on the internet.

Who told you I am Hindu and what have you done for Hindus?

 

[Makaramarma]

He defended Hinduism by hiding in the jungle for 20 years.

Yup. India is still Hindu, is it not ? ....... and MahaRana Prata is a Hero to all Hindus.

Oh really? Can you provide an article with a proper link that says he surrendered to shah jahan? Because history says he surrendred to Akbar.

I have shown you a painting commissioned by the Emperor to commemorate the event .... are you blind ?

Qaim Khan was a Jain?

Khan-e Jehan Nawab Qaim Khan Shaheed who was the son of Raja Motay Rai Chauhan, the ruler of Dorayra or Dadrewa (presently situated in the Bikaner district of Rajasthan). The first progenitor of Qaimkhanis was Karamchand born in the family of Moterao of Chauhan clan, the ruler of Dadrewa.[1] Firuz Shah Tughluq converted him to Islam and named him Qaimkhan.[2] Thus his descendants were called Qaimkhani.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaim_Khan

Zulfiqar Bhutto a muslim is a sindhi rajput. So was Tikka Khan.

Sindhi Rajput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't give a $hit about pakistani rajputs or their claims.

Again a desperate lie from a desperate troll.

Jinnah was the eldest of seven children born to Mithibai and Jinnah bhai Poonja. His father, Jinnah bhai (1857–1901), was a prosperous Gujarati merchant who had moved to Sindh from Kathiawar, Gujarat before Jinnah's birth. His grandfather was Poonja Gokuldas Meghji, a Hindu Bhatia Rajput from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah's ancestors were Hindu Rajput who converted to Islam. Jinnah's family belonged to the Ismaili Khoja branch of Shi'a Islam, though Jinnah later converted to Twelver Khoja Shia Islam.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah | Quaid-e-Azam (Father Of Nation) | PakistanHerald.com

LOL. That is manufactured History

This is the reality,

He was the grandson of a Gujarati Premji bhai Thakkar (Gondal – Gujarat – India), who, to support his family, entered into the trading of fish within the coastal town of Veraval (Gujarat – India).

His business, however, clashed with the (vegetarian) strong moral ethics of the Lohanas (A caste in Kathiyavadi – Gujarati) and as a result he was ostracised from the community.

He made enough money in this trade and attempted to rejoin the community. He also discontinued the fish business. The Lohana leaders, in their wisdom, did not accept his request.

Premjibhai’ s son Punjalal Thakkar (Jinnah’s father) was enraged at his father’s humiliation and reacted like any other Lohana – with equal and opposite force. He adopted the Muslim religion and changed the names of all his four sons.

However, he continued to use his Gujarati nickname:
Zino (pronounced Jinno in old fashioned Gujarati) which means ‘Skinny.’
Jinno`s son – Mohammad Ali – changed his family name to Jinnah – the nickname of his converted father.

Jinnah used to signed off as 'Mahammad Ali Jeena', as one would write in Gujarati.

Yea, the Gupta army did not kill recklessly. Have you heard about the battle of kalinga and how the mauryan troops treated kalingan women and civilians?

LOL. How did Muryan troops treat kalingan women and Children ? ....... do quote authentic source.

 

[ghoul]

The Mughals came into power during Akbar. If not for Akbar the Mughals would have been extinct with the humiliating defeat of Humayun at the hands of Sher Shah Suri.

Humayun had to leave everything and run from corner to corner like a pitiable refugee. Nobody would have ever mistook him for a prince but he was fortunate to have a band of small but very loyal followers. They stuck with with through thick and thin until he got some relief in Iran.

It was Akbar who re-build and consolidated the empire. It was Akbar who tamed the rajputs and spread his empire to distant lands right upto bengal.

The Mughals were strong till Aurangzeb. Aurangzeb was a recklessly ambitious man. He wanted a vast empire and he achieved that as well but he made enemies everywhere. Primarily against the Marathas and the Sikhs. He had to waste 27 years in the Deccan trying to subjugate the Marathas. To his horror he found that the Marathas were not so keen on joining hands with the Mughals like the rajputs did.

The Afghans on the north western frontiers of Mughal empire were also rebelling and the Sikhs are an altogether different story. He was fighting a war on all the fronts and as a result his treasury was exhausted.

