Modi conferred ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’

[neem456]

Modi conferred ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’

PTI
RAMALLAH, FEBRUARY 10, 2018 16:01 IST
UPDATED: FEBRUARY 10, 2018 16:01 IST

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  Mr. Modi is the first Indian Prime Minister to make an official visit to Palestine.
  Prime Minister Narendra Modi was today conferred the ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’ by President Mahmoud Abbas, recognising his key contribution to promote relations between India and Palestine.
  
  President Abbas conferred the Grand Collar of the State of Palestine on Mr. Modi after the conclusion of the bilateral meeting between the two leaders.
  
  Mr. Modi is the first Indian Prime Minister to make an official visit to Palestine.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The Grand Collar is Highest order given to foreign dignitaries — Kings, Heads of State/Government and persons of similar rank.
  
  It has in the past been awarded to King Salman of Saudi Arabia, King Hamad of Bahrain, President Xi Jinping of China, amongst others.
  
  The commendation reads “In recognition of his wise leadership and his lofty national and international stature, and in appreciation of his efforts to promote the historic relations between the State of Palestine and the Republic of India; in acknowledgment of his support to our people’s right to independence and freedom so that peace prevails in the region.”
  
  
  http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...of-the-state-of-palestine/article22714293.ece

 

[Sh@msu]

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/02/09/551755/Palestine-Israel-China-Arab-League

and then they want China,party over

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What about Prime Minister Abbasi of Pakistan?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Your views on this.
@Sharif al-Hijaz

 

[neem456]

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your views on this.
@Sharif al-Hijaz

My opinion is that I do not care what Abbas and Modi are doing. He can give medals to Modi or whatever (vice versa included) his name is for all I care. Not that my views matter.

Fact of the matter is that (hard-cold truth) is that modern-day nation states are looking for their own interests first and foremost. India (1.3 billion big nation and growing and soon to be the 3 largest economy in the world) cannot simply be ignored. Even Pakistan itself cannot do it hence why there are official relations and even trade despite hostilities.





















As for my opinion about India and Modi, you might be familiar with it already, but I don't trust it at all and I would prefer those relations to be solely economic in nature. Does it mean that I hate Indians? No, I don't. I have no reason to expect for disagreeing with what they are doing in Kashmir but that conflict itself, should be solved by locals in a democratic fashion. Do they want to join Pakistan, India or become an independent entity like before 1947? That is not up to me to decide but themselves. I have heard all 3 sides of the story.

BTW you should have in mind that India, once not too long ago, was pro-Arab and supported numerous Arab nations. This is still remembered by the current generation in power. There is also "a little" minority called Indian Muslims that outnumber Pakistanis nowadays. 200 million people or so if not more. Many of those people have ties to the Arab world. So obviously this will play a role too.

Anyway did you expect the Arab world let alone Muslim world (have in mind that all Muslim countries have relations with India - look no further than to Iran which is building strategic ports with them on their own soil - yet to see Arabs do that) to boycott India and ignore that it even exists when Pakistan does not even do it? All while Pakistan has normal ties with Iran which most Arabs consider as an enemy entity currently (since 1979 due to the Iranian Mullah's ruling it) similar to how you consider India an enemy?

Those are some honest facts that we can't ignore but I do know that the few Pakistani users here who blame everything on Arabs, in particular the GCC, will probably start blaming the Indian-Pakistani conflict on those same Arabs soon!

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Now that's a novel length post actually worth reading. Good answer

My opinion is that I do not care what Abbas and Modi are doing. He can give medals to Modi or whatever (vice versa included) his name is for all I care. Not that my views matter.

Fact of the matter is that (hard-cold truth) is that modern-day nation states are looking for their own interests first and foremost. India (1.3 billion big nation and growing and soon to be the 3 largest economy in the world) cannot simply be ignored. Even Pakistan itself cannot do it hence why there are official relations and even trade despite hostilities.









