Mosul Consulate Hostage Crisis (Update: All Hostages Have Been Freed)

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Basically we are screwed no matter what we do. We have to wake up and smell the coffee. We are living in a crazy region and we have to face the reality that we cant do anything about it and that we will never have good/stable relations with any of our neighbors. Our borders will always be insecure/ in questionable condition. Whatever actions we take we will end up in a loss one way or another the only thing we can win is honor.

If we help turkmens hostages are dead. If we try to rescue hostages then they get killed and so do Turkmens. If we stand still we look bad and turkmens die and hostages still are not free.

Eventually the government has to make a decision about what to do and everyone should be prepared for a negative outcome because that is really all that can happen.

Or we can play switzerland for the rest of our history and not deal with that many issues.

I really would like to know what our forefathers took into consideration when they were making tough decisions. Ataturk, Osman Ghazi, those types of guys?

Don't forget ISIS is all over the border with Turkey in Syria & Suleyman Shah would be attacked, Turkey's hands are tied here if you ask me. It's simply too risky, both for the state and AKP. To play it safe you need a a force not connected to Turkey to do these actions.

 

[Brutas]

Turkey should deploy small special forces. Turkish & Kurdish forces from the North. Iranian & Iraqi forces from the south and East could trap them. Negotiation could start, in return for their lives they would leave the cities and harm no-one.
Note pro-Russian insurgents & Ukrainian government will eventually settle the dispute thru diplomacy.

It shows in any conflict in today's world political settlement has to be there and not only military option.

 

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Mate, seriously can you solve a hostage situation by showing your handgun to kidnapper ? Is there even an example of that ?

Yes, there are plenty of situations within US history where kidnappings and hostage taking has been resolved by show of force.

Turkey amassing troops on the border and conducting large scale exercises would make those ISIS scum double think their strategy. Those schits don't understand soft power.

Mate, i don't know what will Erdogan do but in 1970s nobody could stopped us from invading a western christian country. Now we are in 2014, military and political power is at the peak of Turkey's history.

No point bringing that up, that situation is completely different and in a different era. Plus Turkey suffered immensely for it, even if it was the right thing to do.

 

[-SINAN-]

Yes, there are plenty of situations within US history where kidnappings and hostage taking has been resolved by show of force.
Turkey amassing troops on the border and conducting large scale exercises would make those ISIS scum double think their strategy. Those schits don't understand soft power.

Agreed to disagree.

 

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Agreed to disagree.

That's fine, we aren't here to agree with each other all the time. It would be a boring forum if we did ;-)

 

[Juice]

Turkey isnt supporting islamists in Syria or Iraq, it's the FSA you mean and they are fundementally not islamists.

Trying to explain to most here that many civil-wars have more than two sides is useless.

-FSA mean is people of Syria (Sunni, Alevi and Nusayri sections) supported by Turkey and UN

-ISIL mean is Sunni terrorists group (founded in Iraq when USA invade there)

-El-Nusra mean is collection group (jihadist people coming from other countries, Sunnis)

-Hezbullah mean is Shia terrorists supported by Iran

-El-Kaide (Sunni) founded in Afghanistan by USA against Russia in 1988 and they are still active, also which is doing cooperation with another terrorists group in the world.

-Shebbiha mean is militia group of Nusayris which supported by Esad (Nusayris, Alevis and Shia close each other as a section)

I hope it is clear now...

So Turkey only supporting FSA against regime with UN.

Good to see someone understands the many facets of this conflict. Little known that even in the US Civil war there were some small factions that supported neither side. Another famous one was the Russian revolution....it was far more than just monarchist vs. Bolsheviks. But they were A) some of the largest....and B) the victors in the end (as far as the Bolsheviks).

Don't forget ISIS is all over the border with Turkey in Syria & Suleyman Shah would be attacked, Turkey's hands are tied here if you ask me. It's simply too risky, both for the state and AKP. To play it safe you need a a force not connected to Turkey to do these actions.

