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You've summed up the Indian angst against such sickery which unfortunately Paajee @SIPRA does not get, probably out of a misplaced sense of old school loyalty to an old member versus a new entrant. I don't know.

Sir Jee: There is no such thing. To me, you or @-=virus=- are as respectable as @jamahir. I don't give a damn to tenure on PDF.

Second thing is that I don't agree with @jamahir on most of his flighty theories or ideologies, and I think, he knows this; though I deem him an ernest and honest poster. He also has the propensity of getting personal, which I don't like, as I told you.
 
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@jamahir

The starving virgin communist loser

who has never been more than a few miles from whatever dirty slum he was born in

we can reasonably hypothesize that a lethal combo of a lack of a healthy diet, disgusting living conditions, monetary starvation, and social isolation stemming from deep rooted feelings of inadequacy that have led to a psychosis where he is deluded and feels he can lead the world to a glorious communist golden (shower) age.

Munawar Ali is a malnourished, skinny, not very attractive at all male specimen from some slum in "the deccan".. he has no takers for his ideas, not on this forum, even among the Pakistanis, and for sure as hell not in the real world.

Munawar Ali also wants to abolish all money from earth and make colonies on Mars..

good luck with your job application at SpaceX, Munawar. :big_boss:
 
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Sir Jee: There is no such thing. To me, you or @-=virus=- are as respectable as @jamahir. I don't give a damn to tenure on PDF.

Second thing is that I don't agree with @jamahir on most of his flighty theories or ideologies, and I think, he knows this; though I deem him an ernest and honest poster. He also has the propensity of getting personal, which I don't like, as I told you.

Paajee ...

https://www.thenewsminute.com/artic...im-personal-law-not-excluded-pocso-act-170177

States are warring. All Hindu Chief Justices incidentally.
 
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Paajee, in India, even a 25 year old trying to get it on with a 15 year old would be snapping the somewhat elastic band of near same age consensual sex bounds of acceptability.

10th std girl (15-16) and +2 or early 1-2 years College (3rd year would be creepy) is the window we are playing with.

Giving you our cultural acceptability context.

The legal one is very clear.

As I told you that I, in general, agree with the provisions of your POSCO Law, or similar laws, in other countries.

My personal view is that a girl shall not be allowed to have sexual relations before an age of 18. May be, with more education and exposure, this limit can be reduced to 17 years.

But, the term pedophile has nothing to do with this law. It is a psychological concept and should be taken in that context. It has something to do with the elements or triggers of sexual arousal. Consequently, a male having sexual interest in 16 or 17 years old girl cannot be called pedo, in my opinion.
 
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As I told you that I, in general, agree with the provisions of your POSCO Law, or similar laws, in other countries.

My personal view is that a girl shall not be allowed to have sexual relations before an age of 18. May be, with more education and exposure, this limit can be reduced to 17 years.

But, the term pedophile has nothing to do with this law. It is a psychological concept and should be taken in that context. It has something to do with the elements or triggers of sexual arousal. Consequently, a male having sexual interest in 16 or 17 years old girl cannot be called pedo.

Personally I think most of the world agrees that pedo to a large extent relates to the age of the man, the age of the girl having been assumed to be under the age of legal maturity. Now that age of consent is very low in some European countries. Spain I hear is 15. But I was talking about India. We do not claim responsibility for the whole world nor are we global moral police either. In the Indian context what Jamahir continues to brazenly say about 15 year old girls is frankly sick and perverted. And he does so out of a feeling of security in the anonymity offered here, essentially a Pakistani forum. Not even playing the hindu muslim card here. I challenge you he would shit his pants saying the same thing on a platform under Indian jurisdiction. Like Twitter.
 
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Personally I think most of the world agrees that pedo to a large extent relates to the age of the man, the age of the girl having been assumed to be under the age of legal maturity. Now that age of consent is very low in some European countries. Spain I hear is 15. But I was talking about India. We do not claim responsibility for the whole world nor are we global moral police either. In the Indian context what Jamahir continues to brazenly say about 15 year old girls is frankly sick and perverted. And he does so out of a feeling of security in the anonymity offered here, essentially a Pakistani forum. Not even playing the hindu muslim card here. I challenge you he would shit his pants saying the same thing on a platform under Indian jurisdiction. Like Twitter.

