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Modi’s Israel visit Perils of walking into a minefield

You have the answer in your own post. Until USA is present in middle-east its machinations will never allow any arab country to harm israel. Its only arab disunity that has been the saving grace for israel. Remove USA from scene things change dramatically. I dont think USA is going to be a eternal super power

You're speaking as if Israel's is isolated in the region, when in fact, it is allied with the most powerful country in the region, Saudi Arabia. On top of that, most of the rich gulf states and countries like Egypt are more interested in tackling Iran than Israel. Israel's position in the region is in no way precarious, something Indians don't understand.
India certainly does not have much political influence (nor it wishes to) but bonding comes from being victims of same kind of terrorism.

Strange how India has failed to bond with the Arab states. After several decades of pursuing an aggressive foreign policy (similar to how the Arab states treated Israel in its early days) and it's extremely close cooperation with the Soviet Union (to such a point that KGB agents were using India as a transit for weaponry and material to be used in Bangladesh, Afghanistan), you'd think India would bond more with a country like Egypt or Iraq than Israel.

Its a catch 22 for india it wants the region to be stable (most of its citizens are employed there) but minus the state funded terrorism emanating from the region. The one country it can trust to co-operate against these kind of state funded terrorism is obviously israel.

Obviously Israel? Israel is cooperating with Syrian rebels right now in the Golan Heights.
 
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Strange how India has failed to bond with the Arab states. After several decades of pursuing an aggressive foreign policy (similar to how the Arab states treated Israel in its early days) and it's extremely close cooperation with the Soviet Union (to such a point that KGB agents were using India as a transit for weaponry and material to be used in Bangladesh, Afghanistan), you'd think India would bond more with a country like Egypt or Iraq than Israel.
How can KGB use India as transit point to Afghanistan, when India has no access to Afghanistan?
Also why would KGB require a transit point to Afghanistan, when it had a large border with Afghanistan.

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Absolute BS article. India needs to stop pussyfooting and absolutely ensure it can do everything to consolidate Israel as a friend and an ally.
Now that Congressi are demolished, GoI needs to show decisiveness in building close co-operation with Israel.
 
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How can KGB use India as transit point to Afghanistan, when India has no access to Afghanistan?
Also why would KGB require a transit point to Afghanistan, when it has a large border with Afghanistan.

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Perhaps transit is the wrong word to use. India became a base for KGB operations and socialist and communist intellectuals from across the subcontinent came in and out of India with the backing of KGB operatives.
 
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Perhaps transit is the wrong word to use. India became a base for KGB operations and socialist and communist intellectuals from across the subcontinent came in and out of India with the backing of KGB operatives.
Source?
 
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In the political realm of the world in my opinion the 'grand alliance' sensationalized between Israel and India doesn't exist. They don't have much in common in culture or geopolitical interests and it's not living up to the hype. It's only Israel gaining from this relationship with all the weapons sales it gets when India should be looking towards other customers. They have better options with US/EU/Russia. Off the top of my head, some of the sales including Israeli carbine rifles. Not sure what the carbine rifles are intended for in the army, or it appears more internal security related. In the end no matter how some Indians view the relationship with Israel, it's definitely isn't noticable or influential on Indian military.

First time I have seen sensible reply from you, are getting married :lol:
 
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Absolute BS article. India needs to stop pussyfooting and absolutely ensure it can do everything to consolidate Israel as a friend and an ally.
Now that Congressi are demolished, GoI needs to show decisiveness in building close co-operation with Israel.
How is close cooperation going to change any relation with Israel,that India already has with Israel?
 
