Modi's Silicon Valley Visit Stirs Controversy

[Viper0011.]

India pips US, China as No. 1 foreign direct investment destination - The Times of India

And your point is? The quality of life in India is still below dozens of countries, as small as Sweden!!! But you'll try to show "Largest FDI recipient drama". When you change the living conditions of the 600 MILLION people who don't have beds or bathrooms, you can message me and we can debate!!! This isn't an India hating post, I just don't like boasting and bullshiit. 600 MILLION people can't wash up properly and here is a PM boasting the 21st century belongs to India!!!

And another follower of his is showing me how India get the most FDI. Well if you took 20 million Iranians or Pakistanis and put them to work on higher paying jobs like the Indians do inside the US and the UK, TRUST ME, they will be listed RIGHT next to you in terms of FDI.

Everyone knows ALL Indians invest back in India as they want her to be a soup-o-powa one day. This isn't a joke. My employees do the same, all Indian 401K's are invested into Indian markets and they send majority of the money they make, back to India if they are on H1 visa. 10 million people sending 10-20K a year back to India is what? Over 200 BILLION a year???? Yup, I agree that India is the recipient of the largest FDI!!

 

[dray]

Mathematics: Like the claim to longstanding medical knowledge, this is based on real achievements in ancient times, even if many recent advances have been made beyond India’s frontiers. In particular India is credited with the system that became known as the “Arabic” numerals 0-9. Albert Einstein is quoted as saying: “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.”

It is also known as 'Arabic' numerals because it went to Europe through Arabia, otherwise ancient Indian mathematics is credited with many other important contributions to the world of mathematics. And Indian Ayurveda is a well accepted and well respected branch of traditional medicine all over the world.

Be proud of the achievements of people who were your forefathers too, you don't have to discard all your history just because some Ghaznavi or Ghori or Babur converted your forefathers to their religion at some point in time...unless of course you are one of those who claim to be the direct descendants of these barbaric illiterate invaders who stole the wealth and destroyed much of the knowledge by burning down libraries.

 

[Spectre]

And another follower of his is showing me how India get the most FDI. Well if you took 20 million Iranians or Pakistanis and put them to work on higher paying jobs like the Indians do inside the US and the UK, TRUST ME, they will be listed RIGHT next to you in terms of FDI.

Everyone knows ALL Indians invest back in India as they want her to be a soup-o-powa one day. This isn't a joke. My employees do the same, all Indian 401K's are invested into Indian markets and they send majority of the money they make, back to India if they are on H1 visa. 10 million people sending 10-20K a year back to India is what? Over 200 BILLION a year???? Yup, I agree that India is the recipient of the largest FDI!!

Sir you need to learn the definition of FDI and how it differs from passive investments.

Foreign direct investment is distinguished from portfolio foreign investment, a passive investment in the securities of another country such as public stocks and bonds, by the element of "control".

Specific to India FDI is clearly distinct from FIIs and Foreign Portfolio investments. FDI represents a lasting investment while FIIs and Portfolio investments are transient and hence are not listed as such.

Kindly see the below representation for further clarification

 

[Viper0011.]

Pakistan’s new Eurobond earns lukewarm response

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s third attempt in the last year and a half to raise debt by floating a dollar-denominated Eurobond has received a lukewarm response from international investors, restricting its option to borrow only $500 million at a very high interest rate of 8.25%.

In an article published in the London-based Financial Times on Sunday, economist and former finance minister Hafiz Pasha expressed similar views, saying, “In our close to 70 years’ history, we’ve never had a government that fudged statistics to the extent of this one.” He said the actual 2015 budget deficit including circular debt was closer to 8.5% of GDP, not the 5.3% the government claimed.

WOW, you are SO smart!!!! Have you ever done business that was actually profitable? Let alone running a country? Return on investments in Pakistan's been 30+ % on average. Giving back 8.5% isn't bad at all. You get a billion or two by giving paper as the world now have confidence in Pakistan. You then make 20-30% or more from it and return 8.5 or 8.7% from it. How is that a bad deal? I'd love to do this ALL day long.

Would you like to buy my bonds? I'd LOVE to get your money this was. I'll personally give you 9% back, no joke. Pretty clear as to how much real background you have by posting utter crap without having basic knowledge of the system!!!

Also, this is the third time Pakistan is selling bonds, what you call "lukewarm" is actually HOT in the market. They did a road show a week ago and they have BOOKINGS for a BILLION already. I was PERSONALLY in a couple of meetings with other business people in Atlanta and Dallas. And they should have the money in Pakistan's account by this weekend!!!!