Sir Jee: What I am trying to communicate is that the term and concept of pedophile arises from the psychology of sex, and, therefore is universal.

In contrast, age of consent is a legal concept, and has more to do with maintaining an order in the society. It can vary from country to country.

That is the difference, I am trying to communicate. In law, a difference of one day would count. A person having sex with a girl of 17 years and 360 days would be culpable, and another merely doing the same thing 7 days later wouldn't. That is not the case of psychology of sex.
 
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Sir Jee: What I am trying to communicate is that the term and concept of pedophile arises from the psychology of sex, and, therefore is universal.

In contrast, age of consent is a legal concept, and has more to do with maintaining an order in the society. It can vary from country to country.

That is the difference, I am trying to communicate. In law, a difference of one day would count. A person having sex with a girl of 17 years and 360 days would be culpable, and another merely doing the same thing 7 days later wouldn't. That is not the case of psychology of sex.

Sir jee age of consent is to protect young girls from guys like Jamahir. Primarily. 18 is where we draw the line.

Young girls are impressionable. There is a definite attraction of an older man. Some call it the Electra complex. Daddy issues. Whatever you want to call it.

But an older man taking advantage of that is no different than someone in authority or power or social standing exerting that to force sex on to a woman.

The pervert keeps finding refuge in the Punjab High Court ruling. That was about a husband and his wife. Under Muslim personal law (Sharia).

Not an unconnected Abdul lusting after 15 year olds who happen to smile at him.
 
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Sir jee age of consent is to protect young girls from guys like Jamahir. Primarily.

Young girls are impressionable. There is a definite attraction of an older man. Some call it the Electra complex. Daddy issues. Whatever you want to call it.

But an older man taking advantage of that is no different than someone in authority or power or social standing exerting that to force sex on to a woman.

Fully agree. I told you that I support the law.

My only contention is that can a person having sex with a girl of age 17 years 360 days be called a pedophile, while the other one doing it a week later be called normal. That is the issue.
 
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Fully agree. I told you that I support the law.

My only contention is that can a person having sex with a girl of age 17 years 360 days be called a pedophile, while the other one doing it a week later be called normal. That is the issue.

Of course I agree to that and that was never my contention.
 
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Not an unconnected Abdul lusting after 15 year olds who happen to smile at him.

That is not correct and is misperception, that he is struck with 15 years old girls. It is merely the lowest limit of his purported wide range of 15-50 years. On PDF, there are virtually hundreds of females, whom he has pronounced "lovely". Most of them are above 25 years age and are generally of stocky full-grown bodies. He is sort of all-rounder. 🤣🤣🤣

He is Professor Emeritus of "Poondhiology & Thirkology". 😛😛😛
 
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That is not correct and is misperception, that he is struck with 15 years old girls. It is merely the lowest limit of his purported wide range of 15-50 years. On PDF, there are virtually hundreds of females, whom he has pronounced "lovely". Most of them are above 25 years age and are generally of stocky full-grown bodies. He is sort of all-rounder. 🤣🤣🤣

Sirji you are mistaken or taken in by his fetish for the fatties. This 15 year old girls finding him attractive, smiling at him, etc is an enduring theme with him. I'm guessing there is some poor school girl he knows who has smiled at him. And now that is really making me uncomfortable because of recent events in India. He is a despicable specimen of an Indian male. Note how often and repeatedly he kept pulling Bhagwan Ram and Sita mayya into this sordid discussion. Did even one Hindu retaliate here with something similar? Do you think we kept quiet because of the fear of a ban?
 
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He is a despicable specimen of an Indian male. Note how often and repeatedly he kept pulling Bhagwan Ram and Sita mayya into this sordid discussion.

