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MQM is "Against" the de-weaponization of Karachi.

How do you propose that it should happen? Since gun culture is now embedded in Pakistani society.

Tough, question. To be honest i don't know considering that, we Pakistanis have 83 million weapons excluding Military. On one side it is a right for a citizen to own arms and on the other side the misuse of these weapons. It, is not an impossible task but indeed won't be easy to accomplish.

There are two aspects here, one as Contrarian said is social and it required it's own mechanics ....

On the other hand, once a weapon is sold, is sold it is difficult to find them, and to get them back. Howver the moving comodity is ammunition.

Weapons are of no use, without Ammunition and it is here that the government can introduct legislation to monitor and manage this market.

All said and done, no plan for peace will be successful in Pakistan until and unless the border with Afghanistan is sealed - Bullet proof and water tight - and all the Afghan Refugess are counted and sent home.
 
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There are thousands of illegal arms factories in Pakistan .. This should start from KPK , punjab , sindh & Baluchistan. Only disarming karachietes will leave the entire city badly exposed to talibans and extremists
Disarming of Karachi will expose MQM the terrorist party and people of Karachi will get rid of it really very soon and also it will not win elections next time and nor it would be able to take bhatta from people and do street crimes
 
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Well, that statement by MQM is indefensible as far as I'm concerned. Because even if we were to go by MQM's logic, i.e. Deweaponize Pakistan and not Karachi only, we'd have to start somewhere, wouldn't we? And since Karachi is a part of Pakistan and Law&Order situation isn't pretty either, why not begin deweaponization with Karachi?


seal karachi and deweaponise it! simple then move up and do the same with rest of sindh & moving up!! BUT FIRST KARACHI where daily atleast 5 people are gunned down! this city is the worse i feel in the world in terms of gun crimes!

but not shocked at MQM's stance whenever there is talk about deweaponising karachi they start crying as if it is ONLY against them.

Why whole Sindh? Apart from Karachi, Sindh is as peaceful as it gets. Why this obsession with Sindh, by the way?
 
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I disagree, For some God forbid reasons when it comes to Karachi you people seem to be stuck to the notion that MQM is the only party which is responsible, In Karachi there are many groups like MQM, MQM(H), PPP, Aman Comittee, Sunni Tehrek, PML(N) and others, You guys seriously think that it's only MQM armed to the teeth here? For those who are from Karachi and know the areas and their distribution, there is a reason why MQM can't penetrate Al-Asif Square, Katti Pahari etc and there is a reason why likes of ANP and others can't penetrate areas such as Azizabad, F.B.Area and Lines Area.

I support the statement that deweaponization should be across the board i.e. through out the country and should not be restricted to Karachi only.
 
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Why whole Sindh? Apart from Karachi, Sindh is as peaceful as it gets. Why this obsession with Sindh, by the way?

good .. again very good your posts make me laugh.......
thnx dear
sindhi waderas are peace full?? you do not know the situation of entire sindh.

Note. MQM people would surely oppose this bill because then how will they collect bhata?? party kaisy chaly gay.
Altaf bhai ko heart attack aa jaye ga .
 
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Disarming of Karachi will expose MQM the terrorist party and people of Karachi will get rid of it really very soon and also it will not win elections next time and nor it would be able to take bhatta from people and do street crimes

here i agree yeah MQM is a serious TERROR for all sorts of extermists , taliban and their sympathizers and thats pretty much the bottom line of all the trouble in karachi since afghan war and influx of refugees.
 
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here i agree yeah MQM is a serious TERROR for all sorts of extermists , taliban and their sympathizers and thats pretty much the bottom line of all the trouble in karachi since afghan war and influx of refugees.
MQM is a terrorist party threatens innocent people of Karachi kill them rob them take bhatta from traders of Karachi involved in every crime in Karachi has become a cancer for people of Karachi and it should be dealt cancer is dealt
 
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here i agree yeah MQM is a serious TERROR for all sorts of extermists , taliban and their sympathizers and thats pretty much the bottom line of all the trouble in karachi since afghan war and influx of refugees.

g aur woh taliban say khalen chhen rahy they?? ya karachi main taliban ke factories hain jin say altaf bhai bhata lety hain ?? ya sara karachi taliban hai??? taliban ko issue bana kar aam logon ka jena haram kia howa hai.
aur 90 main kon say taliban they karachi main ?? tab bhe MQM aur pPp nay khoob lot mar machai the.
 
