Mourn idea of India, but don’t forget that the idea of people is changing too

[Joe Shearer]

Resorting to trolling when you can't argue suits you well,typical for an old self proclaimed liberal reading The print to pass time , fighting for liberal India from an armchair...must be fun !

You are laughably wrong.

I no longer have the time to argue with script kiddies.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

When did this happen?

One more Rajya Sabha voice vote? Or did you just wake up?

It should have happened since when Indian Muslims got their own country. Fortunately, Hindus realized it sooner than too late.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Christians were slaughtered by death squads in south Sudan; why are any left alive in India?

If you want to use silly arguments, there is no shortage of these.

I doubt South Sudan shares the same past with us as Pakistan and B'desh do. Do I need to remind you of our shared past? ie India, Pakistan and B'desh?

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

A case of a seriously addled brain. I seriously suggest professional help; it may not be too late.

If ad hominum is the best you got, may I put you on the ignore list?

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

There goes the rule of law.

Now that I am sure as a Shiva-loving Hindu that Mount Kailash exists, do you prescribe that we fight a war to win it back?

Have you no idea how many thousands of encroachments have taken place due to some neighbourhood bully creating a shrine out of thin air? You actually want to make this state policy?

If in Pakistan a Christian can be put on death list for allegedly insulting Islam, if a Hindu has to 'relinquish' his daughter because a muslim has taken shine on her, then why not in India? Islam rules supreme in Pakistan then native religions should rule supreme in India.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

So? What else does Pakistan do, according to you, that we must follow slavishly?

How inferior must a person feel when he starts carbon copying his social attitudes from a supposedly hated and despised neighbour?

Again, and again, and again, you display an obsession with Pakistan and a total void where your own reasoned arguments should be.

Once you have cleaned up this 'counter-dependency', you might be fit to articulate a point of view, any point of view, including your own individual point of view. As long as you display this mentally crippled behaviour, there is nothing that you can say, or think of, that will make sense to others.

Here is a very simple and true fact. Islam and Muslims rules supreme in Pakistan while Hinduism and Hindus are always challenged and made to concede defeat in India (via the same secular laws which were forced on us) at every single instance. I will argue that Hindus in Hindustan are a secondary citizens! Infact Hindustan is a misnomer as Hindus never had any say in this country. It should be called Secularistan or something.

On the other hand, sure as hell, Pakistan got it right and there is no shame and harm in admitting that. Its about time Hindus copy what is right and correct in Pakistan and apply to India as well.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Why should it?

Simply because of federal structure of India. Local differences are federated and local laws are crafted to support local opinons.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Again, and again, and again, you display an obsession with Pakistan and a total void where your own reasoned arguments should be.

I am obsessed with Pakistan because they have fashioned a country in which their faith rules supreme. All this while Hindus (and native religions of India) were progressively losing control and ground in India.

May I ask, why are you so obsessed with the idea that Hindus and other native religions of India should acommodate the invasive foreign religions in our lands?

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Then how do you explain the Bhim Army which is a Dalit group and allied with the progressives from JNU ?

Who are Bhim Army?

Maxism and communism always attracts some weird rag tag high decible types calling themselves "revolutionaries", "army" etc. They often end up in jail or are shot by police or at time real Army. The wiser among them become professors or journalist. Most of the time, these left leaning folks are left out of actual polity of the nation.

 

[jamahir]

Who are Bhim Army?

Maxism and communism always attracts some weird rag tag high decible types calling themselves "revolutionaries", "army" etc. They often end up in jail or are shot by police or at time real Army. The wiser among them become professors or journalist. Most of the time, these left leaning folks are left out of actual polity of the nation.

But in certain other countries they became the governance. Why shouldn't that be replicated in India ? After all they have nothing but people's welfare and harmony in mind and not preaching of the supremacy of one religion over another.

Lastly, you didn't reply to the fact that Dalits are not overwhelmingly supportive of the same Hindutva that oppresses them.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

But in certain other countries they became the governance.

And then those countries go bust.
Example : USSR, Venezuela, China before Deng Xiao Peng got wiser, India during the "Hindu rate of growth" time.

Why shouldn't that be replicated in India ?

See above.

After all they have nothing but people's welfare and harmony in mind and not preaching of the supremacy of one religion over another.

No, these rag tag types are too stupid to govern any thing. When they do get a chance, they mess everything royally.

 

[KurtisBrian]

It should have happened since when Indian Muslims got their own country. Fortunately, Hindus realized it sooner than too late.

India is Hindu land. Muslims are from the deserts and wastelands, India had water and forests. Hindus and Muslims are natural enemies and have been fighting or at war for over a thousand years.
Hindus have forests and farm. Christians have forests and farm. Hindus and Christians are natural allies.
Muslims and Africans are natural allies. Both have few forests and are herders. Muslims should be investing and moving into Central Africa. Lots of people wanting to work. Indeeds investment and bosses. No shortage of women.

 

[jamahir]

And then those countries go bust.
Example : USSR

USSR existed for 69 years which is less than India's 70+ and USSR was a super-power in every sense.

Take space. USSR had multiple space stations and its experience is now being utilized by India who will only launch its first people into space in about two years.

Venezuela

What about Venezuela ? Only a few weeks ago some American mercenaries were arrested there. They had landed by sea to initiate sabotage.

India during the "Hindu rate of growth" time.

Are you saying that India was / is a real socialist country ?

No, these rag tag types are too stupid to govern any thing. When they do get a chance, they mess everything royally.

Fidel Castro and Che Guevara also led a "rag tag" group. And then they took over the governance of Cuba.

 

[jamahir]

India is Hindu land.

As I said earlier, Hinduism is not native to India. It is only a 1500 or so years older than Islam in India.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Lastly, you didn't reply to the fact that Dalits are not overwhelmingly supportive of the same Hindutva that oppresses them.

You know, in UP, majority are either SC/ST or OBC. There is a reason they are called "Bahujan" meaning majority. And BJP for two times (2014, 2019 and state elections) have swept UP clean defeating likes of Mayawati (the pure SC/ST goddess) and Akhilesh Yadav (the pure Aheer god). Heck even when they combined their forces. This is to the point where the SC/ST/OBC leaders cann't simply score a single seat.

If dalits and OBC were not onboard with BJP's Hindutva agenda, they could have not survived in Indian polity. No one can.