Really? I thought ISIS was more southern-Syria northern-Iraq. Isn't the FSA more in the North of Syria? (on the Turkish border)

 

[Farooq]

@Syrian Lion looks like the turks are getting a taste of their own medicine after the chaos they helped cause in Syria

the hunter has become the hunted LOL!

 

[Juice]

Mate, government is even telling journalists to not post news that would provoke the terrorists and you are saying we should conduct a training... not possible till we get our people back.



NATO is not involving in this incident. We can go in strike and get out, nobody can tell a damn thing. Maliki wouldn't mind either.

True.....NATO is a defense agreement. It doesn't prevent members from taking action in their own interest. Of course, there will be meetings and coordination. Most likely action will be encouraged.

@Syrian Lion looks like the turks are getting a taste of their own medicine after the chaos they helped cause in Syria

the hunter has become the hunted LOL!

Seems to me they have the brains to go in the opposite direction of the Turkish border.

 

[xenon54 out]

@Syrian Lion looks like the turks are getting a taste of their own medicine after the chaos they helped cause in Syria

the hunter has become the hunted LOL!

 

[T-123456]

Basically we are screwed no matter what we do. We have to wake up and smell the coffee. We are living in a crazy region and we have to face the reality that we cant do anything about it and that we will never have good/stable relations with any of our neighbors. Our borders will always be insecure/ in questionable condition. Whatever actions we take we will end up in a loss one way or another the only thing we can win is honor.

If we help turkmens hostages are dead. If we try to rescue hostages then they get killed and so do Turkmens. If we stand still we look bad and turkmens die and hostages still are not free.

Eventually the government has to make a decision about what to do and everyone should be prepared for a negative outcome because that is really all that can happen.

Or we can play switzerland for the rest of our history and not deal with that many issues.

I really would like to know what our forefathers took into consideration when they were making tough decisions. Ataturk, Osman Ghazi, those types of guys?

They would have acted,no matter the costs.
Think about my signature.

 

[Hakan]

Turkish fighter jets fly over rebel-held Mosul | General | Worldbulletin News

 

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1200 ISOF forces have been dropped in Tal afar by helicopter, 100+ ISIS have been killed in tal afar today, the city will be safe for now.


civillians took up arms

 

[Syrian Lion]

@Syrian Lion looks like the turks are getting a taste of their own medicine after the chaos they helped cause in Syria

the hunter has become the hunted LOL!

If AKP cared about their own citizens they would not have supported terrorists... look at AKP now, their consulate got run by it terrorists and AKP doesn't care, because ISIS are its own soldiers, and tomorrow they will easily negotiate with the terrorists fro their release... AKP didn't even mention any type of interfering to rescue its citizens...

 

[Timur]

If AKP cared about their own citizens they would not have supported terrorists... look at AKP now, their consulate got run by it terrorists and AKP doesn't care, because ISIS are its own soldiers, and tomorrow they will easily negotiate with the terrorists fro their release... AKP didn't even mention any type of interfering to rescue its citizens...

that isil is not fsa for your alawi and shia heads it cannot fit you think that they are same.. we did not sopport isil

AKP is much more cared about their citizens than your fake post.. making any action without thinking will make more damages..
since we are in Nato we should benefit from it.. it will take a while but a strong answer will come..

 

[Syrian Lion]

that isil is not fsa for your alawi and shia heads it cannot fit you think that they are same.. we did not sopport isil

AKP is much more cared about their citizens than your fake post.. making any action without thinking will make more damages..
since we are in Nato we should benefit from it.. it will take a while but a strong answer will come..

AKP supported chaos in Syria, there would be no strong ISIS if AKP didn't support terrorists, plus AKP suppot Jubhat Alnusra AQ, F$A= Jubhat Alnusra... the whole world knows that every F$A battle was fought by AQ JN