Moderna refused China request to reveal vaccine technology

[Hamartia Antidote]

A lot of horse shit and cow dung here. First of all, how is Moderna better than BioNTech's mRNA vaccine?

Good enough that these are the countries approving it.

But don't worry China is not on the list so you can just default to calling it crap to make yourselves happy with your own vaccines.

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[Arsalan345]

Very good decision. Stealing is an art and china knows it quite well. United states need to restrict things. China is copying everything. they don't have any other work, only copy-paste.

 

[Genghis khan1]

I regret getting this vaccine but it was required for my travel.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Very good decision. Stealing is an art and china knows it quite well. United states need to restrict things. China is copying everything. they don't have any other work, only copy-paste.

It’s not that easy. Intellectual property (IP) infringement can be brought up in international courts. Vaccination can be used as biological weapon. I see why China and Russia (two major rivals) are skeptical to allow US vaccines without them disclosing certain information.

Case in point: Pakistan has been producing dimwit for atleast generation or two. Who knows what they have been getting in those sometime “free” vaccines.

 

[patero]

The mRNA technology created and patented by the Pharma companies has potential applications that extend well beyond the covid vaccines. None of them will hand over that technology and jeopardise their future market positions to a potential rival, Pharma companies are strategically focused not just short term focused on quarterly results. Trading access to market for technology transfers may have worked in the past for the CCP, but corporates have awoken to the long term threat the CCP poses.

 

[MajesticPug]

Good enough that these are the countries approving it.

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But don't worry China is not on the list so you can just default to calling it crap to make yourselves happy with your own vaccines.

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Your data indicated BioNTech leads the number of approving countries OVER Moderna. Does it mean Moderna is less effective? No, each country's approval is linked to its politics, national and business interests, and of course the vaccine's meeting the safety and efficacy requirement. Essentially, your data hasn't said answered anything about my question. Bottom line is: China doesn't need Moderna and you're just a liar spreading lies.

The mRNA technology created and patented by the Pharma companies has potential applications that extend well beyond the covid vaccines. None of them will hand over that technology and jeopardise their future market positions to a potential rival, Pharma companies are strategically focused not just short term focused on quarterly results. Trading access to market for technology transfers may have worked in the past for the CCP, but corporates have awoken to the long term threat the CCP poses.

I took a scan of the paragraph and found term 'CCP' when it should be indicating China or the Chinese government. Then your piece of crap is just another junk and the writer is just a brainless or brainwashed zombie or brain-dead 50cents on the US State Dept's payroll.

 

[MH.Yang]

Are you sure those vaccines are approved for general population ? whatever i checked is telling me they are still in various stages of trials.

If these vaccines are not even used in China, how can the Indonesian government approve their use in Indonesia?

The Chinese government has provided four kinds of domestic mRNA vaccines to Chinese citizens. There are also 16 kinds of mRNA vaccines in the development stage. But the Chinese people do not trust mRNA, and we trust the traditional inactivated vaccine.

 

[Beast]

Well the Russians are complaining about pretty much everything else

Furious Russia Blasts China Over Unauthorized Copying Of Russian Military Hardware

Russian defence conglomerate Rostec has attacked China over unauthorized stealing of Russian military hardware which has ignited tensions between key-allies Russia and China. China, Pakistan Team-Up For Joint Military Drills To Protect CPEC Project Russia has been China’s biggest arms supplier...

eurasiantimes.com

Fancy you quote euroasian times... Can you do it better?

Very good decision. Stealing is an art and china knows it quite well. United states need to restrict things. China is copying everything. they don't have any other work, only copy-paste.

Throw your Pakistan flag out , you false flagger. You got your 45 cent today from your uncle Satan. Funny is you are only interested to attack China only when Israel are killing Muslim or Indian Hindu are butcher kashmir Muslim or stealing medicine formula, you are no way to be seen for such action.

Selling Cheap 'Generic' Drugs, India's Copycats Irk Industry (Published 2000)

Article in series, Medicine Merchants, describes Indian pharmaceutical company that manufactures slightly altered versions of drugs developed and marketed by Western companies, selling them for far less; under Indian law, only manufacturing processes, not products themselves, are covered by...

www.nytimes.com

And fancy you worship a thief who u accuse other of thief. This makes you no moral to talk about other in the first place.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/how-the-uss-cia-and-germanys-bnd-spied-on-world-leaders/a-52358527

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Then your piece of crap is just another junk and the writer is just a brainless or brainwashed zombie or brain-dead 50cents on the US State Dept's payroll.

Dude why are you so angry and taking this article personally??

Discussions are well documented between Moderna and China...but you just focus on the words of one article.

September 21, 2022

Moderna exec: 'eager' to collaborate with China on supplying COVID vaccines

Moderna Inc Chief Medical Officer Paul Burton said on Wednesday the company is "eager" to collaborate with China on supplying its mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines to the country.

www.reuters.com

Stop getting your panties all in a wad...geez.

Moderna and China at Impasse over Selling mRNA COVID Vaccine in China

Moderna says it is “eager” to sell its mRNA Vaccine in China, but balks at the conditions China imposes: either Moderna must sign up with a China-based partner, transferring all its technology to the China company and allowing the China company to make the drug, or the company must build a China...

www.chinabiotoday.com

Moderna says it is “eager” to sell its mRNA Vaccine in China, but balks at the conditions China imposes: either Moderna must sign up with a China-based partner, transferring all its technology to the China company and allowing the China company to make the drug, or the company must build a China manufacturing facility, again with a China partner, which would not involve a technology transfer. Either way, Moderna assumes it would lose effective control of its IP, which it refuses to do, citing worries that its reputation would suffer if a partner produced unsafe/lower quality vaccines

 

[MajesticPug]

Dude why are you so angry and taking this article personally??

