Mubarak: Hamas to blame for spilled Arab blood

[Metallic]

04/02/2009

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak voiced harsh criticism against Hamas on Wednesday, accusing the Islamist Palestinian movement of being responsible for the shedding of Arab blood.

"How long will Arab blood continue to be spilled, only to hear those who admit to miscalculating the scope and scale of Israel's response?" Mubarak asked in a speech marking Egypt's national day to honor its police force.

Mubarak's comment came in reference to remarks reportedly made by Hamas political leader Khaled Meshal, who admitted at the end of the three-week Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip that he did not anticipate the scope of Israel's operation. Similar sentiments were expressed by Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah at the end of the Second Lebanon War between Israel and Hezbollah in 2006.

Mubarak went on to say that resistance movements must take responsibility over the welfare of their people. "The resistance must take into account victories and losses. It is responsible for the people, who in turn should settle the score [with the resistance] over the gains it has achieved, but also the sacrifices, the pain and the destruction it has caused," he said.

The Egyptian president also hinted that Hamas and other militant Palestinian factions are serving the Iranian agenda in the region, especially since the fighting in Gaza ended. "They are trying to take advantage of Israeli aggression to force a new reality on the current Palestinian and Arab situation. A new reality that will alter the equation and reorganize the balance in favor of known regional powers and will serve their agenda," Mubarak said. His comment came in response to Meshal's recent calls for the establishment of an alternative Palestinian body, to rival Fatah in representing the Palestinian people.

Mubarak also hinted that he rejects calls to freeze efforts to advance the Saudi peace initiative, which offers Israel normalized relations with the Arab world in exchange for Israeli withdrawal to 1967 borders. "Egypt made peace publicly with Israel, and some of those who criticize us maintain warm relations with Israel behind closed doors, and others dearly desire peace with Israel," Mubarak said.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Hamas leader says he never expected scale of IDF op in Gaza

By Haaretz Service, 1/20/2009

The Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram quoted Hamas' political leader Khaled Meshal on Tuesday as saying his Islamist group was surprised by the force Israel recently used against it in the Gaza Strip.

Meshal, who was speaking at an Arab conference on Gaza in the Qatari capital Doha, reportedly told a closed forum that Hamas had believed that Israel's 22-day campaign against it would last no longer than three days. The offensive ended Sunday, after Israel and Hamas separately declared a cease-fire.

"We didn't expect the crimes that were committed against our citizens, the residents of Gaza," Al-Ahram quoted the Damascus-based Meshal as saying.
Approximately 500 Hamas militants were killed in the operation, Israeli estimates state, and hundreds more were wounded.

The IDF also killed hundreds of militants belonging to various armed factions and militias. More than 1,250 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed during the offensive. Hamas says just 48 of its fighters died in the fighting.

According to Al-Ahram, Meshal said there were meant to be massive protests in front of Egyptian embassies across the Arab world, to pressure Cairo into opening its border crossing with Gaza at Rafah.

"We had relied on the Arab street," Meshal is quoted as saying. These protests never took place, although there were major demonstrations around the world against Israel for its actions in Gaza.

Egypt boycotted the Doha summit, suspecting that Hamas and its sponsors, Syria and Iran, would use it as a platform for a hard-line position and hurt Egypt's efforts to mediate a Gaza truce.

 

[Jihad]

Mubarak, the pro-American dog.
Keep the borders closed you coward, you have no right to speak, even your own countrymen are disgusted of your utterly stupid policies.

 

[araz]

04/02/2009

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak voiced harsh criticism against Hamas on Wednesday, accusing the Islamist Palestinian movement of being responsible for the shedding of Arab blood.

"How long will Arab blood continue to be spilled, only to hear those who admit to miscalculating the scope and scale of Israel's response?" Mubarak asked in a speech marking Egypt's national day to honor its police force.

