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Here are some statements from a TTP spokesman:-
So what is your point?
PS: The Guard of Raza Haider, who was killed was a pashtun also.
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Here are some statements from a TTP spokesman:-
Qaimkhani said that the MQM had said time and again that the perpetrators belonged to the Awami National Party (ANP).
And when that happened? Or u just rose from ur bed and started typing?
So what is your point?
PS: The Guard of Raza Haider, who was killed was a pashtun also.
We want action now, not words: MQM The Express Tribune
Since MQM believes that this is not the handywork of sectarians like SSP or LeJ or the TTP statement is false, I assume that they have no will to remain part of the Federal Govt. whose official statements they seem to have no confidence in.
I urge Quaid-e-Tehreek Altaf Hussain to renounce his British citizenship in protest over Cameroon's remarks, come back to Karachi once and for all and control the reins of his party. There cannot be any better opportune moment for him to stabilize the party. Can I expect that to happen? Of course not.
Demanded operation in clear terms? Yes. Against whom? ANP.
The usual we-have-Pathan-members as well argument.
PS: That is what one of the few jobs that they do in Karachi.
Bcoz of this press conference, MQM made comments against ANP soon after the death of Raza Haider, but now they are saying that Govt should start operation against drug dealers, ssp stc.
There are millions of pakistani living in UK, u can ask them also, or u have some problems with altaf hussain/or u want to see him killed in karachi?
So if Shahi Syed does one diaster of a press conference and blames MQM for violence, it is justified for MQM to state that ANP murdered Reza Haider, regardless of any evidence?
I thought objectivity is of prime importance.
Altaf Hussain runs a major political party. Millions of Pakistanis do not run parties in exile.
As for the second statement, I'd rather not comment. However do you think that it is a likely outcome? I seriously hope not.
ANP always blames MQM, its nothing new, but is this press conference, he threatened, and said that 40lac men can take revenge etc etc..
So one can directly put fingers on ANP.
Pro-MQM dont want him to come karachi in present situation, but 100% of anti-MQM want him to come karachi back and get killed.
Evidence is lacking.
Great. So the situation has been bad for 18 years including the best days MQM enjoyed b/w 2002 and 2007? Come on.
I hope you're sane enough to realize that arguing that A is not right does not mean that my argument is that B is right.
ANP is as much to blame as MQM from what appears to be the situation. However, to raise fingers at a single party is moronic since the victims have been falling on both sides in what appears to be the epitome of rumour-fed urban violence.
But I;d repeat again, MQM should stop wishing and trying to assert the will to make Karachi a one-party state.
What MQM had b/w 2002/2007?
Ministry of Interior? nooooo.....
So u cant put blame on MQM...since they dont have/had authority on law and order, and its pity that they have mandate...
Ya Bodies are falling on both sides, thats the point, and who are killing those people?
The culprits lives in those areas where ANP has support, thats the main problems, ever been to karachi? Ever heard of Sohrab Goth, Saeed abad, orangi town etc etc?
I think before putting blame on MQM, people should also aknowledge that MQM is moving towards Punjab/other parts of pakistan, so why would they involve in these cheap tactics? Why would they restrict to karachi when they are trying to get support from other parts? Dont u think their is third element, which wants to see destabilize karachi, and wants fight between each other?
Can u tell me why would MQM destabilize karachi, when destabilizing it will only hurt MQM?
Pathetic argument. MQM ruled the roost with state support b/w those years. Altaf could have come back easily.
People from both sides and opportunists.
Still no evidence to back up claims.
I'll happily believe the entire account if some evidence is presented. My entire family lives in Karachi and I know the political landscape pretty well. No need to introduce me to the history of these burroughs and how they sprouted up and what goes on in there.
MQM expansion has little to do with nationalist politics. The group based ethnic-class nature of politics is nothing I want to expound on right now. I never said they're restricting to Karachi but rather they've become narcissistic about their control (thanks to state support that has strengthened these claims) and want the entire city to be their political landscape, not to be shared with anyone. In a city of nearly 180 million people, that is a non-realistic goal.
Can the third element be sectarians and militant organizations? Yes. Then why is MQM ruling that out even though MoI is staying that Reza Haider has been assassinated by sectarians and TTP have releases a statement in this regard.
Did I say MQM wants to "destabilize karachi". Your words, not mine.
MQM had support from govt, but still they warned that govt 2 times, that they will leave govt.
U are taking active part in discusion and u said u know much abt karachi and ur family is in karachi, but still u dont know abt the Dozens of High Class commanders of Millitants, that were arrested from karachi, u dont know abt parralell ecnomy of talibans that runs from karachi.
I can help u....google link for u...
taliban arrested from karachi - Google Search
Is this not enough to start operation against those peoples?(not ANP)
Qaimkhani said that the MQM had said time and again that the perpetrators belonged to the Awami National Party (ANP).
Everyone knows who is harbouring the Taliban, drug and land mafia in Karachi. It is time that an operation be launched and the culprits brought to task.
So when MQM ruled that out? Even in recent interviews, MQM leaders are asking govt to take actions against millitants, banned orgs, ssp etc.
U didnt said but 99.99% of anti-MQM people says that, any incident happens in karachi, then people starts bashing MQM.
U are saying again and again that MQM cant control city of 180mn pop, but dont u think with this huge pop, there are criminals/militants who kills people in karachi?
No i cant do your work here, for that u will have to come here in karachi, and today i m very tired and sad, coz of lifting his dead body
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Meh.
Does this not suggest that the Sindh Police, especially the CID has been performing far better than their counterparts in Punjab and especially Lahore?
There's a lot of evidence of TTP financiers looting banks but MQM in its statements has not labeled any militant organizations or any terrorist organization specifically. The nature of those statements being ambiguous and sometimes direct is self explanatory.
This statement summarizes:-
But I'll be objective and state this as well:-
Why the un-named mafias? Till when will this unknown mafia naming go on? Name the people who harbour them, name the people who are the mafia rulers, name the places where they are hiding.
Be clear about what you;re stating. For keen observers, the statements are clear in what they attempt to narrate.
The whole country speaks of that. Not an exclusive group. Although I would state that MQM has the least love for sectarians and militants unlike PML(N).
Respond to me, not the general public.
Since you happen to harbour the narrative that a general perception need not always be wrong, think about why is the general perception along those lines.
There are whole kidnapping-for-ransom gangs that operate from Hub, Tharparkar and other areas as well. Karachi being the hub of crime is not news.
I will maintain that MQM seems to want an entire city to be its political playground.