''Modi Ji'' Rafale Will Not Save Your Soul

[Manidabest]

The next round will be the ultimate proof itself...

yesss indeed there will be next round very soon ....and may be it will start world war 3

 

[Areesh]

But they can overcome it anytime.

They can't do it in 70 plus years

Relying on enemy's incompetency is one way ticket to failure... Never underestimate the enemy rather focus on strengthening & improving yourself. IAF underestimated PAF and it ended up with a bloody nose but if we do the same, we will get the same results since laws of physics work both ways.. so let's not be cheap trolls and focus on developing ourselves.

It is a strong plus point. Not saying that we should rely on it only.

 

[Windjammer]

PL 15 is a shitty missile with no use against fighter jets.

Then maybe we should get the Spyder missile system.....oh wait they only shoot down helicopters.

 

[Slav Defence]

Then maybe we should get the Spyder missile system.....oh wait they only shoot down helicopters.

Windjammer,
I was planning for your induction but now realize that your hands shall be tied up.

Khula shikar kero Bhai!

 

[War Thunder]

PL 15 is a shitty missile with no use against fighter jets.

And did you just fart that out with absolutely no use of something called "brain"? Which ofcourse is a rare and endangered commodity on your side of the world.

 

[war&peace]

Is it PL21? As Pl15 is already integrated with JF17s and I think we already have 100 in our inventory bought immediately after 27th Feb.

It could only be PL21 as PL15 is also Mach4 at sometime and is not comparable to Meteor as it is based on rocket motor rather than Ram Jet engine of PL21 and Meteor

PL15 is definitely powered by a ramjet. No rocket motor can provide such a long range (200+ km) to any A2A of this size. Or it will be too big and too heavy that only a heavy fighter like SU35 may be able to carry one.

 

[The Accountant]

PL15 is definitely based on ramjet. No rocket motor can provide such a long range (200+ km) to any A2A of this size. Or it will be too big and too heavy that only a heavy fighter like SU35 may be able to carry one.

PL15 is somewhere aroumd 150 km range and is sure to be based on rocket motor.

The one you are talking abouy is PL21 and is highly classified with no information on max range and speed

 

[litman]

The next round will be the ultimate proof itself...

they dont need the next round. our politicians and our economy can easily make us lose any future rounds and the enemy can win those rounds without even firing a single bullet.

 

[war&peace]

PL15 is somewhere aroumd 150 km range and is sure to be based on rocket motor.

The one you are talking abouy is PL21 and is highly classified with no information on max range and speed

All these are traits of PL15 ...there's not much info available about PL15...there's not even a wikipedia page on it yet. P12 (SD10) has a range of up to 100 km but PL15 is much longer range and a lot more manoeuvrable due to the ramjet ...I guess there are two versions of PL15 as per the info available online...one state dual pulse rocket motor while others suggest ramjet...in any case, PL15 is the longest range BVR existing while PL21 is still underdevelopment.
Here is an excerpt

Even in the prototype stage, the PL-15 is already an international star. Speaking at the 2015 Air Force Association conference the same week as the test, USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.

Check the image available. It clearly has an air intake which means a ramjet or scramjet engine

 

[Mav3rick]

''If we had Rafales, results would have been different'', cried Indian PM Modi after humiliation
at the hands of Pakistan Air Force on the eventful day of 27th February.
Whatever may be other capabilities of the French aircraft, the Indian claim was directed towards the Meteor Missile that equips the Rafale. This is said to be directly in response to PAF's AMRAAM BVR capability due to which the IAF suffered the losses and had nothing to match the striking distance of the American weapon. Rafale jets are due to start arriving in India by years end and it will take sometime before they become fully operational. Well, PAF is not sitting idly by. Just yesterday, have learned from a well placed source that PAF is in process of inducting an extremely long range BVR system that travels at over Mach-6 compared to Mach-4 Meteor. Further the PAF will have these weapons in it's inventory and operational before the IAF, thus squarely checkmating the Indian acquirement.