Mubarak's comment came in reference to remarks reportedly made by Hamas political leader Khaled Meshal, who admitted at the end of the three-week Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip that he did not anticipate the scope of Israel's operation. Similar sentiments were expressed by Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah at the end of the Second Lebanon War between Israel and Hezbollah in 2006.

Mubarak went on to say that resistance movements must take responsibility over the welfare of their people. "The resistance must take into account victories and losses. It is responsible for the people, who in turn should settle the score [with the resistance] over the gains it has achieved, but also the sacrifices, the pain and the destruction it has caused," he said.

The Egyptian president also hinted that Hamas and other militant Palestinian factions are serving the Iranian agenda in the region, especially since the fighting in Gaza ended. "They are trying to take advantage of Israeli aggression to force a new reality on the current Palestinian and Arab situation. A new reality that will alter the equation and reorganize the balance in favor of known regional powers and will serve their agenda," Mubarak said. His comment came in response to Meshal's recent calls for the establishment of an alternative Palestinian body, to rival Fatah in representing the Palestinian people.

Mubarak also hinted that he rejects calls to freeze efforts to advance the Saudi peace initiative, which offers Israel normalized relations with the Arab world in exchange for Israeli withdrawal to 1967 borders. "Egypt made peace publicly with Israel, and some of those who criticize us maintain warm relations with Israel behind closed doors, and others dearly desire peace with Israel," Mubarak said.

This person who has deemed it fit to close the Rafaah border for palistinians even so they coudld not get water accross the water, has continued to supply water , oil and food to the Israeli soldiers during their advance into Gaza.
It is imperative for all of us to go to palestinian solidarity campaign website and read up on all the information to actually understand how Palistinian land has been annexed to Israel and how various ISLAMIC states have actively colluded with Israel to harm Hammas, which is a elected entity of the people of Palestine. It boilds my blood to see people still criticizing Hamas withlout understanding what the problems are and how they are being progressively being crushedso that the whole of their land can be annexed.
I salute Tayyeb Ardogan who had thecorage to stand upto Israel and accuse them of their crimes.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[BATMAN]

^^no one on this forum has ever objected to any word of Erdogan.
There is no reason to pull him in to add weight in every discussion regarding Palestine.
Neither any of the Arab leaders had defied him, infect Saudi ambassador was the first one to respect him by standing up and shaking hand and offered to leave with him which was forbid by Erdogan himself.
Erdogan's anger started with undue applause of audience and later he never was given fair treatment by the moderator.
Erdogan was hurt not only because the dead children were born to Muslim families, humane reasons were there too.
Killing of Israeli child and civilians should be equally condemned.
It is media which is more criminal which just show one side of the picture and build public opinion against Palestinians, which in turn allow the Israeli state and western states to respond to Hamas inhumanly.

No doubt Hamas and Israel both are responsible for the carnage where Israel was leading.
Hamas lacks leadership and strategic planning. They should not risk civilians of Gaza on their shortcommings or experimentation. they immediately need to find a professional leader.

Egypt and Saudiarabia has done most for Palestinians.

 

[Munir]

Mubarak is an idiot, a dictator and hardly worth to be noted. Put entire palestinian people in a big concentration camp for 40 years. Throw them out if possible. Eliminate those that resist. Steal their property and if not possible destroy it. Stop food and medicine. Destroy any economical improvement. Kill 1500 for the simple fact that they are able to shoot unguided rocket... The simple fact is that zionism is atleast worser then nazism. An arab like Mubarak should be thrown out of his country which is nothing near democracy... As said above... It is purely US controlled area...

 

[BATMAN]

don't forget this dictator is the reason of stability in his country, his people are more prosperous than Pakistanis.
Egyptian culture at large is very fundamental Muslims but they live sideby side with Christians and Israelis walk around in the streets of Cario live in hotels rent houses without any problems.
P.S. I'm discussing Egytian President from an egyptian perspective not from a Pakistani perspective.
When I look at arabs from Pakistani perspective I have more grievences.