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Mitrokhin Archive II: The KGB and the world: Christopher Andrew, Vasili Mitrokhin: 9780713993592: Books - Amazon.ca
Second link has a section on India (just type India in the search bar). Provides a detailed look on the extent of KGB penetration in India. The next section reveals KGB ops in Pakistan & Bangladesh. I also had a PDF provided by the Wilson Archive with a little more in-depth notes on ops in Pakistan. Going to see if I can find them.
The Mitrokhin Archive II: The KGB in the World - Christopher Andrew - Google Books
 
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In the political realm of the world in my opinion the 'grand alliance' sensationalized between Israel and India doesn't exist. They don't have much in common in culture or geopolitical interests and it's not living up to the hype. It's only Israel gaining from this relationship with all the weapons sales it gets when India should be looking towards other customers. They have better options with US/EU/Russia. Off the top of my head, some of the sales including Israeli carbine rifles. Not sure what the carbine rifles are intended for in the army, or it appears more internal security related. In the end no matter how some Indians view the relationship with Israel, it's definitely isn't noticable or influential on Indian military.

I agree with you that there is no grand alliance in the sense that alliances usually work. This is more of a transactional relationship with attendant benefits. I disagree that India would necessarily get a better deal from other countries on all the weapon systems that are purchased/jointly developed with Israel but your comment otherwise is fair.
 
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This giy is a nutjob,he's visiting Israel only because thry are anti - muslim - you have any doubt about that ?


Going to Israel is not bad but getting sucked into the middle east controversies is. he prefers to be known as hawkish but he seems to be in hurry in some delicate matters
 
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Besides Oil and Terror these Islamic countries have no contribution to Mankind. So better to ignore these bunch of Arab countries and consolidate with Israel.
 
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This giy is a nutjob,he's visiting Israel only because thry are anti - muslim - you have any doubt about that ?
So India's ties with Israel is solely based on the fact that they are an anti-Muslim country according to you? There's no other bilateral dealings with Israel based on anything other than their so called hatred towards Muslims?
 
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When the relation with a country with which we went to war 4 times is open and all sorts of aman ki tamashas are taking place, whats wrong in having a relationship with a country which helped us in those wars?
 
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Two right wing maniacs. How can that be peril for either of them?
One is that much maniac, who have no side, but still maniac since 14th Aug 1947. :rofl:

In the political realm of the world in my opinion the 'grand alliance' sensationalized between Israel and India doesn't exist. They don't have much in common in culture or geopolitical interests and it's not living up to the hype. It's only Israel gaining from this relationship with all the weapons sales it gets when India should be looking towards other customers. They have better options with US/EU/Russia. Off the top of my head, some of the sales including Israeli carbine rifles. Not sure what the carbine rifles are intended for in the army, or it appears more internal security related. In the end no matter how some Indians view the relationship with Israel,
Thats we call Realpolitik.

it's definitely isn't noticable or influential on Indian military.
Isnt noticeable? rofl, have u studied Indian forces,

Its endless list bro @500

How can KGB use India as transit point to Afghanistan, when India has no access to Afghanistan?
Also why would KGB require a transit point to Afghanistan, when it had a large border with Afghanistan.

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Actually it was India who funded some group in Afganistan during peak of war in 86 even after his alliance with USSR, after the war it took the shape of Northern Alliance.
 
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Mr Narendra Modi will be walking into a minefield when he visits Israel, the first Indian Prime Minister to do so. The coalition Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu heads is the most extreme right-wing government to take office in the nation’s history. Second, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has cultivated a symbiotic relationship with Israel because of its spiritual affinity for its leaders’ tooth-for-a-tooth approach to its adversaries.

Israelis like to present themselves as a beleaguered country and its reference point remains the Holocaust, despite the fact that it is today a colonial power ruling over millions of Palestinians it has disenfranchised, appropriating vast areas of the West Bank to build settlements, annexing East Jerusalem and showing no inclination to make peace on equitable terms. As a consequence, Israel is feeling increasingly isolated in the Western world, particularly in Europe, with the “boycott, divest and sanction” (BDS) movement gaining traction.Essentially, the BDS’s aim is to pull back Western investment from Israeli establishments working out of the occupied West Bank and ban goods manufactured there by Israeli entities.

