MoD to place Rs 3,500-crore order for New Hawk advanced jet trainer

[R!CK]

Does the IAF have a need for light attack aircraft ?

Unless we are fighting Taliban at Afghanistan or reverse our decision to utilize air power against Naxals in NE, absolutely no requirement for light attack aircraft in our inventory. These aircraft are for countries that cant afford expensive jets or are fighting terrorists with little to no anti-air support. If we intend to use them against countries like China and Pakistan, then may god save the pilots!

What we do need though is a dedicated CAS aircraft similar to A-10. I can guarantee you, US will not be replacing A-10s with F-35 but with a newly funded dedicated CAS aircraft. Hopefully, we are given a choice to buy them once such a plan materializes.

Edit: And lets not get too patriotic and say we can go Indigenous. There is absolutely no business case for an indigenous project for a relatively small fleet of dedicated CAS.

Good Day!

 

[Blue Marlin]

NEW DELHI: India is likely to place an order for an additional batch of Hawk advanced jet trainers under a Rs 3,500-crore deal to meet requirements of the Air Force and Navy.


The new deal for 32 jet trainers will add to the 123 aircraft already ordered for the Indian armed forces.
Sources in the defence ministry told ET that the Hawk deal, which had been stuck for several months on pricing issues, is now moving forward with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited expected to get the order within a few months.
Hawk aircraft are the primary advanced trainers for combat pilots in India and have been used extensively due to a deficiency of intermediate jet trainers.
While the Navy has a requirement of at least eight more Hawks to train fighter pilots for the MiG 29K fleet, the Air Force requires additional planes for its Suryakiran aerobatic team that has been reconstituted after a long break.
The new order would keep HAL's Hawk line running for a few more years. An eight point upgrade of the trainers is being planned with assistance from its original manufacturer BAE to make then capable of training operations for new generation fighters. HAL is the largest producer of the Hawk outside of the UK and also has export plans in the future for a weaponised version of the aircraft.
Officials connected with the program have told ET that an Indian-made combat version of the Hawk aircraft could be displayed at the Aero India show in February 2017 for demonstration.
The Combat Hawk, for which interest has been shown by potential clients to undertake light attack missions, is currently under development jointly with BAE. HAL is looking to integrate a new engine, weapon systems and possibly a radar to the trainer.

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so i guess hjt-36 is a flop then.
well... im not complaining, keep on buying them

 

[Armani]

so i guess hjt-36 is a flop then.
well... im not complaining, keep on buying them

Technically HJT-36 and Hawk are in different categories, one's orders will not affect the other.

However, the HJT is still not likely to be bought because it falls in the Intermediate tier of jet trainers (IJT) which IAF
looks like it wants to get rid off and possibly restructure the training regime. If this happens, a new LIFT category has to be created. The revised tiers would look like -

Basic Turboprop Trainers (BTTs) : Pilatus PC-7A Mk-2 and HAL HTT-40 (split order)
Advanced Jet Trainers (AJTs) : BAE Hawk Mk.132
Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) : ??? Could be a version of Tejas Mk-1 Operational Conversion Trainer or maybe a foreign purchase like Yak-130/TX.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Technically HJT-36 and Hawk are in different categories, one's orders will not affect the other.

However, the HJT is still not likely to be bought because it falls in the Intermediate tier of jet trainers (IJT) which IAF
looks like it wants to get rid off and possibly restructure the training regime. If this happens, a new LIFT category has to be created. The revised tiers would look like -

Basic Turboprop Trainers (BTTs) : Pilatus PC-7A Mk-2 and HAL HTT-40 (split order)
Advanced Jet Trainers (AJTs) : BAE Hawk Mk.132
Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) : ??? Could be a version of Tejas Mk-1 Operational Conversion Trainer or maybe a foreign purchase like Yak-130/TX.

the hjt-36 fits the ajt- bill quiet nicely. i have not much of it recently so i assume its not going well. its not had a smooth development as well so that may be a factor

 

[VivasvatManu]

IAF should have placed an order for a 100 LCA trainers so that the LCA had more time to mature and improve.

But as usual, lack of support from IAF continue to tell its own story

 

[anant_s]

so i guess hjt-36 is a flop then.

Not sure if we can deduct that, but as @Armani has mentioned, IAF doesn't look too excited about an Intermediate jet Trainer.
Hawk has been able to meet IAF's requirements pretty well and shortly India would become one of the biggest operators of same. & in this context, IJT may not have a bright future.