Do me a favor, read this book and let your friends read it too. I'd suggest the entire PDF who wants to comment on investments, and all and criticize Pakistan or her Government, should read this book so they can understand the BASICS: Stock Investing For Dummies Cheat Sheet - For Dummies

 

[Spectre]

WOW, you are SO smart!!!! Have you ever done business that was actually profitable? Let alone running a country? Return on investments in Pakistan's been 30+ % on average. Giving back 8.5% isn't bad at all. You get a billion or two by giving paper as the world now have confidence in Pakistan. You then make 20-30% or more from it and return 8.5 or 8.7% from it. How is that a bad deal? I'd love to do this ALL day long.

Would you like to buy my bonds? I'd LOVE to get your money this was. I'll personally give you 9% back, no joke. Pretty clear as to how much real background you have by posting utter crap without having basic knowledge of the system!!!

Also, this is the third time Pakistan is selling bonds, what you call "lukewarm" is actually HOT in the market. They did a road show a week ago and they have BOOKINGS for a BILLION already. I was PERSONALLY in a couple of meetings with other business people in Atlanta and Dallas. And they should have the money in Pakistan's account by this weekend!!!!

Do me a favor, read this book and let your friends read it too. I'd suggest the entire PDF who wants to comment on investments, and all and criticize Pakistan or her Government, should read this book so they can understand the BASICS: Stock Investing For Dummies Cheat Sheet - For Dummies

Please clarify what is the correlation of govt issued bonds and stock markets returns.

Govt depends on revenues - these are mostly derived from real economy. As per your statement avg RoI of Pakistan is 30% - Have a source for that? RoI of what? Individual projects? Investment in Stock Markets?

Reading books meant for dummies that to meant for Stock Market instead of standard financial curriculum is going to leave a massive gaps which is quite evident.

Regards

 

[Viper0011.]

Sir you need to learn the definition of FDI and how it differs from passive investments.

Foreign direct investment is distinguished from portfolio foreign investment, a passive investment in the securities of another country such as public stocks and bonds, by the element of "control".

Specific to India FDI is clearly distinct from FIIs and Foreign Portfolio investments. FDI represents a lasting investment while FIIs and Portfolio investments are transient and hence are not listed as such.

Kindly see the below representation for further clarification

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using WIKIPEDIA and INVESTOPEDIA much? Son, the shiit you are writing today on here, I used to do back in 1999!!!! So PLEASE, keep these chart saved for your reference.

Indians to lie about their taxes to get benefits in the US, have made companies. Its hilarious. Some, who are not legal yet in the US (on Visa), they have American born children and the companies are under their name. There is SO much "business investment" (really called Money Laundering) that happens through your countrymen, its not even funny. But since, these little 20, 30 or 40 K per year monies (called Investments in India) go through US businesses, they show up as FDI's.

If you go more deep into, it'll make your countrymen look bad as this is clear fraud. I highly suggest you read the above para and change course

 

[Spectre]

using WIKIPEDIA and INVESTOPEDIA much? Son, the shiit you are writing today on here, I used to do back in 1999!!!! So PLEASE, keep these chart saved for your reference.

Indians to lie about their taxes to get benefits in the US, have made companies. Its hilarious. Some, who are not legal yet in the US (on Visa), they have American born children and the companies are under their name. There is SO much "business investment" (really called Money Laundering) that happens through your countrymen, its not even funny. But since, these little 20, 30 or 40 K per year monies (called Investments in India) go through US businesses, they show up as FDI's.

If you go more deep into, it'll make your countrymen look bad as this is clear fraud. I highly suggest you read the above para and change course

You are not making any sense - using standards definitions from Wiki is sacrilege now is it?

Do you have any real source - not personal anecdotal bullshit you make up on the spot to highlight how much of FDI in India is actually money laundering by American Indians?

My sincere advice is to not loose yourself in your anti-India hate so much that only one you would be fooling through your posts is yourself.

Regards

 

[dray]

Yea, the 21st century does belong to India, I agree. But inside India and US only. The world isn't all moving towards India, nor does India has jobs that pay well by global standards. So the Century moves and so do people, where the best civilizations are, and that's certainly not India. Its still the US, the UK, France and all.

This is funny, the guy "Cries" telling his "hardship" stories to impress Americans and to make them feel responsible to help them. He asks for startup money for Indian businesses BUT....claims the Century belongs to India????

So where you need to COLLECT money, you show alligator tears, and where you need to boast and bullshiit, you say, the Century belongs to India?

