MoD to place Rs 3,500-crore order for New Hawk advanced jet trainer

[anant_s]

NEW DELHI: India is likely to place an order for an additional batch of Hawk advanced jet trainers under a Rs 3,500-crore deal to meet requirements of the Air Force and Navy.

Hawk aircraft are the primary advanced trainers for combat pilots in India.

The new deal for 32 jet trainers will add to the 123 aircraft already ordered for the Indian armed forces.
Sources in the defence ministry told ET that the Hawk deal, which had been stuck for several months on pricing issues, is now moving forward with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited expected to get the order within a few months.
Hawk aircraft are the primary advanced trainers for combat pilots in India and have been used extensively due to a deficiency of intermediate jet trainers.
While the Navy has a requirement of at least eight more Hawks to train fighter pilots for the MiG 29K fleet, the Air Force requires additional planes for its Suryakiran aerobatic team that has been reconstituted after a long break.
The new order would keep HAL's Hawk line running for a few more years. An eight point upgrade of the trainers is being planned with assistance from its original manufacturer BAE to make then capable of training operations for new generation fighters. HAL is the largest producer of the Hawk outside of the UK and also has export plans in the future for a weaponised version of the aircraft.
Officials connected with the program have told ET that an Indian-made combat version of the Hawk aircraft could be displayed at the Aero India show in February 2017 for demonstration.
The Combat Hawk, for which interest has been shown by potential clients to undertake light attack missions, is currently under development jointly with BAE. HAL is looking to integrate a new engine, weapon systems and possibly a radar to the trainer.

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[kaykay]

So at the end we'll have a fleet of 155 hawk advance trainers....Thats quite a fleet. Anyway it seems Navy will get 17+8= 25 hawks while IAF will get rest of 130 hawks which also include few hawks for suryakiran aerobatics team.

 

[GuardianRED]

So at the end we'll have a fleet of 155 hawk advance trainers....Thats quite a fleet. Anyway it seems Navy will get 17+8= 25 hawks while IAF will get rest of 130 hawks which also include few hawks for suryakiran aerobatics team.

but isn't already 4 Nos already been transferred to the Suryakirans?

 

[kaykay]

but isn't already 4 Nos already been transferred to the Suryakirans?

Yeah you are right bro. 4 hawks are already transferred to Surya kiran while total requirements are of 20.

 

[Abingdonboy]

but isn't already 4 Nos already been transferred to the Suryakirans?

4 have been transferred to the SKAT but to get them to full strength where they can fly in their infamous diamond formation they require 21 units so follow on orders for the Hawk were expected. By 2018 the SKAT should be back up to full strength afaik.

 

[GuardianRED]

4 have been transferred to the SKAT but to get them to full strength where they can fly in their infamous diamond formation they require 21 units so follow on orders for the Hawk were expected. By 2018 the SKAT should be back up to full strength afaik.

21? Thought they were a Nine Frames Team? ... so add 2 for spare ... the balance?

Love the colour scheme

 

[Abingdonboy]

21? Thought they were a Nine Frames Team? ... so add 2 for spare ... the balance?

When you consider the amount of training each SKAT pilot has to go through, their own selection process, extra airframes to cover airframe losses and the requirement to have 11 serviceable planes at any one time to send across the country the need to have a full SQN's worth of AJTs available to the team makes sense.

If you imagine how stressed these birds would become if the team had to make do with 9 or 11 they would require replacing after about 10 years. Add more airframes and stretch out usage and you can have a fleet for the next 25 years that aren't all stressed to the limit.

 

[wiseone2]

NEW DELHI: India is likely to place an order for an additional batch of Hawk advanced jet trainers under a Rs 3,500-crore deal to meet requirements of the Air Force and Navy.


The new deal for 32 jet trainers will add to the 123 aircraft already ordered for the Indian armed forces.
Sources in the defence ministry told ET that the Hawk deal, which had been stuck for several months on pricing issues, is now moving forward with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited expected to get the order within a few months.
Hawk aircraft are the primary advanced trainers for combat pilots in India and have been used extensively due to a deficiency of intermediate jet trainers.
While the Navy has a requirement of at least eight more Hawks to train fighter pilots for the MiG 29K fleet, the Air Force requires additional planes for its Suryakiran aerobatic team that has been reconstituted after a long break.
The new order would keep HAL's Hawk line running for a few more years. An eight point upgrade of the trainers is being planned with assistance from its original manufacturer BAE to make then capable of training operations for new generation fighters. HAL is the largest producer of the Hawk outside of the UK and also has export plans in the future for a weaponised version of the aircraft.
Officials connected with the program have told ET that an Indian-made combat version of the Hawk aircraft could be displayed at the Aero India show in February 2017 for demonstration.
The Combat Hawk, for which interest has been shown by potential clients to undertake light attack missions, is currently under development jointly with BAE. HAL is looking to integrate a new engine, weapon systems and possibly a radar to the trainer.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/mod-to-place-rs-3500-crore-order-for-new-hawk-advanced-jet-trainer/articleshow/54159701.cms

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it is a good investment in training

 

[sudhir007]

what are the benefit of arm version which HAL developed with BAE. And why not IAF order Lift version of LCA.

 

[kaykay]

what are the benefit of arm version which HAL developed with BAE. And why not IAF order Lift version of LCA.

I might be completely wrong but I think in IAF every squadron keeps atleast 2 aircrafts of trainer version of that particular aircraft. I don't think they need LIFT trainers.

 

[Abingdonboy]

what are the benefit of arm version which HAL developed with BAE. And why not IAF order Lift version of LCA.

I don't think the Indian military are that interested in the Combat Hawk, it very much seems as though HAL and BAE are targeting the export market with this product.

I might be completely wrong but I think in IAF every squadron keeps atleast 2 aircrafts of trainer version of that particular aircraft. I don't think they need LIFT trainers.

Whilst it is true that every SQN has trainer a/c explicitly to train new pilots when they enter SQN service, I don't think having a dedicated LCA LIFT stage added to the current 3 stage training would be a bad idea. As it stands, fighter pilots will go from the subsonic AJT to their OCU that will be flying supersonic birds, it would help reduce the learning curve by having and intermediate step in the form of the supersonic LCA LIFT.

 

[Ali Zadi]

IAF was arming these bad boys or were they not, Sitara also seem to be making headway fast that means Hawk can be used in that role.

 

[GuardianRED]

IAF was arming these bad boys or were they not, Sitara also seem to be making headway fast that means Hawk can be used in that role.

the HJT is pretty much dead at 6 Frames and funding stop still the rectify all the issues - Don't see a future for it at all!

Yes the hawk are armed for training!

 

[wiseone2]

Does the IAF have a need for light attack aircraft ?