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Well, that statement by MQM is indefensible as far as I'm concerned. Because even if we were to go by MQM's logic, i.e. Deweaponize Pakistan and not Karachi only, we'd have to start somewhere, wouldn't we? And since Karachi is a part of Pakistan and Law&Order situation isn't pretty either, why not begin deweaponization with Karachi?
Why whole Sindh? Apart from Karachi, Sindh is as peaceful as it gets. Why this obsession with Sindh, by the way?

Any move to deweaponize sindh or any of its city will seriously jeopardize all the safcrifice since last 30years by secular forces , extremists wish to take control and impose their ideology , we the people of sindh have not tried imposing or threatned any kind of idealogy on any one , its a certain group who are well know around the globe ... There is a urgent need of operation but it has to start from KPK - North Waziristan. I mean wtf the state securtiy aparatus cannot enter in those areas , an entire area is held hostage by extremists , there on wards we have Baluchistan where there is no writ of state.
 
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good .. again very good your posts make me laugh.......
thnx dear
sindhi waderas are peace full?? you do not know the situation of entire sindh.

Note. MQM people would surely oppose this bill because then how will they collect bhata?? party kaisy chaly gay.
Altaf bhai ko heart attack aa jaye ga .

Laugh harder and more than you can ... btw agar extremists aur un kay tattoon say khalain cheeni hai tu i support the move as the state and the estabilishment were fckn sleeping
 
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National Assembly passes MQM’s deweaponisation resolution


By Web DeskPublished: November 20, 2012

ANP, JUI and PML-N oppose resolution to deweaponise the entire country. PHOTO: EXPRESS/ FILE
The National Assembly passed a deweaponisation resolution on Tuesday presented by the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), reported Express News.
The resolution was presented by MQM leader Dr Farooq Sattar and was opposed by Awami National Party (ANP), Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) and Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N).
ANP had opposed the resolution as the party wanted to deweaponise Karachi only while the MQM opted for deweaponisation of the entire country.
The ANP had moved a motion in the Senate earlier seeking effective measures from the government to deweaponise Karachi in view of the prevailing law and order situation.
Dr Sattar, speaking to the media after the NA session, said that the problem of terrorism should be rooted out from the country. “Karachi, Lahore, Multan, Peshawar, Quetta and all places where innocent Pakistani are being killed will be cleansed [through deweaponisation].”
The MQM leader expressed hope that the deweaponisation bill, which the MQM presented in January 2011, will also be approved.
He said that the first step in deweaponisation would be to hunt down the factories of weapons and then the sellers – whether they are inside or outside the country – and take action against them.
“We have invited all political parties to come onboard for the sake of national interest,” he added.
The issue of military operations in Karachi and deweaponisation sprang up after a recent bomb blast that took place near an imambargah in Karachi.
 
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Karachi operation rhetoric triggers fresh tensions


By Our CorrespondentsPublished: November 20, 2012

MQM leader Altaf Hussain states that “certain state powers” are baying for an operation, and his party is being made a “sacrificial lamb”. PHOTO: FILE