As for my opinion about India and Modi, you might be familiar with it already, but I don't trust it at all and I would prefer those relations to be solely economic in nature. Does it mean that I hate Indians? No, I don't. I have no reason to expect for disagreeing what they are doing in Kashmir but that conflict itself, should be solved by locals in a democratic fashion. Do they want to join Pakistan, India or become an independent entity like before 1947. That is not up to me to decide. I have heard all 3 sides of the story.

BTW you should have in mind that India, once not too long ago, was pro-Arab and supported numerous Arab nations. This is still remembered by the current generation in power. There is also "a little" minority called Indian Muslims that outnumber Pakistanis nowadays. 200 million people or so if not more. Many of those people have ties to the Arab world. So obviously this will play a role too.

Anyway did you expect the Arab world let alone Muslim world (have in mind that all Muslim countries have relations with India - look no further than to Iran which is building strategic ports with them on their own soil - yet to see Arabs do that) to boycott India and ignore that it even exists when Pakistan does not even do it? All while Pakistan has normal ties with Iran which most Arabs consider as an enemy entity currently (since 1979 due to the Iranian Mullah's ruling it) similar to how you consider India an enemy?

Those are some honest facts that we can't ignore.

Problem with Pakistan is we expect genuine friendship in return. Wheras other nations only display cold self-interest. Also Palestinians are not doing a good job of balancing between Pakistan and India.

 

[Enigma_]

Now that's a novel length post actually worth reading. Good answer

Problem with Pakistan is we expect genuine friendship in return. Wheras other nations only display cold self-interest. Also Palestinians are not doing a good job of balancing between Pakistan and India.

Personally I don't. I just expect cold self-interest from us too, which we don't display.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Now that's a novel length post actually worth reading. Good answer

Problem with Pakistan is we expect genuine friendship in return. Wheras other nations only display cold self-interest. Also Palestinians are not doing a good job of balancing between Pakistan and India.

You should read it bro. I was being as honest as I could. You should praise me for being this frank. I don't think that I wrote anything controversial.

What is genuine friendship between modern-day STATES? Are you trying to say that Arabs have never stood by Pakistan? That Arabs states have never aided Pakistan (billions upon billions of dollars in fact), have not stood by Pakistan during natural catastrophes, has not been hosting the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world since the late 1970s, which BTW is the major economic contributor in Pakistan, has not supported Pakistan on the international level etc.

To be "pushy with you here and other Pakistanis reading this", which side do you think has gained more from this relationship? Arabs or Pakistanis? I would like to hear arguments of Arabs having gained more, in particular the GCC.

LOL, are you serious? What can Palestinians do? They hardly have any country left. One enclave (Gaza - most populous entity compared to its size) is ruled by Hamas and the other by Abbas. Both are ruling for years without any opposition. That's like if Palestinians expect Kashmiris to do something for them.

Truth be told, Pakistanis have been really bad at exposing the Kashmir question and what it is really about. Many Muslims (from Indonesia to Maghreb) have no clue about the central themes of this conflict. Is it about land? Are Muslims even involved? There is little knowledge. You can't compare it to Israel and Palestine. Even if two major religions (Islam and Judaism) let alone Jerusalem-Al-Quds (very important city for Jews, Christians and Muslims alike - there is nothing alike in Kashmir) were not involved this conflict would gain more publicity in the West due to much greater proximity to the same West and due to Jews being involved, especially post WW2 and Holocaust. Not to mention the powerful Jewish lobby in the US/West that control a lot of world media, Hollywood, banking etc. This is a fact BTW, not a conspiracy.

Personally I don't. I just expect cold self-interest from us too, which we don't display.

Well, many Pakistanis display that here on PDF openly and share your views. You are entitled to that. In such a case you should not blame others for doing the same whether they are Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Indonesians, Papuans or Chinese.

