Modi govt moves with Arunachal Frontier Highway, among India’s ‘toughest’ projects yet, China in mind

[walterbibikow]

Your army cannot keep up with the Chinese. You cannot fight the Chinese with imported arms. There is a replenishment issue.

@Hellfire2006 @SSBN81
Except S-400, all are manufactured within India itself

DRDO hands over air defence missile (MRSAM) System to Indian Air Force in presence of Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh at Jaisalmer, Rajasthan

Key Highlights: MRSAM provides air defence against aerial threats like fighter aircraft, UAVs,

pib.gov.in

https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/font-size6-facesans-serif-stylecolor-rgb34-34-34-font-weight-400-white-space-normal-data-rich-text-format-boundarytruekalyani-group-to-set-up-worlds-largest-artillery-manufacturing-facility-in-indiafo/2718833/

India’s HAL formally receives contract for 83 Tejas LCA

The Indian Government has officially sealed the Rs480bn (nearly $6.57bn) deal to procure 83 Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) from state-owned aerospace major Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[SIPRA]

Your army cannot keep up with the Chinese. You cannot fight the Chinese with imported arms. There is a replenishment issue.

It is all public hue and cry and chest thumping. I don't think that Indian political and military decision makers ever had or have any intention, whatsoever, to enter into a war with China. Pandit Nehru had some early delusions, which were adequately addressed in 1962.

Indian elite very well knows, what really happened in 1962, and that that consequences would be far worst, if any such thing got repeated, in foreseeable future. Neither BJP, nor INC, are fools. They are quite pragmatic and sane people.

 

[walterbibikow]

It is all public hue and cry and chest thumping. I don't think that Indian political and military decision makers ever had or have any intention, whatsoever, to enter into a war with China. Pandit Nehru had some early delusions, which were adequately addressed in 1962.

Indian elite very well knows, what really happened in 1962, and that that consequences would be far worst, if any such thing got repeated, in foreseeable future. Neither BJP, nor INC, are fools. They are quite pragmatic and sane people.

The case is, at such high altitudes, you need a minimum speed to maintain enough lift to not stall. Maneuvers and other things require even higher relative speed to the wing.

So, the higher the altitude, thinner the air, greater the stall speed. Now, the problem does not end here. Due to the high variability of temperature throughout the day (freezing cold at night and ~20 deg. in day), combined with humidity conditions, the density of air keeps on changing dynamically, which cause erratic lift patterns, especially for aircraft with a low aerofoil (fighter jets).

To water down what I wrote above, a fighter jet will be able to take off with a long runway in morning and evening timeframes, at noon, it might overshoot the runaway with the same payload.

Ah, did I mention higher take-off and landing speeds (required for high-altitude runaways) cause more wear-and-tear of landing gear and frequent tire bursts ?

 

[Bilal9]

It is all public hue and cry and chest thumping. I don't think that Indian political and military decision makers ever had or have any intention, whatsoever, to enter into a war with China. Pandit Nehru had some early delusions, which were adequately addressed in 1962.

Indian elite very well knows, what really happened in 1962, and that that consequences would be far worst, if any such thing got repeated, in foreseeable future. Neither BJP, nor INC, are fools. They are quite pragmatic and sane people.

Yeah I also think that some of the hotblooded chest-thumper H1B visa immigrant Indians have scarce clue on what a real skirmish entails, both in blood and ammo. They will be the last ones to volunteer for an actual fighting front assignment.

These cowards would be the first ones to go into shell shock and will suffer PTSD when they see some actual bullets-to-the-head and disemboweling scenarios.

Arunachal will be a textbook Chinese invasion if it actually happens, and so will Doklam (Nathu La pass). Both scenarios are real. Hope these Sanghis don't manage to piss off the PLA and face the music....

You can see how close Bangladesh border (East Pakistan in this old map) is to Bhutan, Sikkim (Nathu La pass, Doklam) and the chicken's neck which is barely 20 -25 miles wide.

 

[Bilal9]

You tiny little smelly shitty little lungee, a malnourished protein starved Indian is still way taller and bigger in size than a healthy Lungee. You are pretty much the ugliest race of people in the subcontinent - short, skinny and your faces look like dog turd, isnt that what Bhutto said about you?. Now gtfo and catch some fish in the shitty smelly swampy cesspit than you call Bangladesh. It is literally 160 million flies stuck to a tiny piece of turd.



By 2070 Lungis would have long left the Earth. Too bad there's no smelly swamps on the moon, they would fit right in

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Your comebacks are so lame, Kumar. Same ol' tired name-calling routines, swamp, turd, lungi. Yawn.....

Ahammuk doesn't even know how to get inventive with the name-calling. Tera Paida bhi lame.

Next !!

 

[Hellfire2006]

Indians know that this region will go to the Chinese at some point economically and be independent politically. The people in this region do not like being under the yoke of Sanghi domination. Their independence movements will grow for sure.

Have you ever been to Arunachal pradesh , have you cared to listen about opinions other than your own ? I've been to arunachal pradesh and lived there quite some time. The people there are fiercely pro tibet and anti china

Your army cannot keep up with the Chinese. You cannot fight the Chinese with imported arms. There is a replenishment issue.

If the attrition losses are lower then keeping up with replacements won't be an issue. Himalayn terrain is a defender's paradise. Along a 4000km front there are only a dozen or so different ingress points which the enemy can use for a major offensive.

 

[Hellfire2006]

The Chinese military will be very happy to see this road built by India. Instead of IA troops, the Chinese PLA may use this road to make an inroad to the entire Assam.

