Missile

[integra]

After reading the comments on this thread it seems we’ve become
pessimistic recently and some over enthusiastic Indians are preaching
quite the recipe even Einstein would have irked off!

obviously I’ll support our friendly Laughing_Fighter here , why?
To blast off the Farakka barrage ofcourse! Why wait being a sitting duck
thinking of all the consequences

Orright chaps, here is my dummies guide to DIY missile production
Shopping list….

*10mhz quartz crystals (or some similar timers)
*PIC 16F1827 Microcontroller (has five channels)
*Control moment Inertial gyroscope or
Ring laser gyroscopes
*Resistance sensor (for picking off magnetic signals from Gyro)
*Missiles or Firecrackers of suitable range (when the directions
are controlled the rest is milk and honey!)
*GPS azimuth guidance (optional , requires satellite)


The microcontroller shall take readings from the gyro for altitude, impact and GPS
for X,Y axis which is the toughest part . Another PIC 16F1827 to control
the nozzle fins of turbojet , rotating and correcting from reference zero
readings of the gyro.

Heres how the sensor picks off the signals (Look for the Pick off part)

This sort of sensors can be used for many purpose so fund a team from SPARSO
Or BUET for a collaboration with NASA Gravity Probe B program( somehow
Convince them this is for educational purpose ) .

Or if that’s a trouble get one of this, available commercially for active guidance
GG1320AN_Digital_Laser_Gyro.pdf

Phew! And then continue with prototypes and someday Blast off the Farakka
DAM to oblivion, or atleast scare the Indians with guided prank Firecrackers

 

[Zabaniyah]

DIY missiles

Hell, I'll be making one in my basement, along with nuclear fission now

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I am not saying it is easy, i am simply saying it is not that hard, all it requires is resources and global influence. KSA, UAE can build the A bomb when it wants to, it is the other global powers that do not allow them to develop one. Building an A bomb is not hard, it is the delivery method that is hard. The A bomb is a 70 year old tech. The Manhattan project cost the US 1 billion at that time and the nazi germany was developing their own nukes at peenamunde, they just lost the race in building one. If pakistan can build the A bomb with an economy like that, it wouldn't be that hard for rich arab nations to build one. Pakistan did it in great secrecy and I must say ISI was highly efficient in covering their tracks. Middle east is a whole different ball game, the west has strong intelligence there along with governments that are pro west, its near to impossible to build one there.

Iran,Libya,Iraq,Syria etc had alot of money,scientists,infra,access to black market and not much american influence yet its been decades and they couldnt build a nuke... the A-Bomb tech isnt a 70 year old tech...its evolving everyday...and according to u 1 billion$ were spent by usa on manhattan project... now tell me how much tht would be value after 70 years? how many billion $$ would tht be in todays $$? and than consider bangladeshs defence budget... and our economy was the fastest growin in SOUTH ASIA and less than 18% poverty...when we started our A-PROJECT..... Is bangladesh capable of doin it today? pro india govt,not so awesome economy,lot of poverty..USA,small defence budget,no influence,can it survive a few decades of sanctions?does it have the infra?the nuclear know how?the billions of $$ for A-Bomb and the delivery systems? and access to tht kind of tech? i doubt it...... Bangladesh should spend some $$ on small short ranged missile,end the indian influence,develop the desire n political will and within 15-20 years u might have a small but homegrown missile prog!

 

[TopCat]

Iran,Libya,Iraq,Syria etc had alot of money,scientists,infra,access to black market and not much american influence yet its been decades and they couldnt build a nuke... the A-Bomb tech isnt a 70 year old tech...its evolving everyday...and according to u 1 billion$ were spent by usa on manhattan project... now tell me how much tht would be value after 70 years? how many billion $$ would tht be in todays $$? and than consider bangladeshs defence budget... and our economy was the fastest growin in SOUTH ASIA and less than 18% poverty...when we started our A-PROJECT..... Is bangladesh capable of doin it today? pro india govt,not so awesome economy,lot of poverty..USA,small defence budget,no influence,can it survive a few decades of sanctions?does it have the infra?the nuclear know how?the billions of $$ for A-Bomb and the delivery systems? and access to tht kind of tech? i doubt it...... Bangladesh should spend some $$ on small short ranged missile,end the indian influence,develop the desire n political will and within 15-20 years u might have a small but homegrown missile prog!

Nobody needs to write a cheque for billions of dollar to start a R&D. You dont have to pay it upfront rather 100 million dollar a year budget allocation could build you bomb within few years. Money is not an issue but geo politics is. Bangladesh does not need long range missile neither bomb for sure. We should rather buy some very good fighter jets.

By the way, when Pakistan started the N program its economy was even smaller than Afhgans.

 

[shrivatsa]

Not really Pakistan had started buildin the A-Bomb immediately after the 71 fiasco.... and by the mid 80s we already had it... and no it wasnt funded up by the arabs.... it was funded out by our own govt... as per Dr AQ Khan.... remember what Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto said in his famous speech? "we will eat grass but we will make an atomic bomb" and we did... also during tht era Pakistan was economically much better than india till the 90.... To make a A-Bomb... uve got to have a NATIONAL DESIRE AND POLITICAL WILL... and be ready to get sanctioned or even attacked... like what happened in the 90s when israel tried to bomb Kahuta... and the 10+ year sanctions in the 90s tht we call the "lost decade".... india had USSR and we had GOD(china?)... sanctions were only lifted when USA started WOT and we became a part of it... also missile makin isnt easy u have to devote hundreds n billions of $$ and decades for it to mature and reap fruit... Right now... bangladesh doesnt even have the infra,the political will,the experts,the money nor would india or even usa want it to achieve somethin like tht...