That is preposterous and despicable. Unfortunately, there are many posters, on PDF, more so Pakistanis, who don't regard the religious sensitivities of other faiths. I personally condemn it. During my initial days, I used to report such posts; but after a while, I raised my hands. My apologies.
 
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Munawar Ali also wants to abolish all money from earth and make colonies on Mars..

good luck with your job application at SpaceX, Munawar. :big_boss:

Munawar says Hi : :enjoy:
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Munawar Ali is a malnourished, skinny, not very attractive at all male specimen from some slum in "the deccan".. he has no takers for his ideas, not on this forum, even among the Pakistanis, and for sure as hell not in the real world.

About the underlined, though PDF and the internet have participants also from the "real world" and I have takers here too, Langda had told me the same thing yesterday and I replied as below from this post. He hasn't acknowledged this yet and you were in that thread too yet you too didn't acknowledge :
Offline, a few people do listen to me, one recent being my visit to the state committee office of one of the progressive groups in India and having a discussion for about 2.5 hours over two cups of tea. I had met the state secretary of the same group in 2016 multiple times and talked about various progressive movements in the world including the suppression of Iraqi Communists by the Baath movement despite both being progressives. That year after those discussions I was invited to join the group by meeting the group's district committee secretary at a protest gathering at the town hall organized to remember and protest the suicide of Dalit student Rohith Vemula.

Another which I have already told the idiot Virus is that in 2014 I worked in a ITES company for less than a year and I almost established a workers union there which would have been the first Indian IT / ITES industry workers union and my plan was to encourage the workers in the company's other branch in my city to establish a workers union there and encourage their known ones in the rest of this Indian industry to do that too. I naturally would have been the leader of this federation of Indian IT / ITES industry workers unions. This was four years before this one ( the All India IT & ITeS Employees Union ) was established. But I foolishly resigned instead of carrying ahead my original plan. However, AIITEU is very nicely an aware federation whom you will also insult :
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You and Virus would have insulted these people too when they were discussing over internet about establishing an all-India IT / ITES workers unions federation. You specifically would have asked them "Does anyone listen to you in the real world ?".

Paajee ...

https://www.thenewsminute.com/artic...im-personal-law-not-excluded-pocso-act-170177

States are warring. All Hindu Chief Justices incidentally.

From your source :
On Saturday, November 19, the Kerala High Court (HC) ruled that marriages involving minors under the Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act are not exempt from the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences (POCSO) Act. Justice Bechu Kurian Thomas was hearing the bail application of 31-year-old Khaledur Rahman, booked for sexual assault of his 15-year-old wife. In October this year, Justice Rajendra Badamikar of the Karnataka HC too had made similar observations on two occasions. He had stated that POCSO overrides personal law.
So Kerala High Court decided that the girl was sexually assaulted... assaulted as in being an unwilling victim even though in reality she was consensually with him. Who allowed this court to impose its fake-morality on the girl and imprison her man ? Did she demand that her man be imprisoned ? This is dictatorship.

However, what is the same Kerala High Court doing, not about consensual sexual relations between male and female but about humans - male and female - being killed by dogs at regular basis ? When is the Kerala High Court passing the order for citizens to eliminate the dogs terrorizing and killing them for years ? This court instead said :
Kerala High Court: While addressing the menace of dog bites in Kerala and the incidents of unauthorised killing of community dogs, the Division Bench of A.K. Jayasankaran Nambiar and Gopinath P, JJ., directed the State Police Chief to issue circular clarifying that—

While the State Administration is taking necessary steps to contain the incidents of dog bites, the citizenry shall also refrain from taking law into their own hands by inflicting unnecessary harm on community dogs.

Taking note of the instances of dog bites across the State, the Court had convened a special sitting to look into the matter. On enquiring with the State as to the steps being taken by the State Administration to address this pressing issue, Asok M. Cherian, Additional Advocate General informed the Court that the State Administration has already taken certain decisions, and a detailed report regarding it will be furnished before this Court by 16-09-2022.