If it was just that easy my friend, you make it as if an AESA radar and a MACH 6 VLRAAM will checkmate Rafale while completely ignoring the EW suite of Rafale which makes the Jet virtually stealth and extremely difficult to detect and target in the first place.

Pakistan's biggest weapon is incompetency of IAF

InshaAllah with this weapon we would always give them a bloody nose

That can eventually be overtaken with sheer numbers and technological superiority. Besides, in 20 years time, most of the systems may be autonomous and thus technology will trump all.

PL 15 is a shitty missile with no use against fighter jets.

And PAF must be a shitty AF; so when are we hosting you for tea next?

 

[New World]

PL 15 is a shitty missile with no use against fighter jets.

shitty as SD-10, which bring down your jets on 27-feb

 

[Myth_buster_1]

i think jf17 block 3 will carry pl10 and pl15 while older jf models will caryy pl8 and sd10 for another 10 years and then will go through an upgrade

 

[graphican]

Induction of Rafael would add a new color to the Indian spectrum of choices - and this addition comes with its own burden of operational and logistic mess. It's like a hand that has 9 fingers to it. Will such a hand be more capable than a hand with 5 fingers? You can argue - but more is not necessarily better.

Will Rafale communicate with other air assets India operates? Su-30s and Mig-21, both under service in India for decades could not talk to each other and Mig-21 ended up crossing into Pakistan airspace and suffered. Would 36 Rafael fly solo? act blinded with what other Indian assets are doing? Despite inducting 36 Rafael, I find India's gains will be a little because the logistic mess will be significant and the eventual benefit India receives may be minor as compared to the cost of managing yet another platform. If India inducts another 36 Rafael after the first order, that induction will benefit them much more than this initial set.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

''If we had Rafales, results would have been different'', cried Indian PM Modi after humiliation
at the hands of Pakistan Air Force on the eventful day of 27th February.
Whatever may be other capabilities of the French aircraft, the Indian claim was directed towards the Meteor Missile that equips the Rafale. This is said to be directly in response to PAF's AMRAAM BVR capability due to which the IAF suffered the losses and had nothing to match the striking distance of the American weapon. Rafale jets are due to start arriving in India by years end and it will take sometime before they become fully operational. Well, PAF is not sitting idly by. Just yesterday, have learned from a well placed source that PAF is in process of inducting an extremely long range BVR system that travels at over Mach-6 compared to Mach-4 Meteor. Further the PAF will have these weapons in it's inventory and operational before the IAF, thus squarely checkmating the Indian acquirement.

mach-6 ? which aystem is it?

 

[The Accountant]

If it was just that easy my friend, you make it as if an AESA radar and a MACH 6 VLRAAM will checkmate Rafale while completely ignoring the EW suite of Rafale which makes the Jet virtually stealth and extremely difficult to detect and target in the first place.



That can eventually be overtaken with sheer numbers and technological superiority. Besides, in 20 years time, most of the systems may be autonomous and thus technology will trump all.



And PAF must be a shitty AF; so when are we hosting you for tea next?

All the EW suites or jammers are effective against ttaditional but hardly have any impact on AESA radars ... AESA have too many frequencies to fool

All these are traits of PL15 ...there's not much info available about PL15...there's not even a wikipedia page on it yet. P12 (SD10) has a range of up to 100 km but PL15 is much longer range and a lot more manoeuvrable due to the ramjet ...I guess there are two versions of PL15 as per the info available online...one state dual pulse rocket motor while others suggest ramjet...in any case, PL15 is the longest range BVR existing while PL21 is still underdevelopment.
Here is an excerpt

Check the image available. It clearly has an air intake which means a ramjet or scramjet engine

It Could be a fan boy stuff as well ...

Lets agree on one thing its co.parable to rafael only it have ramjet engine