Let's correct this. Modi on the stage now, "I wanted to announce, the 21st Century belongs to India. I just got plenty of money assured to me, so the startup businesses can run and with this foreign money, I am claiming that the 21st century belongs to India and I can think like that as no India will act sane and call me out on it"!!

Sad that for the rest of your life you have no other choice but to keep burning while we continue to march ahead, it's just that your pain will only going to increase.

Btw, Indians value the family and respect their mothers, 'the guy' cried when asked a specific question about his mother and the hardship she had to face raising her family...and he came out triumphant from the hardship...and that's the dream of every parent in India, to do all they could to give the best to their children and to see them triumph in life...this collective mentality will drive India forward. Don't worry, we are not there among the very best of the countries yet, but we will be..

 

[Viper0011.]

Please clarify what is the correlation of govt issued bonds and stock markets returns.

Govt depends on revenues - these are mostly derived from real economy. As per your statement avg RoI of Pakistan is 30% - Have a source for that? RoI of what? Individual projects? Investment in Stock Markets?

You answered a BIG part of your OWN question. The government depends on TAXES (you missed this) AND Revenues!!! In Pakistan's case, the Tax break is broken. You can never even GUESS actual revenues, let alone determine a real GDP.

Pakistan at this moment, has a shadow economy that is worth over $ 200 billion. Which is why, the government is trying to bring as many businesses and people as it can, under the tax bracket, and the Taxes are being paid at about 1-2% out of the entire Business and Individual population.

This is why there is a saying that in India, the government is rich. In Pakistan, the people are MUCH richer than the government.

Now its obvious that we can't calculate a real GDP (or even close to it) due to missing Revenue, Taxes and all. But a simple way to calculate Return on Investments is much easier. For example, Pakistan's Cement Industry for the past two years, has been returning 30+%, the electric companies are raking profits in Punjab and they lose money in KPK due to line losses. Which is why they won't want to work in the KPK.

So you can easily measure ROI based on which projects or industries, the money will be invested. If I took a billion from you and I know which Industry I am going to put it in, I can assure you of a % profit as I know I'll make 3 times of that and will return 1 portion of the 3 times profit, back to you

 

[SamantK]

Viper again got his brain Wiped?

 

[Blue Sword]

And your point is? The quality of life in India is still below dozens of countries, as small as Sweden!!! But you'll try to show "Largest FDI recipient drama". When you change the living conditions of the 600 MILLION people who don't have beds or bathrooms, you can message me and we can debate!!! This isn't an India hating post, I just don't like boasting and bullshiit. 600 MILLION people can't wash up properly and here is a PM boasting the 21st century belongs to India!!!

And another follower of his is showing me how India get the most FDI. Well if you took 20 million Iranians or Pakistanis and put them to work on higher paying jobs like the Indians do inside the US and the UK, TRUST ME, they will be listed RIGHT next to you in terms of FDI.

Everyone knows ALL Indians invest back in India as they want her to be a soup-o-powa one day. This isn't a joke. My employees do the same, all Indian 401K's are invested into Indian markets and they send majority of the money they make, back to India if they are on H1 visa. 10 million people sending 10-20K a year back to India is what? Over 200 BILLION a year???? Yup, I agree that India is the recipient of the largest FDI!!

I did not mean the remittance India gets out of millions higher paying jobs like the Indians do inside the US and the UK.
Neither the news link I put in reply says that. The report says about the "greenfield investment" in India for H1 2015.
You do understand what greenfield investment is ?

 

[Viper0011.]

Btw, Indians value the family and respect their mothers, 'the guy' cried when asked a specific question about his mother and the hardship she had to face raising her family.

What about the woman who he married and left alone, poor older lady, alone in the old age, waiting for Modi. If he didn't like women, its fine. At the LEAST he could've been in touch with her!!! So you remember your mother but forget about someone's daughter and leave her alone, never care to ask where she is, alive or dead, healthy or sick???? And you think that's normal???

I know bullshiit and drama when the other party THINKS of it. This was pure drama to warm up "American Hearts". So you guys can remember one mother and totally abuse another one who waited for you all her life???? And THAT's humanity? I think he should've cried for the one he abandon without a reason. In any culture, your woman, is your responsibility if you consider yourself a man. You don't abandon them for life and disappear!!!

Everyone values their family. You are sadly mistaken to think otherwise.

You do understand what greenfield investment is ?

The money laundry the Indian community does from the West? Every Joe, Bloe, Ram and Chandar having a company to save on taxes (stealing0 and sending the money to India as investment? Sounds VERY green to me ". That's how the money is sent, looking for new facilities, but India lists this money as FDI sent by Indians through their little companies and they buy their personal properties back in India, while claiming tax exemptions in the US!!!