But do you really think that Chinese for instance have some kind of special love or bond with Pakistan? I have caught myself laughing at this presumed nonsense here on PDF when displayed by Pakistani users and some Chinese. The comedy is just too clear. More than say your average Muslim? I don't believe that when it comes to Arabs either and Arab world-China trade is many times larger than Pakistani-China trade. KSA-China trade alone is much bigger. Despite this I have no illusions. When it comes to nation-state relations, the only thing that matters are mutual interests. I say this despite the average Saudi Arabian and Pakistani having much more in common than with the average Chinese and vice versa.

 

[Enigma_]

Well, many Pakistanis display that here on PDF openly and share your views. You are entitled to that. In such a case you should not blame others for doing the same.

I have never blamed them for anything. I despise and curse Pakistanis that don't reciprocate to those states like they do. Including our government.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I wasnt tslking alll arab states dude. Only Palestine in right here right now.

You should read it bro. I was being as honest as I could. You should praise me for being this frank. I don't think that I wrote anything controversial.

What is genuine friendship between modern-day STATES? Are you trying to say that Arabs have never stood by Pakistan? That Arabs states have never aided Pakistan (billions upon billions of dollars in fact), have not stood by Pakistan during natural catastrophes, has not been hosting the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world since the late 1970s, which BTW is the major economic contributor in Pakistan, has not supported Pakistan on the international level etc.

To be "pushy with you here and other Pakistanis reading this", which side do you think has gained more from this relationship? Arabs or Pakistanis? I would like to hear arguments of Arabs having gained more, in particular the GCC.

LOL, are you serious? What can Palestinians do? They hardly have any country left. One enclave (Gaza - most populous entity compared to its size) is ruled by Hamas and the other by Abbas. Both are ruling for years without any opposition. That's like if Palestinians expect Kashmiris to do something for them.

Truth be told, Pakistanis have been really bad at exposing the Kashmir question and what it is really about. Many Muslims (from Indonesia to Maghreb) have no clue about the central themes of this conflict. Is it about land? Are Muslims even involved? There is little knowledge. You can't compare it to Israel and Palestine. Even if two major religions (Islam and Judaism) let alone Jerusalem-Al-Quds (very important city for Jews, Christians and Muslims alike - there is nothing alike in Kashmir) were not involved this conflict would gain more publicity in the West due to much greater proximity to the same West and due to Jews being involved, especially post WW2 and Holocaust. Not to mention the powerful Jewish lobby in the US/West that control a lot of world media, Hollywood, banking etc. This is a fact BTW, not a conspiracy.



Well, many Pakistanis display that here on PDF openly and share your views. You are entitled to that. In such a case you should not blame others for doing the same.

And I agree arabs and Pakistan have had a good relationship and I did also say that was a good post. Hehe

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I wasnt tslking alll arab states dude. Only Palestine in right here right now.

But we all know that nationalist Pakistanis here (99% of all users after all nationalists are attracted to such forums) share the same views with any state that has a glimpse of interaction with India. Whether it is former East Pakistan (Bangladesh) or even KSA. Maybe China's significant trade ties with India are somehow deliberately ignored (for whatever reasons - I find that hypocritical but whatever and I am a big fan of China and a big proponent of greater Arab-Chinese ties and Muslim-Chinese ties) but other than that, I can't think of anyone else.

Pro-Pakistani Iranians, will downplay the close and growing Indian-Iranian ties (even historical) while the same will be the case with the pro-Arab lot.

Then there are Pakistani users who blame others (foreigners) for things that their own government is doing, case in point official meetings between Pakistani and Indian officials, trade ties between India and Pakistan, millions of Indians and Pakistanis visiting both countries each year (from medical tourists to other kind of visitors) etc.

If you ask me, your relationship with India (hostile) is as useless (wider picture) as the Arab-Israeli and Arab-Iranian hostilities. Little to gain from enmity much to gain from cooperation.

Why not let those Kashmiris (was Kashmir ever a part of Pakistan in its entirety - I don't think so, let alone India either) decide on their own what entity they want to join? Even if the majority wanted to become an independent entity like prior to 1947, they would not be allowed and be swallowed up by its two large neighbors. So there is only 2 options. Either Pakistan or India.