 

[Cheetah786]

^^no one on this forum has ever objected to any word of Erdogan.
There is no reason to pull him in to add weight in every discussion regarding Palestine.
Neither any of the Arab leaders had defied him, infect Saudi ambassador was the first one to respect him by standing up and shaking hand and offered to leave with him which was forbid by Erdogan himself.
Erdogan's anger started with undue applause of audience and later he never was given fair treatment by the moderator.
Erdogan was hurt not only because the dead children were born to Muslim families, humane reasons were there too.
Killing of Israeli child and civilians should be equally condemned.
It is media which is more criminal which just show one side of the picture and build public opinion against Palestinians, which in turn allow the Israeli state and western states to respond to Hamas inhumanly.

No doubt Hamas and Israel both are responsible for the carnage where Israel was leading.
Hamas lacks leadership and strategic planning. They should not risk civilians of Gaza on their shortcommings or experimentation. they immediately need to find a professional leader.

Egypt and Saudiarabia has done most for Palestinians.

SO how much did u get paid to sell your soul to the devil

 

[BATMAN]

SO how much did u get paid to sell your soul to the devil

You got me, I must confess I had the opportunity to work both in Saudi Arabi and Egypt (along side many more arab countries) and I did got paid for my work but that was totally different work.
I met Egyptians who used to complain about Hussni Mubarik than I told them do you have any leader who can replace him they had no answer to this question. Than I told those Egyptians that as per my observation no 2 common Egyptians can agree on common grounds even in simple discussion so I doubt in case of any transition you may fight with each other till you destroy every thing.
Than I told them what is the gurantee that next ruler will not be another Mubarik!
No one is denying that Hussni Mubarak is a brutal dictator but I don't support to embark on change until we have a better proposals.
By no measn, Saudi Arabia can get any better than as is now. No detailed discussion about saudi life as we all know how it is.

 

[qsaark]

These are the people (Hosni and alike) for whom Quran has said:

'Laqad khalaqnal insaana fi ahsane taqweem-summa radanahu asfla safleen' At-Tin: 95 verse 04,05.

"hum nay insaan ko bohat achchi soorat mein paida kiya aur phir us ko pust say pust kar diya".

But than again, such traitors come from among ourselves, and we get what we deserve.

 

[qsaark]

It is purely US controlled area...

May be, but it is not run like the USA is run by the americans. The blame goes squarely to Hosni and his chronies first and than to the common Egyptians. I live in US, I do disagree a lot with what they do to the muslim countries, but boy, this is a place to live. Before coming to US, I was in Malaysia for more than 4 years. It was probably the second happiest day (1st when I left Pakistan) of my life when I left Malaysia and decided that I will never ever live or work in any muslim country. Most of us (muslims) are arrogant, corrupt, uncivilised, and very unprofessional. This is based on my limited experience from travelling and living in Malaysia, Thailand, South Korea (I love the Koreans), Canada (again very good), and US.

 

[Munir]

May be, but it is not run like the USA is run by the americans. The blame goes squarely to Hosni and his chronies first and than to the common Egyptians. I live in US, I do disagree a lot with what they do to the muslim countries, but boy, this is a place to live. Before coming to US, I was in Malaysia for more than 4 years. It was probably the second happiest day (1st when I left Pakistan) of my life when I left Malaysia and decided that I will never ever live or work in any muslim country. Most of us (muslims) are arrogant, corrupt, uncivilised, and very unprofessional. This is based on my limited experience from travelling and living in Malaysia, Thailand, South Korea (I love the Koreans), Canada (again very good), and US.

Maybe you should look at Google video with the subject "economic hitman"... We can discuss this matter after that.