Viper again got his brain Wiped?

Did I? Or the 1.2 billion of you have NO idea on how to handle me? Can't do it with bullshiit that you traditionally do on EVERY topic. You don't have the knowledge or facts to prove anything and you guys are frantically responding to posts now knowing how to tackle the Viper!!!! wins as always!!!!

 

[Mythal]

What about the woman who he married and left alone, poor older lady, alone in the old age, waiting for Modi. If he didn't like women, its fine. At the LEAST he could've been in touch with her!!! So you remember your mother but forget about someone's daughter and leave her alone, never care to ask where she is, alive or dead, healthy or sick???? And you think that's normal???

I know bullshiit and drama when the other party THINKS of it. This was pure drama to warm up "American Hearts". So you guys can remember one mother and totally abuse another one who waited for you all her life???? And THAT's humanity? I think he should've cried for the one he abandon without a reason. In any culture, your woman, is your responsibility if you consider yourself a man. You don't abandon them for life and disappear!!!

Everyone values their family. You are sadly mistaken to think otherwise.

Would it be racist if I remind you that you were playing an African American and the track record of AA in such cases is not the best in the world.

 

[Viper0011.]

You are not making any sense - using standards definitions from Wiki is sacrilege now is it?

Do you have any real source - not personal anecdotal bullshit you make up on the spot to highlight how much of FDI in India is actually money laundering by American Indians?

My sincere advice is to not loose yourself in your anti-India hate so much that only one you would be fooling through your posts is yourself.

I am not making any sense? You have no background in the industry or the economy. Fools think a 30% return from a Marker means the GDP grows of a nation too. WTF???? Really? Time to go do Bachelors in Accounting. Not everything is a Java or C++ code that it teaches you the economy and business too.

Like I said, bring someone who has experience in this industry and then we talk. Till then, you can write anything you want to. Doesn't make a difference.
If Java or C++ programmers or Engineers knew the Economy and the Market, you wouldn't need Economists, you'd be hiring Computer Programmer or Engineers to work as the Economists. This is how you are too. Don't fit into an industry, don't understand it and still putting your nose into it. Don't suggest anyone to invest into anything, you'll end up effing someone's life savings!!!!

There is no anti-India hate. What's truth is written on here. You guys have bad business ethics, and bad human rights record, somehow mixed with blind patriotism. Outside of that, I don't have issues with India, in fact I have a lot of friends who are Indian and who despise their parents because they don't like how they treat others or do business.

 

[Spectre]

You answered a BIG part of your OWN question. The government depends on TAXES (you missed this) AND Revenues!!! In Pakistan's case, the Tax break is broken. You can never even GUESS actual revenues, let alone determine a real GDP.

Pakistan at this moment, has a shadow economy that is worth over $ 200 billion. Which is why, the government is trying to bring as many businesses and people as it can, under the tax bracket, and the Taxes are being paid at about 1-2% out of the entire Business and Individual population.

This is why there is a saying that in India, the government is rich. In Pakistan, the people are MUCH richer than the government.

Now its obvious that we can't calculate a real GDP (or even close to it) due to missing Revenue, Taxes and all. But a simple way to calculate Return on Investments is much easier. For example, Pakistan's Cement Industry for the past two years, has been returning 30+%, the electric companies are raking profits in Punjab and they lose money in KPK due to line losses. Which is why they won't want to work in the KPK.

So you can easily measure ROI based on which projects or industries, the money will be invested. If I took a billion from you and I know which Industry I am going to put it in, I can assure you of a % profit as I know I'll make 3 times of that and will return 1 portion of the 3 times profit, back to you

Better reply - I have noticed when you put your mind to it you can come up with decent answers

An investor has the luxury of choosing sector - govt which issued the bonds do not - it relies on the aggregate - so even if one sector that is cement is doing well it hardly makes a difference in aggregate revenue collections which is the only source for Govt to pay back the money it borrowed.

Govt also cannot increase it revenues by over-taxing as it would deter growth - so even if cement industries - not the Pakistan or it's whole economy- has 30% ROI I advice not to become over-confident as for every cement industry there would be another loss making industry which would drag the growth down.

I challenge your posts because you have habit of making blanket statements like Avg Pakistani ROI is 30% which is not only false but absurd to an extreme

As per you other argument - the shadow economy indeed represents a huge untapped tax base but remains to be seen if the ruling powers who are themselves the part of it concede to large scale economic reforms rather than vanity projects to propel Pakistan.

Regards