Considering the above, the Court pointed out various earlier orders issued by the Court to monitor the implementation of the Animal Birth Control procedure throughout the State with a view to keep a check on the proliferation of community dogs, and for ensuring that they were duly vaccinated against infectious diseases.

Noticeably, the Court, on earlier occasions, had issued the following orders to address the animal menace in the State:

  • By an order dated 02-08-2021, the Court had-while adjudicating the issue of subjecting community dogs in the Thrikkakara Municipality to the Animal Birth Control procedure-directed the Municipality to identify areas within its geographical limits where the community dogs could be rehabilitated and sheltered.
  • On 29-10-2021, the Court directed the State Animal Welfare Board to assess the infrastructural facilities available within the territorial limits of all local authorities in the State for carrying out Animal Birth Control measures and to suggest measures for the augmentation of such facilities under each of those local authorities.
  • On 08-07-2022, the Court directed the State Animal Welfare Board to publish the list of Veterinary Hospitals having night emergency services available on its website and to collect the telephone numbers of each of these centres, and to ensure that the Hospitals were functioning round-the-clock.
Hence, the Court directed that in the report that is proposed to be filed on 16-09-2022, the State shall also mention the steps taken by it pursuant to the aforesaid earlier orders while narrating the steps currently proposed to be taken to tackle the menace of dog bites. The Court said,

“The State Administration must remind itself of the fact that in its role as a welfare State and as parens patriae of the citizenry it is obliged to protect the citizens from the attack of ferocious dogs by identifying and containing such dogs and removing them from public places.”

On being apprised of various instances of unauthorised killing of community dogs in the State, the Court-with a view to balancing the rights and interests of our citizens vis-a-vis those of animals-directed the State to cause suitable public instructions to be issued through the State Police Chief, clarifying that while the State Administration is taking necessary steps to contain the incidents of dog bites, the citizenry shall also refrain from taking law into their own hands by inflicting unnecessary harm on community dogs. Additionally, the Court also directed the State to file a copy of the Circular so issued with the report to be filed on 16-09-2022.

The matter is posted on 16-09-2022.

[In Re: Bruno (Suo Motu) Public Interest Litigation v. Union of India, 2022 SCC OnLine Ker 4619, decided on 14-09-2022]
Oh, the precious "community dogs" as described by this court despite the actual human community wanting to eliminate the dogs, LOL. So the court is essentially says that the dogs can continue to kill human citizens but the human citizens cannot kill the dogs, yet this court whose judgement you present proudly considers itself legitimate to prohibit consensual male-female relations. Tragi-comic.

Below is Sameer aka Tiger Sameer in Kerala who in September this year carried an air rifle just once to protect school students from the murderous dogs :
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However, he was arrested by police because "The FIR was registered under Section 153 (wantonly giving provocation with intent to cause riot)." :
KOCHI: A case has been registered against the man who was seen carrying an air gun while escorting children to a madrassa in Kerala's Kasargod, purportedly to protect them from stray dogs.

The case was registered against Sameer T alias Tiger Sameer by Bekkal police on Friday night, a day after the video was widely shared on social media.

Watch | Man carrying airgun escorts school children to protect them from stray dogs in #Kerala #KeralaStrayDogMenace https://t.co/F2QObkqX5P
— TOI Trivandrum (@TOI_Trivandrum) 1663326923000

Sameer who hails from Hadada Nagar at Bekal in Pallikere panchayat in the northernmost district of Kasaragod was seen in the video walking in the front with an air gun and around a dozen students, including his daughter Rifa Sulthana (9), following him on the way to the madrassa.

He was heard saying out loud in the video that he will shoot if any stray dog comes to attack.

The FIR was registered under Section 153 (wantonly giving provocation with intent to cause riot).

It states that the man created the video in which he calls for the culling of stray dogs and spread it through social media.

He spread the video in a way in which it could provoke rioting, the FIR says.

Police have started an investigation into the case.
Sameer had said that he ventured to accompany the children with the gun after his daughter told him that she was not going to the madrassa as she was afraid of the stray dogs on the way.