Discussions are well documented between Moderna and China...but you just focus on the words of one article.

September 21, 2022

Moderna exec: 'eager' to collaborate with China on supplying COVID vaccines

Moderna Inc Chief Medical Officer Paul Burton said on Wednesday the company is "eager" to collaborate with China on supplying its mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines to the country.

www.reuters.com

Stop getting your panties all in a wad...geez.

Moderna and China at Impasse over Selling mRNA COVID Vaccine in China

Moderna says it is “eager” to sell its mRNA Vaccine in China, but balks at the conditions China imposes: either Moderna must sign up with a China-based partner, transferring all its technology to the China company and allowing the China company to make the drug, or the company must build a China...

www.chinabiotoday.com

Moderna says it is “eager” to sell its mRNA Vaccine in China, but balks at the conditions China imposes: either Moderna must sign up with a China-based partner, transferring all its technology to the China company and allowing the China company to make the drug, or the company must build a China manufacturing facility, again with a China partner, which would not involve a technology transfer. Either way, Moderna assumes it would lose effective control of its IP, which it refuses to do, citing worries that its reputation would suffer if a partner produced unsafe/lower quality vaccines

MajesticPug said:
Then your piece of crap is just another junk and the writer is just a brainless or brainwashed zombie or brain-dead 50cents on the US State Dept's payroll.

That 'piece of crap' comment was directed @patero because his use of CCP in place of China is misinformation and a low smudging contempt at the Chinese people. He should use that kind of writing tactics on the American public because many Americans are uneducated on 'critical reading' skills.

As for your mentioning Moderna not giving in to China because China wants IP transfer. It's all hot air from behinds. I asked you for proof of Moderna's mRNA superior than BioNTech's but you clumsily pulled data on countries' acceptance of the vaccines. The data inadvertently shows BioNTech has a lot more acceptance than Moderna. It nevertheless couldn't show how Moderna's is more effective and superior than BioNTech. Your response exposed you're lousy in understanding basic concepts and has no idea how a Covid vaccine is accepted by countries.

 

[mili]

Moderna refused China request to reveal vaccine technology, Financial Times reports

Moderna Inc has refused to hand over to China the core intellectual property behind the development of its COVID-19 vaccine, leading to a collapse in negotiations on its sale there, the Financial Times reported on Saturday, citing people familiar with the matter.

www.reuters.com

................. adding that the vaccine maker is still “eager” to sell the product to China.
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Just bitter that they can't sell to China. lol

Western mrna can forget about selling their rubbish to China.
Even the sheep in the west are waking up about their mrna 'vaccine'.

Guidance for Mrna COVID-19 Vaccine | Florida Department of Health

Tallahassee, Fla.— Today, State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo has announced new guidance regarding mRNA vaccines. The Florida Department of Health (Department) conducted an analysis through a self-controlled case series, which is a technique originally developed to evaluate vaccine safety.

www.floridahealth.gov

Tallahassee, Fla. — Today, State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo has announced new guidance regarding mRNA vaccines. The Florida Department of Health (Department) conducted an

analysis through a

self-controlled case series, which is a technique originally developed to evaluate vaccine safety.

This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks.

 

[mili]

usa, for example which use almost exclusively mrna 'vaccine', still sees about 15000 deaths a month, and that's only the official number.
When will the sheep wake up ? Maybe never.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

usa, for example which use almost exclusively mrna 'vaccine', still sees about 15000 deaths a month, and that's only the official number.
When will the sheep wake up ? Maybe never.

What stupid sh*t are you yapping about? Almost all the people who are dying these days are unvaccinated.

Just think logically here...if the MNRA vaccines didn't work we'd still be having high deaths rates or do you really believe this virus on it's own just decided to "go away".

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Plus the majority of the vaccines given in Malaysia is the pfizer MNRA one.

 

[MH.Yang]

Dude why are you so angry and taking this article personally??

Discussions are well documented between Moderna and China...but you just focus on the words of one article.

September 21, 2022

Moderna exec: 'eager' to collaborate with China on supplying COVID vaccines

Moderna Inc Chief Medical Officer Paul Burton said on Wednesday the company is "eager" to collaborate with China on supplying its mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines to the country.

www.reuters.com

Stop getting your panties all in a wad...geez.

Moderna and China at Impasse over Selling mRNA COVID Vaccine in China

Moderna says it is “eager” to sell its mRNA Vaccine in China, but balks at the conditions China imposes: either Moderna must sign up with a China-based partner, transferring all its technology to the China company and allowing the China company to make the drug, or the company must build a China...

www.chinabiotoday.com

Moderna says it is “eager” to sell its mRNA Vaccine in China, but balks at the conditions China imposes: either Moderna must sign up with a China-based partner, transferring all its technology to the China company and allowing the China company to make the drug, or the company must build a China manufacturing facility, again with a China partner, which would not involve a technology transfer. Either way, Moderna assumes it would lose effective control of its IP, which it refuses to do, citing worries that its reputation would suffer if a partner produced unsafe/lower quality vaccines

This is very normal business behavior.

Because China does not need Moderna, and Moderna wants to enter the Chinese market. Then China will inevitably put forward conditions, and Moderna has the right to choose whether to accept or not.

The US government also forced Tiktok to store customer information in the US.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Your data indicated BioNTech leads the number of approving countries OVER Moderna. Does it mean Moderna is less effective?

One reason is because Moderna is a small 12 year old company that doesn't have much worldwide capacity experience while BioNTech has leveraged Pfizer (which has been around for 175 years) to help make their supply.