Even some American universities have divested from Israeli West Bank establishments, although the American Jewish lobby remains strong and continues to frustrate all attempts at seeking a just peace. Although a minority, the J Street faction has broken away from the hardline majority.Mr Modi has to bear in mind that coupling his Israel visit with a trip to the Palestinian territories will not compensate for his befriending Mr Netanyahu because there is no equivalence between the two. India has a growing defence relationship with Israel because of the excellence and innovative qualities of its military products. But it is one thing to do business with Tel Aviv for realpolitik reasons and quite another to build a special relationship with a government even many of the Western nations have come to view as an embarrassment in the post-colonial era.

Mr Modi can hold his nose and do defence deals, the stance President Barack Obama has adopted in generously rearming Egypt despite President el-Sisi’s autocratic rule and suppression of dissent, or make a celebration of his Israeli path-breaking venture.India’s stakes in the Arab world are immense not only in the employment it provides to Indians but also as a source of energy supplies. True, some Arab countries do under-the-counter deals with Tel Aviv and there are affinities in the new and changing geopolitical picture in the Middle East with the emergence of the Islamic State. But they do not take away the bitterness of Israel ruling as an old colonial power in the 21st century.

There is some merit in the present stalemate between Israel and Palestinians. The pretence of holding peace talks with little or no real movement had falsely lulled the world for decades. Mr Netanyahu makes no pretence of making peace and said so during his last election campaign. However bad his relations with President Obama may be, he is immune from US sanctions or to cuts in the highest military and other assistance Washington gives any nation because of the American Jewish lobby and the support Israel enjoys in both Houses of the US Congress.I met Mr Netanyahu in Israel in 1990 when he was the junior Foreign Minister and he made his points forcefully.

In particular, he told me, “If you run across the breadth of Israel, you would cross it in a few hours” to stress the geographic limits of his country. Until recently, the conventional wisdom was that any peace deal would entail the retention of major Israeli settlements in exchange for territories in Israel proper and that Jerusalem would be the shared capital of two states, with the future West Bank demilitarised.Such a scenario has now receded into the never-never land, with Israel determined to keep all the land it occupied in the 1967 war and the annexed East Jerusalem, with the dreadful and untenable prospect of keeping Palestinians subjugated even though such an arrangement would see a subjugated Palestinian majority in a future Israel.

The tragedy is while the US will not permit anyone else, least of all the United Nations, to take a lead role in negotiating peace, it is handicapped domestically and has geopolitical interests to play the role of a peacekeeper. US Secretary of State John Kerry’s was the last serious attempt to revive a dead peace process and it ended up in the wilderness. If the Republicans win the US presidency in 2017, Mr Netanyahu will have even less to worry about.With the prospect of Mr Netanyahu receiving support from India in the shape of the first prime ministerial visit, Tel Aviv and its American friends are already in a celebratory mood, with a section of the US legislators already proposing a three-way defence arrangement among the US, Israel and India.India’s intrusion into the Middle East minefield can therefore have unpredictable consequences and Mr Modi will have to watch his steps before indulging in his penchant for showmanship.

Many mediators from many nations have met their Waterloo in trying to make peace between the colonial power and its Palestinian subjects. Mr Netanyahu has now pronounced that he does not want third parties to help make peace and has rudely dismissed the efforts of the French Foreign Minister, Mr Laurent Fabius, in seeking to initiate talks.Thus far, Indian policy towards Israel has been to underplay the relationship while seeking defence material and help in areas of agricultural cultivation.

Mr Modi’s visit will give it a new salience at a time the Western world is becoming increasingly concerned with the direction Mr Netanyahu and his supporters even more to the right are taking the country.Israel has launched a full-scale war on the BDS movement because it is beginning to hurt economically and is helping to build an unflattering picture of Israel in the West. Incidents of anti-Semitism are increasing. France’s desire to show it is doing something for Israeli-Palestinian rapprochement flows from the fact that it hosts the highest proportion of Jewish population in Europe.

Modi’s Israel visit Perils of walking into a minefield | idrw.org


Basically just to appease the muslims let the whole country suffer ?thats what communist like you thinks but what modi say to guys like you is

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