He said that the madrassa was 60 metres away from his house and there were lots of stray dogs in the area.
He added that he walked in front of the children to reassure them and give them confidence.
So Kerala High Court considers a man defending his daughter and her friends from murderous dogs who will tear them up as "intent to cause riot" and have him arrested but will prohibit via threat of jail consensual male-female sexual relations using the umbrella of modern fake-morality and have the female's man jailed even when she wants him with her ? LOL

Now since you keep crowing about "underage" and "adulthood" and you legitimized Kerala High Court's judgement, tell me all those cases in Kerala where this court has punished the parents of those females of age 18 and above ( "adult age" according to you ) who wanted to be or marry a man of their choice but were prevented by their parents from doing so and married off forcibly after being locked up in their room for days ?

Further from your source :
However, in the case heard by the Kerala HC, the police had stated that the “accused had abducted the minor victim, who is a native of West Bengal, and committed repeated penetrative sexual assaults.” The issue came to light when the girl went to a Family Health Centre to get an injection for the pregnancy. The age of the victim at the time of marriage was found to be 14 years and 4 months. The prosecution also argued that the girl was enticed by the accused and abducted without her parent’s knowledge. Citing a clause from the Prohibition of Child Marriage Act, Justice Bechu stated that where a child is taken or enticed out of the keeping of the lawful guardian, such marriage shall be null and void. Piecing the two facts together, the judge concluded that in this case, “the existence of a valid marriage, even according to Muslim Personal Law, is debatable.” Even otherwise, it is questionable whether the said personal law will prevail over the special statute relating to marriages after the coming into force of the Prohibition of Child Marriage Act, 2006, the judge stated.
So the girl was "enticed" by the man as if she didn't own her mind, eh ? So who enticed those 50+ year old sadhu-sant-santinis in the Haridwar Dharam Sansad last December to call for immediate genocide of two million Muslims and subsequent Dharam Sansads calling for similar genocides of Christians and Communists ? Who enticed the 50-year-old "adult" Obama into invading the Libyan Jamahiriya in 2011 with a 30+ government military alliance along with Al Qaeda and so-called Muslim Brotherhood and assassinating a great man and causing genocide and the destruction of a progressive and harmonious society ?

And the court said the girl was "enticed by the accused and abducted without her parent’s knowledge.". So Indian parents can honor kill their daughters directly or it can be indirect by forcing them to suicide because of stupid marks in stupid unnecessary exams and this happening with their parents' full knowledge but this is halaal because "great Indian family system" but if a girl goes with a man willingly then this becomes abduction. Insane !

That is preposterous and despicable. Unfortunately, there are many posters, on PDF, more so Pakistanis, who don't regard the religious sensitivities of other faiths. I personally condemn it. During my initial days, I used to report such posts; but after a while, I raised my hands. My apologies.

Sipra saheb, you have continually defended me on this thread and tried to talk sense to Langda but you shouldn't apologize. He talks rot about a living human being and threatens him and is callous and laughy about the artificial, socio-economics-imposed continuing suffering of that girl with the deformed face which may seriously harm her through may be the closed eye poisoning her face and he uses the words "sordid discussion" but when I show him the mirror about a man glorified in his own religious beliefs who when 15 married a girl of six, shouldn't I question his hypocrisy about calling me a "pedo" because 15-year-old girls like me on their own willingness but he refuses to call Ram a pedophile for marrying a girl of six who probably had no choice if these characters were historical people and not myths ? This is a simple point I make which he can't cover up by getting outraged and claiming "He pulled Bhagwan Ram and Sita mayya into this sordid discussion". His is a double face which he must answer.

Sirji you are mistaken or taken in by his fetish for the fatties.

"For the fatties". How insulting you are with people. Probably your wife is a gym-freak with stick-thin legs poking out of short skirts and she thinking she looks nice.

Note how often and repeatedly he kept pulling Bhagwan Ram and Sita mayya into this sordid discussion. Did even one Hindu retaliate here with something similar? Do you think we kept quiet because of the fear of a ban?

