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Modi sends strong signal by fielding Doval instead of MEA to deal with Islamabad

And what have you exactly learned from this episode..... Hindus, Modi, Hero, Mob and Gujarat etc. all Indians and inside India, with culprits protected by the security forces..... how does that even remotely apply vis-a-vis Pakistan....going by your psyche, i could present the Taliban example...... besides as i said, unlike your so called Muslim hero, others Muslims, specially those living in Pakistan, can and are able to pay back in same coin.

The Moral of the story is that "bullets that kill" make matter worse. Especially with Modi around. :coffee:

As usual you fail to understand and draw simple lessons. Some things never change.
 
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Din't I just tell you ?

The meeting is for India to VERIFY your claims of "fighting terror". :disagree: ............ why do you thin the talks are with NSA and not with Foreign Ministry ? :cheesy:

How do you think US found Osama Bin Laden in pakistan ? "trust and Verify" :P

Lol- who in the blue moon of doom is India to verify our claims of " Fighting terror " ?-
please dont make me laugh so hard that i loose faith in you guys-

so should we send an ISI colonel to deal with your Doval?- can be done with pleasure really if we want nothing out of the meeting-
 
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i think instead of reading your post i should really wait for the outcomes which according to you wont be long- :lol:-
so thats the best answer you could come up with :haha:

no wonder why your security and defnce establishmnet are so confused and always give in so easily :sarcastic:

waise please tell me when are you sending proofs of RAWs involevment in TTP , Baloochistan and karachi to interpol , UNO and ICJ :azn:

what if i told you deu to this meeting your safeer in delhi has cancelled all iftar parties with kashmiri terrorists goups :haha:
 
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The Modi government unilaterally called off foreign secretary-level talks with Pakistan last August but has now decided to hold National Security Advisory-level talks, one-notch higher level, as NSA in Indian dispensation enjoys a minister of state rank.

Why? What has changed in India-Pakistan context in past ten and a half months? Is the Modi government’s Pakistan policy confused and confusing or is there a method behind the sudden uptick in its interest in mending ties with Pakistan even though the ground situation remains just the same? The 10 July summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif in Ufa, Russia has significant implications not only for the two neighbours but also for the two governments. Here we focus on implications for India only while the Pakistan part will be discussed separately.

When Modi had held his first summit meeting with Nawaz Sharif for the first time in New Delhi, soon after becoming prime minister on 26 May 2014, the two had decided that their foreign secretaries would be meeting soon for structured talks. The foreign secretary-level talks were scheduled for August 2014 in Islamabad but unilaterally canceled by India at the eleventh hour as the Modi government was livid over Pakistan’s engagement with Kashmiri separatists.

Ten and a half months later, the Modi government has not only decided to re-engage with Pakistan but decided to do that at a higher level of NSA. This is a clever ploy by PM Modi. By keeping the proposed talks with Pakistan, he has clearly taken India’s Pakistan policy away from the domain of the Ministry of External Affairs.

It means that under the Modi government India’s Pakistan policy will be decided, shaped and choreographed by PMO and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, not the MEA. In a way, PM Modi has decided to experiment a mechanism in engaging with Pakistan, that is in place for years between India and China on the vexed boundary dispute: the Special Representatives-level talks where the Indian NSA represents the Government of India and has full mandate from the Indian Prime Minister.

In a way, Doval will be a SR (Special Representative) with Pakistan too and PM Modi’s point person in dealing with Pakistan. This undoubtedly indicates the ever growing stature of Doval at a time when many ministers in the Modi government are losing sheen. Brajesh Mishra was the only NSA who enjoyed such a massive political clout and the confidence of the then PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee. But then Mishra also held the top job of Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister.

But unlike Mishra, Doval is fully involved in every major policies and decisions of the two premier civil intelligence agencies, Intelligence Bureau (IB) and Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) as well as Military Intelligence (MI). Thus Doval’s clout extends not only to PMO but also to crucial ministries like home and defence and now in a big way to the MEA as well.

It is this political and administrative heft of Doval that will make this novel experiment of holding NSA-level talks with Pakistan all the more interesting and a higher chance of success. This is the first time when India and Pakistan will be having formal talks at the NSA level.The real purpose behind having a new institutionalized mechanism of NSA-level talks with Pakistan is to sift everything from the security and intelligence perspective.The Modi government has conveyed lot of things with this move. First and foremost, it conveys that India’s engagement with Pakistan will be through the security and intelligence prism. After all, that has been the most important area and a tipping point for all governments in India all these decades.