 

[araz]

don't forget this dictator is the reason of stability in his country, his people are more prosperous than Pakistanis.
Egyptian culture at large is very fundamental Muslims but they live sideby side with Christians and Israelis walk around in the streets of Cario live in hotels rent houses without any problems.
P.S. I'm discussing Egytian President from an egyptian perspective not from a Pakistani perspective.
When I look at arabs from Pakistani perspective I have more grievences.

Batman.
If you think Mubarak is responsible for stability of the Egyptian system, can I askyou how many of those Egyptians who have been on the receiving end of his hospitality have you spoken to. No doubt Egyptians Muslims and christians have lived together , but have you heard from christians who oppose his government. i met and spoke to a Christian Egyptian journalist who if you have the time will tell you the truth about Mubarak. if mubarak was so just what happened to Akhwan ul muslimeen, who even after winning the elections were not given a chance to govern the nation.
As to hammas responsibility in hte attacks Please dont make me laugh. You tell me how can one stick to an accord when inspite of assurance, you do not open the crossings so that vital supplies can come into the Gaza region, do not recognize hamasas a legitimate elected party, when you have already negotiated with fatah group( whom previously the israelis called terrorist). iIt is fine justice that you starve people , do not allow them to move even within their own country,choose who comes into Gaza,even when you are not governing it, do not give the INDEPENADNT state(as recognized by you) of palestinethe right to bear arms, ingress their land and willy nilly set up settlements when a majority of them do not even hold permit from the israeli Government,kill andmaim Palestinians at will who then have no recource to law or justice and if they retaliate then they are terrorists.Tell me how you would feel if this were to happen to you in your own backyardand you could not go to see your own sister, or brother or visit your loved ones graves. And for no reason other than that you are palestinian.
i wil try and get a photograph from Sarah who is a PSC campaigner, which shows a quaint little arab settlement( whaich has beeen there for centuries, which ahs suddenly had a wall built and a settlement set up on the other side of it. The settlers then decide to throw their rubbish on this arab area. Consequently , they have had to fit a net on top of which you cna clearly see the rubbish bags. How would you like tyo have this done to you in your house where you have lived for centuries?
Open your eyes and look at both sides of the coin and see the tragedy of these people deprived of their homes and water and resources .
As to the Saudis ___ the ambassador may have tried to pay lip service, but they did not open their mouths while the war was going on. Show me a single statement from the Saudi Government which shows their support for their brothers in Aplestine. have anyone of their Ulemas been allowed to come on the media and tell the nation whayt its islamic responsibilities are. Does our government even know or our Mullahs know what is required. Even if you cant go all the way atleast support the movements by blocking israeli oil, and boycott their products. has anyone had the gall to do so.Sure Abdullah threw some loose change but also issued a statement asking hamas to shun violence. Whereas nobody can deny that loss of life oof any individual is sad, but for heavens sake take things into perspective.
i say the whole Islamic world leadership isinept in the extremeand only after saving their own behinds.We ahve been made so blind tto the misery of the ummah that we neither know our duties nor have the courage to speak out.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[BATMAN]

Batman.
If you think Mubarak is responsible for stability of the Egyptian system, can I askyou how many of those Egyptians who have been on the receiving end of his hospitality have you spoken to. No doubt Egyptians Muslims and christians have lived together , but have you heard from christians who oppose his government.

I have met hundreds of Egyptians from all walks of life and class, over along period of time in range of activities!
only those are against Mubarik who are conservative and more into fanatic religious stuff like of Aiman Zawahiri.
Mubarik, is a dictator and I have heard many brutal stories. There are many social problems, there is a big divide in rich and poor but it is because those rich stretch the scale far too much and even a person earning $1000 a month is poor in Egypt and poor are not charged with taxes as in Pakistan. Taxes are only on luxuries items BMW is taxed much heavily than a Lada! Petrol is about 1EGP/liter!
Salaries of govt. officials are comparatively less but they take bribes to brake even.
Positive side of Egypt is that foreign investors are flocking to Egypt like bees. which is generating enormous opportunities for youth.
This is sign of stability!
There are European and American Universities all over Cairo and youth coming out don't even look for govt. job and know the worth of stability.

i met and spoke to a Christian Egyptian journalist who if you have the time will tell you the truth about Mubarak. If Mubarak was so just what happened to Akhwan ul muslimeen, who even after winning the elections were not given a chance to govern the nation.