Oh, Hindutvadis have been talking such about Hazrat Muhammad and Hazrat Aisha for years on PDF and they don't get banned but I do for some reason. This was also during the Nupur Sharma episode where there was a big thread.

And now that is really making me uncomfortable because of recent events in India.

What recent events in India ? Like this soon-coming film The Conversion with its anti-Love-Jihad propaganda calling upon Hindus and Muslims to hate each other, for Hindu girls to hate Muslim men and for Virat Hindus Youth to shoot Muslims ?

The comments section as expected has "Jai Sanatan Dharm" and funnily in that same comment is "Jai Hind" which is a slogan from the Indian National Army, not the current one shouting "Ghar may ghus ke maarenge" to Pakistan but the one against the British colonial rule and established by Subhash Chandra Bose and others, and the slogan being a deliberately secular one thought up by a Muslim officer in the INA called Major Abid Hasan "Safrani", and these vile, anti-human anti-Muslim Hindutvadis in the comments section are using it against Muslims ? :rofl:

Young girls are impressionable. There is a definite attraction of an older man. Some call it the Electra complex. Daddy issues. Whatever you want to call it.

But an older man taking advantage of that is no different than someone in authority or power or social standing exerting that to force sex on to a woman.

Who are you to decide on behalf of the girl ? Is the girl your chattel ? I am sure you will also prevent your 18+ sister or daughter from going about or marrying a man of her choice, especially a Muslim, calling her "impressionable" who was "enticed" by the evil man. You right-wingers, Hindutvadis in specific, have been misogynist for the last 3000 years of your existence. For more, read my lengthy reply to your Kerala court article link.

Your second paragraph is irrational contradicting my above paragraph.

Not an unconnected Abdul lusting after 15 year olds who happen to smile at him.

Choubey ji, told you not to go to Poland but you didn't listen :
 
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Sipra saheb, you have continually defended me on this thread and tried to talk sense to Langda but you shouldn't apologize. He talks rot about a living human being and threatens him and is callous and laughy about the artificial, socio-economics-imposed continuing suffering of that girl with the deformed face which may seriously harm her through may be the closed eye poisoning her face and he uses the words "sordid discussion" but when I show him the mirror about a man glorified in his own religious beliefs who when 15 married a girl of six, shouldn't I question his hypocrisy about calling me a "pedo" because 15-year-old girls like me on their own willingness but he refuses to call Ram a pedophile for marrying a girl of six who probably had no choice if these characters were historical people and not myths ? This is a simple point I make which he can't cover up by getting outraged and claiming "He pulled Bhagwan Ram and Sita mayya into this sordid discussion". His is a double face which he must answer.

What I posted is my firm opinion, irrespective of what is being argued upon, and that is that established sacred personalities or entities of a religion shall not be brought in discussion at all. It should be avoided at all costs. However, if it becomes necessary to bring them in; then they need to be mentioned in a very respectful manner, such that the followers of that religion are not offended.

This is what I have been following on PDF, as well as on other social platforms.

I also think that, for the matter under discussion, you can argue and prove your point of view, equally effectively, without bringing Ram Chandar Jee or Seeta Jee into the discussion. It was unnecessary. I know that you possess all the qualities for carrying out an effective argument without bringing religion into it.

As for your fight against Hindutvad, my support is with you.
 
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What I posted is my firm opinion, irrespective of what is being argued upon, and that is that established sacred personalities or entities of a religion shall not be brought in discussion at all. It should be avoided at all costs. However, if it becomes necessary to bring them in; then they need to be mentioned in a very respectful manner, such that the followers of that religion are not offended.

This is what I have been following on PDF, as well as on other social platforms.

I also think that, for the matter under discussion, you can argue and prove your point of view, equally effectively, without bringing Ram Chandar Jee or Seeta Jee into the discussion. It was unnecessary. I know that you possess all the qualities for carrying out an effective argument without bringing religion into it.

As for your fight against Hindutvad, my support is with you.

You're wasting your time with filth Paajee. Keechad ke ccheente bekar mein aap pe udenge. Isko hum pe cchod do.
 
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