It conveys that the usual diplomatic channel is not enough in dealing with a difficult neighbor like Pakistan. The UPA government too had tried its hand in trying to push a breakthrough with Pakistan in 2006 at the Havanna summit and set up Anti Terror Mechanism as a non-MEA body to deal with Pakistan.

The Manmohan Singh government had also held several ‘Intelligence Summits’ with Pakistan at that time. But these meetings between the intelligence agencies of the two countries were held covertly and were exploratory in nature. Nothing much came off these efforts and the Manmohan Singh government was forced to stop entertaining hopes of improving relations with Pakistan after the serial terror attacks on Mumbai in November 2008.

Now, the Modi government fielded the most hated man in Pakistan – Doval – for holding talks. The Modi government’s decision also conveys that Pakistan will first have to climb the Doval wall before Modi calibrates his Pakistan policy in view of his possible maiden visit to Pakistan next year for SAARC summit.

If even this route does not succeed with Pakistan, nothing else will.
Engaging with Pakistan: Modi sends strong signal by fielding Doval instead of MEA to deal with Islamabad | idrw.org

Darinda doval will ensure that the meeting goes productive :enjoy:
 
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So you will stick you neck out and still claim that "its O.K. for a BSF sniper to take out a poor ranger as a part oh his duty" my friend please stop defending a principally wrong act. If I cannot make you understand my point of view than the fault is entirely mine. :closed:

It is not my fault if you can't understand difference between a soldier and a civilian.
 
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Lol- who in the blue moon of doom is India to verify our claims of " Fighting terror " ?-
please dont make me laugh so hard that i loose faith in you guys-

so should we send an ISI colonel to deal with your Doval?- can be done with pleasure really if we want nothing out of the meeting-

We are the same people who NS is begging to talk to. :disagree:

Modi just gave NS an opportunity to reclaim his credibility. NSA will VERIFY. IF they do, there will be progress.

Its as simple as that.

Needless to say, NSA will find your claims hollow, so nothing will change.

Foreign Ministry will meanwhile deal with the rest of the world which is more fruitfull.

You are free to send ISI colonel or NS peon to deal with Doval. We just don't give a fcuk. :coffee:
 
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Agreed. It is not us Pakistanis who are taking these useless talks seriously. It is only bharatis and those dumb fans of Modi and Doval who are taking it seriously and are happy on sending some so called strong signals through it.

We have seen such dozens of such talks in the past and we know what they are worth of

These clowns need not be taken seriously... They are probably frustrated and just taking it out by talking crap on Internet forums...
 
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The Moral of the story is that "bullets that kill" make matter worse. Especially with Modi around. :coffee:

As usual you fail to understand and draw simple lessons. Some things never change.

Ya..... it's been over a year now...... hope ''achey din'' do come soon. :rolleyes:
 
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It is not my fault if you can't understand difference between a soldier and a civilian.
Yeah Its my fault if I fail to make you understand that 'using sniper to take out a border guarding soldier' is principally a wrong act. Maybe you will understand it when BSF will start retaliating in the same fashion.:closed:
 
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Infact the entire intelligence agencies in India is directly under the control of National Security Adviser Ajit Doval.
 
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@Windjammer

Pakistan is missing Man Mohan Singh AND
the calibrated response on the LOC
as compared to the free hand NOW given to the Indian forces

Similarly Pakistan is also missing the biryani diplomacy of Man mohan Singh
Now you have to deal with these rouges who threaten you daily

Jaane Kahan Gaye woh din
 
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Yeah Its my fault if I fail to make you understand that 'using sniper to take out a border guarding soldier' is principally a wrong act. Maybe you will understand it when BSF will start retaliating in the same fashion.:closed:

As said before. You guys already do that. Who knows this specific kill was retaliation for any aggression from your side.

Are salley wanna be jihadi idiot, BSF person died as martyr for a country, and you fool on a defense forum insulting a solider. Have some shame. He might be a Indian solider but have some respect to the defense people you shameless creature.:mad::mad:


do no worry, we don't expect much from retard like you. jihadi.:sick::sick:

Saying Jihadi and other such BS doesn't change anything. I know how much respect you guys give to our soldiers and officers on your own forums. I didn't even disrespect that guy. I just said if sending Doval is some kind of supposed strong signal then I think Pakistan also already has given a signal in its own way. We all can assume right?? Just like the OP.
 
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