Mourn idea of India, but don’t forget that the idea of people is changing too

[Ajay Ghatak]

Ah, the magical rule of BJP from 2014 onward, from a thread just some days ago :

If you wish to talk about argi-distress and what Modi is doing about it, create a separate thread.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And there is no concrete proof of Indus Valley Civilization having anything to do with Hinduism. @Indus Pakistan, can you add to this or correct me ?

If I see shadows of my face on Moon there is not much you can do to correct me. Those lines, dots, smudges on the face of the Moon are my face reflected. I choose to and insist that. Can you do anything to change my mind? No.

Hinduism is a syncretism fused by the Vedic beliefs that came from what is now Northern Pakistan and then incubated in various forms across South Asia. Mixing and aggregating with local lore to create the galaxy that British definined as "Hinduism". It took the British to even name it and give the motley groups of peoples ranging from the Austro-Aboriginals to Indo -Iranians a sense of being "Hindu".

Today lacking any historical pedigree the recently emancipated hordes [from poverty and nakedness] of Ganga basin they search, search for anything to polish their existence. Much like Bollywood creates a make believe world similiarly these people make believe by building their identity castles on what is Indus Pakistan.

 

[KurtisBrian]

I want a land for my people: Hindus. Being humane is besides the point.

Sure as hell Muslims were not humane while cleansing Bengal in 71. Many folks in this forum celebrate that "Military victory". Shall I find and link that post?

but you are not even in India. If what you said was true you would be in India not living off of others in Canada. Unless of course you are in Canada to take usurp it by stealth for your people.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

but you are not even in India. If what you said was true you would be in India not living off of others in Canada. Unless of course you are in Canada to take usurp it by stealth for your people.

I see Khalistani in Canada day in and day out supporting a land for Sikhs in India. No one bats an eye on that. They contribute quite a bit to their cause. Its a totally different thing that they are not taken seriously by Sikhs in India.

Why the hell Hindus should not do the same for their religion. Hindus need a homeland. Hindu-nationhood gaining a major traction is a bit more of a noval idea. It has been around for long but only recently it is gaining popularity among Hindus.

 

[KurtisBrian]

I see Khalistani in Canada day in and day out supporting a land for Sikhs in India. No one bats an eye on that. They contribute quite a bit to their cause. Its a totally different thing that they are not taken seriously by Sikhs in India.

Why the hell Hindus should not do the same for their religion. Hindus need a homeland. Hindu-nationhood gaining a major traction is a bit more of a noval idea. It has been around for long but only recently it is gaining popularity among Hindus.

Hindus already have the wealthiest nation on Earth so you cannot be in Canada to help India or Hindus have a homeland. You are in Canada to help yourself because like a normal greedy selfish person you want more. That is normal. Canada, due to how it works and many of its people is a very easy place to get more. That is fine but that is not Hindu nationalism. It is you for you.

 

[jamahir]

Because Pakistan and B'desh are REAL references for India. This is what happens when Muslims of the subcontinent gain majority and power in a land. So, about time we make sure that such thing never happens in India. Nip the problem in the bud. About time we make India a Hindu land. A land exclusive for Hindus. A homeland for Hindus.

I will again say that you should ask Modi to recant his "Sabka saath sabka vikaas" slogan and put forth your ethnic-cleansing sentiment to the audience at the UNO. I will be interested in the reaction of the other representatives.

No, it is not the Gov't it is the people.

Unlike in say a revolutionary government in Cuba, in India almost all of the governments since Independence have been elected by the people, including in the 2014 and 2019 elections when they elected a Hindu right-wing party to power. A lot of the people are thus involved in ignoring the background problems in the country, in fact they are the problem.

In many a country the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years would have led to uprising and change of system.

I am certain India is an extremely competitive place, a "dog eat dog" society.

You are correct. For example, student suicides that are caused directly by the family and indirectly by the education and employment system.

I am not being paid to rule or fix the problem so I am not going to try to fix it.

Yes, that is the general sentiment here. Apathy. That is why I desire a communist system here with everyone actively contributing to society with whatever is their capability.

