Moment Of Truth :---

[MastanKhan]

If u will get 150 jets they will buy another 500...what u will do then???

Hi,

In a war theater you can only use so many aircraft because of restriction imposed by the geography of the region---.

2nd world war---the german had lot more aircraft than the british at the start of battle of britain---and yet with lesser number of aircraft---the british prevailed and the germans lost---because there are only so many aircraft you can put n the arena---.

Next---the indians will never have enough pilots to fly those 500 extra aircraft---. They don't have enough pilots to fly their current inventory---.

There is always an optimal level of inventory---above that number and you become TOP HEAVY and below that number---you get handicapped---.

So---what I have stated so far is that since the last 40 years---we have never ever reached that minimal OPTIMAL number of aircraft to counter and overcome the enemy---.

We have always run way short due to one reason or another----.

Readers instead of getting pis-sed off at me---should do a cold calculation---because since the last week---we are tactically in a condition of full fledged war---.

So---stop getting mad at me and direct your anger the resource I have pointed out towards---.

 

[SirHatesALot]

damn your hate for Paf is strong

 

[MastanKhan]

PAF is short of frontline fighters that is absolutely correct but our Navy is also not in a good shape. But have we seen budget of both arms? Who to blame here?

Hi,

Budget and navy---they ordered 8 subs for how much---was it 5 or 8 billion dollars---they have ordered 4 type 054's and multiple other vessels---.

You keep talking about lack of funds yet you have no clue that the navy has about close to 10 billion dollars worth of equipment in the pipeline right now---.

Paf donated 5 billion dollars to earthquake relief funds in 2005---the money that was plundered---.

 

[Humble Analyst]

And the superior pilot training of PAF counter that effectively.

It is a numbers game as well especially with the new electronic warfare tactics. Quality alone cannot make up for numbers and then there is the question of planes quality as well

 

[Imran Khan]

Hi,

You have found a nice way to make fun of the issue to hide it---but the fact does not change---.

A front line fighter aircraft is like a potent medicine to save the nation from invading infectious enemy bacteria---.

If it was your children or parents suffering from infection---you would find the best antibiotics to save their lives---.

The video I posted yesterday and got deleted had some very interesting information about what Air Chief Marshall Asghar Khan wrote to his counter part in india---.

But what I was shocked at was what Air Marshall Nur Khan wrote as an op ed piece in a pakistani news paper at the dawn of 65 war---.

Totally shocking---. Pakistani public needs to hear that---. Even air force personal need to hear it---.

Bu the issues stays the same---Paf is between 100-150 frontline aircraft short as of now---.

our economy is 100 to 150bn short untill we dont have strong economy we can not have strong air force . modern jets are not like in 1960-70s cheap .

Hi,

Budget and navy---they ordered 8 subs for how much---was it 5 or 8 billion dollars---they have ordered 4 type 054's and multiple other vessels---.

You keep talking about lack of funds yet you have no clue that the navy has about close to 10 billion dollars worth of equipment in the pipeline right now---.

Paf donated 5 billion dollars to earthquake relief funds in 2005---the money that was plundered---.

navy did not ordered in a year this plan is for 6 to 8 years sir they will collect it money and who knows they have soft loans of 15 years .

 

[MastanKhan]

damn your hate for Paf is strong

Hi,

I love the air force. That is why I keep fighting for them to have more aircraft---aircraft they may procure in a timely manner to fight the enemy---.

I have put my life at stake---. I have no clue how the response going to be when I go to pakistan---.

There is no one in pakistan who cares more for Paf than me---. I want our pilots to have the right numbers to smash the enemy with out any fear---. That is why I come here every day to fight for them---.

I only have issues with its commanders---.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Guys he has a point don’t take it personally if you have soft corner for PAF.
I always felt that PAF needed more planes than they have and Feb 26 proved what he is right

 

[MastanKhan]

our economy is 100 to 150bn short untill we dont have strong economy we can not have strong air force . modern jets are not like in 1960-70s cheap .


navy did not ordered in a year this plan is for 6 to 8 years sir they will collect it money and who knows they have soft loans of 15 years .

IK,

You have also become full of excuses---. Everyone has an excuse for incompetence---now you have joined the band wagon---.

 

[New World]

Hi,

The indian take over of kashmir has finally let the cat out of the bag---.

And the cat says that the Paf has been caught with its pants down and may end up letting the nation and people of kashmir down---.

The Paf is woefully short of frontline fighter aircraft by a number of 100-150 aircraft---. The reason being that the Paf did not believe that there would be a war with india---.

Paf intentionally kept the numbers down over the last 3 1/2 decades for the reason that with a full inventory---pak army would have waged a war and the Paf---self serving organization that it is---does not want to fight a war---.

Every opportunity that the Paf had of getting the aircraft was short listed and an excuse found not to get the aircraft in a timely manner---. Every opportunity was availed to stretch the purchase option till the line stretched so thin that it broke---.

Never ever was there any URGENCY shown on the behalf of the Paf to get the aircraft on urgent basis---.

If PAF would have gone for 40 Mirage 2000-5 in 90s, there would have been 100+ Mirage 2000 in PAF inventory instead of vintage mirage 3 and 5.

 

[Imran Khan]

IK,

You have also become full of excuses---. Everyone has an excuse for incompetence---now you have joined the band wagon---.

Sir ap USA main beth ker ye bol sakty hain . you are far away from reality of a poor country for god sake ajj eid ke din lakhoon kog gosht dhundh rahy thy bell baja ker mang rahy thy . ap ager USA main koi bhi car le sakty ho iska matlab ye nhi pakistan main her koi le sakta hai .

 

[MastanKhan]

It's short because of economy not because PAF didn't want new fighters. The whole reason behind JF-17 Thunder is self reliability and affordability.

Hi,

It is not because of economy---what d you not understand about that---. They had the funds---in mid 90's to buy 36-40 mirage 2 k's---. They had 5 billion dollars to buy F16's after 9/11---.

I do not know where you keep coming about no funds---.

Stop being brain washed---.

If they were short of funds---did they ever change their life styles to reflect the shortage of funds---.

All luxury cars were there---all luxury living life style of the seniors was there---a useless change of uniform for the air force was implemented and so many other things---.

If you have shortage of funds---no one lets to test their Grippen or Rafale for two years---.

 

[Imran Khan]

If PAF would have gone for 40 Mirage 2000-5 in 90s, there would have been 100+ Mirage 2000 in PAF inventory instead of vintage mirage 3 and 5.

500millions$ were that time in our pocket only

 

[MastanKhan]

It is a numbers game as well especially with the new electronic warfare tactics. Quality alone cannot make up for numbers and then there is the question of planes quality as well

Hi,

Pilot training aside---fighter aircraft will also be shot down and that is the reality regardless of the training---.

500millions$ were that time in our pocket only

Hi,

The deal was ready to be signed---that is why the french were talking to us---. If we did not have the funds---the french would not be talking to us---. That was the down payment or whatever---.

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

Why would an air force DELIBERATELY keep its numbers low to 'avoid' war with an enemy which it has spanked historically, whether it was 65 or 71? In 99 PAF never jumped in. Like why? If anything, the enemy fears your PAF and SSG more than anything else. Could it be that the PAF has been over-confident in its thought process rather than 'weak' as you put it?

 

[Humble Analyst]

It is slightly complicated, as PAF should have fought for more planes but Army always took the lions share and PAF managed until Low number of planes became their comfort zone.
I will give you one example the number of men depoyloyed for CPEC/Gawadar could have been reduced and complemented by planes.