ISLAMABAD / KARACHI:
The clock has been turned back two decades in the country’s financial capital – and it revolves around that one contentious word: ‘Operation.’
With the city under fresh tension — this time sectarian — following a bomb attack near an imbargah, Monday saw the rhetoric of an operation slowly build up towards a political storm, and threatening to go even further than that.
Tension on the matter had been building up for a few days, but was truly set off by Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) leader Khursheed Shah’s statement that a sweeping security operation in Karachi is on the cards to bring normalcy to the city.
The notion was also echoed by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N)’s chief. Nawaz Sharif expressed support for an operation in the city, saying that peace would remain elusive if “military wings of the ruling PPP and its coalition partners” continued to operate in Karachi.
“The Supreme Court had ordered in its verdict in Karachi law and order case that the military wings of the political parties be eliminated from Karachi,” he pointed out, while addressing the media on Monday.
On his part, Khursheed Shah claimed that all stakeholders have been taken on board in terms of the operation, adding that all political parties, including the MQM and the ANP, supported such a move in Karachi. He was talking to media persons outside Parliament House after briefing a parliamentary committee.
The government, however, is yet to decide a “method of action” in order to avoid “collateral damage,” he added.
Before him, the Senate passed a motion that recommended the de-weaponisation of Karachi, and Senators lashed out at the “militant wings of political parties” in the city.
MQM takes exception
Later in the day, Karachi’s ruling party seemed to take exception to the buildup. First, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) chief Altaf Hussain raised the spectre of an operation similar to that in Karachi in 1992.
The reference is alarming given that the 1992 operation and its aftermath ushered in the darkest days of Karachi in terms of politico-ethnic violence.
In a speech on Monday, Hussain raised concern that “certain state powers” were baying for an operation, and his party is being made a “sacrificial lamb”.
In a speech to members of the party in Lahore and Rawalpindi, Hussain said that baseless allegations were being leveled against the MQM as part of a plan to “crush the party.”
Hussain said that those conspiring should realise that, unlike in 1992, the MQM now has a presence throughout the country and its supporters would protest at any action against it.
Rabita Committee
Hussain’s speech was followed by strongly-worded statement by members of the MQM Rabita (Coordination) Committee, who turned on “a federal minister” for his statement on the violence in Karachi.
It is unclear whether the reference was to Khursheed Shah or Interior Minister Rehman Malik. Earlier on Monday, Malik said that the attack on an imambargah on Sunday was the work of a ‘third power’ and was not a sectarian attack.
The committee noted that Karachi’s residents were well aware which banned organisations were involved in sectarian killings, but instead of blaming them, “the minister” was threatening Karachiites with an operation.
They noted that the passage of a resolution in the Senate, calling for Karachi to be “cleansed of weapons” was meaningful for Pakistanis. In the statement, they asked whether they were only weapons in Karachi and not the rest of Pakistan. The party leaders also questioned whether the Pakistan Peoples Party’s members were “reigniting their policy against Karachi”.
The senate resolution
Earlier in the day, a majority of senators agreed that the law and order situation in the financial hub of the country could not reach normalcy without abolishing militant wings of political parties.
The motion, moved by Awami National Party (ANP) Senator Shahi Syed, sought effective measures from the government to deweaponise Karachi in view of the prevailing law and order situation.
During the session, in surprising move, ANP Senator Azam Khan Hoti – the K-P chief minister’s father – expressed his sympathies with the MQM, recalling that previous military operations launched in Karachi either by the Pakistan Peoples Party or the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz in the 1990s had proved to be a thrashing of the MQM rather than militants.
He went on to proceeded towards MQM Senator Babar Khan Ghauri and shook his hand, saying it was the only way to remain united against the common enemy – militancy and terrorism.
“The best way to resolve the issue is to sit together and show sincerity and honesty to correct the situation,” he said.
ANP turns to SC
ANP’s Haji Muhammad Adeel approached the apex court on the worsening law and order situation in Karachi, saying that the court’s orders in the suo motu case on Karachi violence were violated by the authorities concerned. He filed a contempt of court petition against the Sindh chief secretary, home secretary and inspector general of the Sindh Police for this defiance.
 
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Its dam hate hate hate, all of us & its against each other just to get more seats, more power ,more loots more crouption?
With no solution?
Thts happen when damo-crazy been in the run in a country where all the powerfull elites wants more?
Stratigicly any GOP can't just send all its troops into a city like karachi to cordnd off all the dam city & strt a house to house search?
Its the peoples of that city who hve to take initiative? & guys remember karachi has a big price on its head , which couldbe paid by any of our big brothers like of uncle sam , uncle tom?
The best way forward is to give MQM the interrior minStry & let them know to clean the mess , if they can't then that could be the time to call the army with all the political support. Tht was happend in sawat?

Bt with the wish list of a grup of some political parties who can't get a provancial seat in sindh its highly likly , its going to be a civil war, with only a single incident like of murtaza bhuto,s fake encounter!
 
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gun laws should be stricted like UK leaving no gun in civilians hands.
 
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In my opinion first of all KPK, FATA and Pashtun areas of Balochistan should be de-weaponized. Every Pashtun household in Pakistan has guns, it is our zewar, but it was for english and other invaders and now is 21st century, so i am in favour of de-weaponization of entire pashtun belt........pathan se bandooq cheeno aur qalam pakrrao.....
As for as karachi is concerned, MQMites are ghundas and target killers of pashtuns and others, they cant operate without weapons.....they would definately oppose such bill.

The problem is in Karachi and its roots are also in Karachi. You MQM sympathisers obfuscate the issue by bringing other provinces and deliberately bringing in ethnic name calling. As I said MQM main power is politics of bullet and gun and we dont expect MQM to abandon its guns so easily.

I agree with the point that first the criminal elements must be done away. And please bring back the capital punishment.
 
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