Why dig a canal and invite the crocodiles? The new road will not solve India's bottleneck issue at the Siliguri corridor.

The chinese have a vulnerability vis a vis india in chumbi valley, it goes in like a dagger with PLA on the lower heights and IA occupying the higher ground, chumbi valley is also very narrow which gives very little depth to the chinese supply lines there. That also reflects in the posture of forces deployed there. The PLA forces in chumbi valley are vulnerable to choking of supply lines by IA artillery which has the higher ground and greater strategic depth. There's hardly and scope for a major offensive against Siliguri corridor ( which itself is very big) unless sikkim is neutralized.
There's hardly any scope for a major attack against india in north east due to Various reasons
1) shorter indian supply lines
2) terrain dosent allow PLA to use Heavy and medium combined arms brigades
3) numerical inferiority
4) presence of major indian air bases in the plains of assam
5) hostile Buddhist and hindu population

 

[Hellfire2006]

If you look at the map, thousands of kms of roads are right on the assumed border and so easy to be cut. What a great strategy!

No , the thing about Arunachal Pradesh is that the river valleys run perpendicular to the McMahon line, that's why it's difficult to give inter valley connectivity. Often vehicles have to go down one valley travel in the plains and climb up to the next valley. This road will establish Inter valley connectivity and co join the roads running along the river valleys to form a grid like road network. Which means even if one supply line is cut, the army can use others to transport men and material.

I understand that this infrastructure is necessary for Arunachals development. But, this will also help Chinese military if they want to slice lands from india. No?

India lost 62 due to lack of infratructure and pathetic logistics. Germans lost on the eastern front due to poor logistics and overextened supply lines. Better road network allows for faster mobilisation of troops and improves logistics. Not to mention it gives all weather connectivity to different valleys thereby allowing to shift troops from one valley to another more quickly. Going by your logic no army in the world should built infrastructure. In 2020 india was able to quickly mobilise 3 divisions to ladakh because of improved infrastructure. Otherwise we would have probably been overrun there too.

Anyways, china vs india war will be a great thing to watch. I want to know Chinese weapons quality...

You better hope not

 

[Hellfire2006]

We are talking Indians here.

Their PM is a narcissist

Their people are the dumbest of all

Their Military is made of cowards and unskilled.

So what can you expect of them?

Building roads for the enemy troops to do a blitzkrieg

Build bases along the border that can be take out by artilleries.

Build military factories that can be taken out by cheap missiles.

there's no military sense to whatever you just said. Your statement is motivated by a fake narrative ingrained into your mind by your establishment

 

[SIPRA]

Anyways, china vs india war will be a great thing to watch.

ALAS!!!!! This is not going to happen in a foreseeable future. India is not in a position to fight China, and China has no desire or need to do so.

However, public chest thumping would continue, on either side, more so on Indian side.

 

[Hellfire2006]

Yeah I also think that some of the hotblooded chest-thumper H1B visa immigrant Indians have scarce clue on what a real skirmish entails, both in blood and ammo. They will be the last ones to volunteer for an actual fighting front assignment.

These cowards would be the first ones to go into shell shock and will suffer PTSD when they see some actual bullets-to-the-head and disemboweling scenarios.

Arunachal will be a textbook Chinese invasion if it actually happens, and so will Doklam (Nathu La pass). Both scenarios are real. Hope these Sanghis don't manage to piss off the PLA and face the music....

You can see how close Bangladesh border (East Pakistan in this old map) is to Bhutan, Sikkim (Nathu La pass, Doklam) and the chicken's neck which is barely 20 -25 miles wide.

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You've shown a map, now imagine going down from 4,500 ASL ( average elevation of southermost Chinese position in tri junction ) to sea level whithout a road network and that too while being watched by indian troops having a corps level strength over the higher ground with the capability to target your shallow supply lines in that narrow valley. Does it make any sense to attack under such conditions ?

 

[SIPRA]

The case is, at such high altitudes, you need a minimum speed to maintain enough lift to not stall. Maneuvers and other things require even higher relative speed to the wing.

So, the higher the altitude, thinner the air, greater the stall speed. Now, the problem does not end here. Due to the high variability of temperature throughout the day (freezing cold at night and ~20 deg. in day), combined with humidity conditions, the density of air keeps on changing dynamically, which cause erratic lift patterns, especially for aircraft with a low aerofoil (fighter jets).

To water down what I wrote above, a fighter jet will be able to take off with a long runway in morning and evening timeframes, at noon, it might overshoot the runaway with the same payload.

Ah, did I mention higher take-off and landing speeds (required for high-altitude runaways) cause more wear-and-tear of landing gear and frequent tire bursts ?

Array Bhai: Yeh keya "Bongiyaan" maar rahay ho???

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Too many dreams are flying here and there of cheerleaders..

 

[walterbibikow]

@Hellfire2006 @Raj-Hindustani
Bilal seems to be brutally uneducated and incompetent about engineering, economics and geopolitics and bad part is that he's too much nationalist, boastful and confident about his incompetency. He will regret reading his posts when he grows older (or he'll always remain incompetent).

 

[Hellfire2006]

@Hellfire2006 @Raj-Hindustani
Bilal seems to be brutally uneducated and incompetent about engineering, economics and geopolitics and bad part is that he's too nationalist, boastful and confident about his incompetency. He will regret reading his posts when he grows older (or he always remains incompetent).

the problem is that he has a very myopic view on topics which are rather too complex to be understood easily . His ultimate aim is to undermine indians