Divide Kashmir based on which part of it wants to join either Pakistan or Kashmir.

You have no holy sites even remotely close to Jerusalem/Al-Quds to fight about in that context. Not even close to the same publicity or outside influences. You are IMO wasting your time, economy and countless of young lives. That's my take on it.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Modi conferred ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’

PTI
RAMALLAH, FEBRUARY 10, 2018 16:01 IST
UPDATED: FEBRUARY 10, 2018 16:01 IST

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  Mr. Modi is the first Indian Prime Minister to make an official visit to Palestine.
  Prime Minister Narendra Modi was today conferred the ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’ by President Mahmoud Abbas, recognising his key contribution to promote relations between India and Palestine.
  
  President Abbas conferred the Grand Collar of the State of Palestine on Mr. Modi after the conclusion of the bilateral meeting between the two leaders.
  
  Mr. Modi is the first Indian Prime Minister to make an official visit to Palestine.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The Grand Collar is Highest order given to foreign dignitaries — Kings, Heads of State/Government and persons of similar rank.
  
  It has in the past been awarded to King Salman of Saudi Arabia, King Hamad of Bahrain, President Xi Jinping of China, amongst others.
  
  The commendation reads “In recognition of his wise leadership and his lofty national and international stature, and in appreciation of his efforts to promote the historic relations between the State of Palestine and the Republic of India; in acknowledgment of his support to our people’s right to independence and freedom so that peace prevails in the region.”
  
  
  http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...of-the-state-of-palestine/article22714293.ece

@dsr478...........So what happened to the Ummah here then????...........




I am actually glad this has happened. Pakistanis can now stop crying about the Palestinians and give up on the toxic idea of the "Ummah" Chummah.

 

[El Sidd]

Fascinating.......

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@dsr478...........So what happened to the Ummah here then????...........




I am actually glad this has happened. Pakistanis can now stop crying about the Palestinians and give up on the toxic idea of the "Ummah" Chummah.

Is this your Pakistani version of Ummah as well?

http://indiapakistantrade.org

Where are you when Indians and Iranians are hugging and Iranians and Indians building strategic ports in Iran? Only found in Arab-India threads while lamenting the state of the Ummah?

Or when are you when Chinese and Indian leaders are bear hugging and having trade ties worth several billion dollars each year?

Today, China is India’s largest trading partner, with a bilateral trade of $71.5 billion. The total imports from China during the last fiscal year stood at $61.3 billion against India’s export to China worth $10.2 billion. The trade deficit, which stood at $37.2 billion a few years ago, now stands at a whopping $51.1 billion.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/08/how-to-fix-india-china-trade/

Complete silence? I thought so.

Now how many Pakistanis is Iran (yet Iran hosts millions of illegal Afghans but not many Pakistanis) hosting or China? Can you please answer me? Which region of the world provides the by far largest remittances to Pakistan? Arab world (GCC in particular if not almost exclusively - before Libya and Iraq did too - no longer the case) or Iran (LOL) or China?

BTW the trade volume between Turkey and India was 13 billion USD last year.

http://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkey_s-commercial-and-economic-relations-with-india.en.mfa

https://www.dailysabah.com/op-ed/20...cooperation-significant-for-further-relations

It seems that nobody is ignoring India.

Where were such comments when Erdogan visited India in April of 2017? I can't seem to find the usual suspects in any such threads?

I don't recall that happening. Why is that?

Turkey-India cooperation significant for further relations
RAHUL KULSHRESHTH
PublishedApril 28, 2017
President Erdoğan's official visit to India will strengthen Turkish-Indian relations and help the two countries increase their bilateral cooperation in the near future

Can you please answer your Arab Muslim brother here and do some explaining? Friends are supposed to be frank and honest with each other.

@Ahmet Pasha what is your view of my post(s) bro? Am I speaking too much truth here and being too frank or do you think that I have a point here?