If you wish to talk about argi-distress and what Modi is doing about it, create a separate thread.

Fine but it was you who said that Hindutva forces were not in governance for most of the years. I just pointed out the recent reality.

Hinduism is a syncretism fused by the Vedic beliefs that came from what is now Northern Pakistan

You should look more Westwards into ancient Iranic lands.

Our Parsi member @padamchen has indicated that Hinduism is an offshoot of Zoroastrianism or both had a common origin.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Yes, that is the general sentiment here. Apathy. That is why I desire a communist system here with everyone actively contributing to society with whatever is their capability.

So not working for free is Apathy? You spend your days working for nothing? I look around and everybody gets paid when they work either via loans or fat pay cheques. With that money they obtain many things. So whatever I do, did, I will no longer do.

re communism. I don't like communism. It cannot work because it is economically and morally unjust. I dislike fascism even more than communism. Fascism is not only unjust it is racist and violent. Both forms of gov't and economy are great if you want to destroy something.

 

[jamahir]

So not working for free is Apathy? You spend your days working for nothing? I look around and everybody gets paid when they work either via loans or fat pay cheques. With that money they obtain many things. So whatever I do, did, I will no longer do.

Well, I ask you to read this thread of mine where I have tried to address that via a new economic system.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You should look more Westwards into ancient Iranic lands.

North West Pakistan has been part of Iranic lands from Achaemenid times. Indeed you are right that Sanskrit and Avestan are sister languages. Certainly not burnished in the swamps of the Ganges ...

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

I will again say that you should ask Modi to recant his "Sabka saath sabka vikaas" slogan and put forth your ethnic-cleansing sentiment to the audience at the UNO. I will be interested in the reaction of the other representatives.

Well, Hindus can learn a thing or two from Muslims too. Like deception. If Hindutva has to survive its infancy, it need to do the same Taqiya tactic that Muslims do to survive and thrive in a hostile environment.

 

[jamahir]

Well, Hindus can learn a thing or two from Muslims too. Like deception. If Hindutva has to survive its infancy, it need to do the same Taqiya tactic that Muslims do to survive and thrive in a hostile environment.

All these "Muslim" things in India - Taqiyya, Love Jihad, UPSC Jihad - they don't exist in reality.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

In many a country the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years would have led to uprising and change of system.

India has a workforce of 450 million. About 42% of it in engaged in agriculture.

That means about 180 million employed in agriculture. So 30,000 suicides average per year amounts to what? 16 per hundred thousand per year with in agriculture workforce?

South korea for instance has a OVERALL sucide rate of 20 per hundred thousand per year.
Japan for instance has a OVERALL suicide rate of 14.2 per hundred thousand per year.

I don't see Japanese or South Koreans crying to replace their government.

Relative and absolute numbers need to be put in their proper perspective.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

All these "Muslim" things in India - Taqiyya, Love Jihad, UPSC Jihad - they don't exist in reality.

Do you mean to say Taqiyya as a concept does not exist among any Muslims?

 

[jamahir]

India has a workforce of 450 million. About 42% of it in engaged in agriculture.

That means about 180 million employed in agriculture. So 30,000 suicides average per year amounts to what? 16 per hundred thousand per year with in agriculture workforce?

South korea for instance has a OVERALL sucide rate of 20 per hundred thousand per year.
Japan for instance has a OVERALL suicide rate of 14.2 per hundred thousand per year.

I don't see Japanese or South Koreans crying to replace their government.

Relative and absolute numbers need to be put in their proper perspective.

@KurtisBrian, above is an example of how many from India's middle class who voted for the right-wing, majoritarian BJP party, rationalize injustices, tragedies and miseries.

Are they sane ?

 

[KurtisBrian]

Well, I ask you to read this thread of mine where I have tried to address that via a new economic system.

Some parts of what you wrote are already being done or trialed.
The core of what you wrote seems to be a consumption based economy. You made most consumption free for the consumer. This rewards those who like to play, party perhaps live fun lives in the cities. While people in the country get no real benefit, they just pay.

Consumption based economies don't work because they consume and destroy accumulated wealth.