Christians not happy with Mubarik? this can be the biggest joke in Egypt.

FYI, some places Christians and Muslims have common graves. Churches and Mosques are side by side, bars can be found on main shopping street of every city. I don't see a problem in freedom; economics or opportunities visa vi Egyptian Christians!
Ok, they may tell different tales to visiting Christians but those have lived their don’t buy it.
Next time ask your friend for what reason Egyptian Christians feel underprivileged as compare to fellow Muslims?

Million dollar question is; Egyptians are better off, with Mubarik or without Mubarik?

Hamas likes to work independent but they lack leadership.

 

[araz]

[QUOTE=BATMAN;293630]I have met hundreds of Egyptians from all walks of life and class, over along period of time in range of activities!
only those are against Mubarik who are conservative and more into fanatic religious stuff like of Aiman Zawahiri.

Batman.
IN this matter I am dead serious and DO NOT JOKE!! Ever wonder why no one dares to oppose Mubarak . If this does not open your eyes What will??

Mubarik, is a dictator and I have heard many brutal stories. There are many social problems, there is a big divide in rich and poor but it is because those rich stretch the scale far too much and even a person earning $1000 a month is poor in Egypt and poor are not charged with taxes as in Pakistan. Taxes are only on luxuries items BMW is taxed much heavily than a Lada! Petrol is about 1EGP/liter!
Salaries of govt. officials are comparatively less but they take bribes to brake even.

In other words similar to the prevailinfg situation in most of the Muslim Ummah PAkistan included!!

Positive side of Egypt is that foreign investors are flocking to Egypt like bees. which is generating enormous opportunities for youth.
This is sign of stability!
There are European and American Universities all over Cairo and youth coming out don't even look for govt. job and know the worth of stability.

Ever wonder why they are so eager to run away. One of the causes is economic instability and lack of jobs, the other is lack of political freedom and lack of freedom of expression. If you have lived in Egypt, you would know who Adil Imam is. Do you know how many times he has been in jails and how many times other people like him are put in jail. Do you know who Amr Khalid is and why he is presently residing in London and unable to see his wife and kids!!!



Christians not happy with Mubarik? this can be the biggest joke in Egypt.

FYI, some places Christians and Muslims have common graves. Churches and Mosques are side by side, bars can be found on main shopping street of every city. I don't see a problem in freedom; economics or opportunities visa vi Egyptian Christians!
Ok, they may tell different tales to visiting Christians but those have lived their don’t buy it.

FOR THE SECOND TIME IN THIS MATTER I AM DEAD SERIOUS!! It is not the fact that Christians are unhappy in Egypt. It is the fact that being a senior journalist you see things and write about them which makes living in Egypt very difficult for them. The only reason I have not named him is to protect his identity.


Next time ask your friend for what reason Egyptian Christians feel underprivileged as compare to fellow Muslims?

Million dollar question is; Egyptians are better off, with Mubarik or without Mubarik?


I guess you know the answer to this yourself. I have heard the same question resonating as an argument in favour of maintaining a dictator on his seat since the time of Iskandar Mirza!! What do you think the answer to this question shoud be?

Hamas likes to work independent but they lack leadership.[/QUOTE]

Does it help that you kill its leadership including a man who is old and wheel chair bound, and keep killing peope calling them terrorists. Secondly It weould help to recognize their leadership if they were given a chance to establish a government in Gazza without constant interference by Israel.All because they claim Their homeland as theirs!!!Dont believe me ___ look at the maps odf the region as it changes every decade!!!!
WASalam
Araz