Sikhs didn't exist at the time of Akbar. And Hamayun reclaimed his lost empire by defeating Sher Shah's heirs. He was also said to be a forgiving man of a nice character. Other than that, I agree with you. Although Aurangzeb was better from a military standpoint alone. He was a brave man, his policies and character aside.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Yup. India is still Hindu, is it not ? ....... and MahaRana Prata is a Hero to all Hindus.

India being Hindu has got nothing to do with pratap. North India is Hindu because of Sikhs who protected the weak rajputs. Deccan is Hindu because of Marathas.

I have shown you a painting commissioned by the Emperor to commemorate the event .... are you blind ?

Wow, a painting. I mean it is for sure that you can name every single one of those men in the painting and where the fcuk in the painting is it mentioned that the man is Shah Jahan?

I don't give a $hit about pakistani rajputs or their claims.

Chauhan is a pakistani rajput now? So prithviraj chauhan was a pakistani?

LOL. That is manufactured History

The weakling rajputs who hid in the jungles and bowed before mughals being portrayed as super-warriors is manufactured history.

 

[ghoul]

The Mughals were Uzbeks, though Babur claims to be from Genghis Khan and Timur lineage. In any case the Uzbeks, Mongols etc. all had oriental features. Akbar in real life would have looked like Danny Denzongpa. Bollywood would try and show every character in India like a north India.

They showed Priyanka Chopra a punjabi playing the role of Mary Kom who is Manipuri. LOL!!!

Mughals were Timurids, hence Mongol by race. Although Uzbeks are also said to be Turkified Mongol rather than a proper turkic race.

And lol, Akbar was most probably fat in real life and not a 6 pack sporting bodybuilder.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Sikhs didn't exist at the time of Akbar. And Hamayun reclaimed his lost empire by defeating Sher Shah's heirs. He was also said to be a forgiving man of a nice character. Other than that, I agree with you. Although Aurangzeb was better from a military standpoint alone. He was a brave man, his policies and character aside.

I did not mention anything about Sikhs at the time of Akbar.

Humayun could defeat the heirs of sher shah but he was scared of sher shah himself. Humayun was a soft man and no warrior, his son however was made up of different stuff.

Aurangzeb was not brave, he was reckless. He would commit to an action without a proper plan or worry about consequences. This impulsive behaviour of his is what cost the mughal empire very dearly. It also did not help that Aurangzeb was a paranoid man who did not trust anybody not even his own blood.

 

[Makaramarma]

India being Hindu has got nothing to do with pratap. North India is Hindu because of Sikhs who protected the weak rajputs. Deccan is Hindu because of Marathas..

Nice try to spin a Sikh Rajput divide ...... India is Hindu because of ALL Hindu kings who fought for Hinduism. From Kashmir to kanyakumari.

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Wow, a painting. I mean it is for sure that you can name every single one of those men in the painting and where the fcuk in the painting is it mentioned that the man is ,Shah Jahan?.

LOL. That picture is from "Jahangirnama", official sanctioned memoirs of Emperor Jahangir. It does not get any more real or authentic that that.

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Chauhan is a pakistani rajput now? So prithviraj chauhan was a pakistani?.

A very FEW Rajputs converted, MAJORITY remained Hindu and fought for Hinduism.

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The weakling rajputs who hid in the jungles and bowed before mughals being portrayed as super-warriors is manufactured history.

NOPE. History acknowledges their defeat and captures their Heroism. History of Chitor is only ONE of the proof of their courage. Both Men and Women.

 

[hussain0216]

The Mughal empire was the greatest sub continent dynasty

The problem is butt hurt hindus cant take this pain to their ego


So they come up with alternative histories
They deny history
They give a excuse for every hindu loss
They never accept any muslim bravery or glory on the battlefield or elsewhere and have ready excuses why hindus lost

And on and on and on

 

[Indian Patriot]

Mughals were Timurids, hence Mongol by race. Although Uzbeks are also said to be Turkified Mongol rather than a proper turkic race.

Timur was technically Uzbek, he was from Samarkand and the Mughals claim to be children of Timur. In physical appearance the central asian turks, uzbeks, mongols all look more or less the same.

And lol, Akbar was most probably fat in real life and not a 6 pack sporting bodybuilder.

Akbar may not have been a good looking man like Hrithik Roshan, but he cannot be fat. Akbar was said to be physically very strong. He had grown up in a life full of hardships. He used to train elephants for the fun and was a capable horse rider and wrestler. Mughal princes were in fact required to know wrestling, sword fighting, horse riding etc. It was protocol.