 

[LeGenD]

Why bangladesh military isn't investing on making missiles? Everyone now things twice before attacking iran and the reason is its missiles. Same thing can happen to bangladesh. I know that bangladeshi military mainly defensive but in a war if you can not take the war into adversary's country basically you aren't winning. Bangladesh should think to make missiles, for the beginning, short range and later with research, distance could be increased. I see nobody here discuss about missiles and I see that military of bangladesh aren't intending to take the steps to make missiles. Why is that?

Actually Iran is not secure. This is a myth.

However, I do agree that Bangladesh should improve its military capabilities.

First of all mate who is going to attack bangladesh. Nor India nor China are intrested in attacking you. And 2nd thing Usa doest atack Iran coz there are in hughe mess after attacking Afghanistan and Irak. Simply they cant afforad any war right now.

You are also misinformed on US position. Iraq is a closed chapter, in case if you have not been following the news.

Only Afghan front is open. However, US now have flexibility to act against Iran.

 

[Infinite]

By the way, when Pakistan started the N program its economy was even smaller than Afhgans.

At least do some research before making false claims.

 

[TopCat]

At least do some research before making false claims.

Look at 1970's economy of Pakistan and Afhgan economy of now. Pakistan economy was less than Afhgan econony now. Can Afhgan afford a bomb? Just phone Karzai...

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

What are Bangladesh's threats that a cruise or ballistic missile can neutralize?

If Bangladesh ever makes them , the only good they would be is to sell them to other nations trying to acquire such capabilities.

 

[LeGenD]

I am not saying it is easy, i am simply saying it is not that hard, all it requires is resources and global influence. KSA, UAE can build the A bomb when it wants to, it is the other global powers that do not allow them to develop one. Building an A bomb is not hard, it is the delivery method that is hard. The A bomb is a 70 year old tech. The Manhattan project cost the US 1 billion at that time and the nazi germany was developing their own nukes at peenamunde, they just lost the race in building one. If pakistan can build the A bomb with an economy like that, it wouldn't be that hard for rich arab nations to build one. Pakistan did it in great secrecy and I must say ISI was highly efficient in covering their tracks. Middle east is a whole different ball game, the west has strong intelligence there along with governments that are pro west, its near to impossible to build one there.

Pakistani and Indian nuclear programs were well known at global scale. Both countries started these projects during 1960s. Yes! I am not kidding. It is foolish to assume that these programs were shrouded in mystery; maybe from the public but not to intelligence services of prominent nations.

And building an Atomic Bomb is not as easy as it sounds. You need proper infrastructure for this kind of ambitious project. However, delivery systems are even more challenging aspects. Therefore, you are correct in this aspect.

Look at 1970's economy of Pakistan and Afhgan economy of now. Pakistan economy was less than Afhgan econony now. Can Afhgan afford a bomb? Just phone Karzai...

Sir, life was very simplistic back then. And population was also very small. Therefore, things were easier to manage.

However, it still took many years to build fully functional nuclear bombs.

 

[arp2041]

Look at 1970's economy of Pakistan and Afhgan economy of now. Pakistan economy was less than Afhgan econony now. Can Afhgan afford a bomb? Just phone Karzai...

This is ridiculous, u can't compare one economy of today with another economy 4 decades back. U always have to consider inflation factor here. This way u can say that Indian economy is more than US economy of 1970s.

 

[nomi007]

i think you need to improve your air defense

 

[TopCat]

This is ridiculous, u can't compare one economy of today with another economy 4 decades back. U always have to consider inflation factor here. This way u can say that Indian economy is more than US economy of 1970s.

Take it easy dude.. It was just an analogy placed to show how strong PK economy was back in 70's. It was not meant to compare PK and Afhgan.

 

[Hobo1]

@Lighting_Fighter you need invest in nukes if u want to keep India at bay.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

A lot of useful comments have been made but a lot of childish and outright silly comments have also been posted in this thread as well. There are a number of factors weighing in against Bangladesh pursuing a ballistic/cruise missile programme of note, some of them are external and some of them domestic. On the domestic front, the public apathy/lack of awareness, Hindutva radicals' sinister influence on a large chunk of the population through BAL and their 'allies' are some of the major concerns. On the external front, the 'concern' is the same as that experienced by any country that pursued a ballistic missile programme of note. Some countries evaded such pressures better than others through active diplomacy and counterespionage, some others didn't.

Not all programmes are transparent, so Bangladesh can pursue a clandestine programme if the people/public were eager to fend off the threat from radical Brahminist terror. Also, well within the confines of so called 'international laws and conventions' (such meaningless treaties as MTCR and so on), Bangladesh could purchase cruise missiles like Black Shaheen, Yakhont or C803 for various roles, and also explore the possibility of purchasing SRBM (Short Range Ballistic Missiles) from Russia, China, Iran, Egypt, North Korea or from wherever else we could get favourable deals. Many countries purchased ballistic missiles with ranges of around 300-500 kilometres without raising any 'eyebrows', so to speak, in those quarters that like to poke their nose in every country's affairs.

Once the 'groundwork' has been laid, more experience, (hopefully) better economy, greater scientific output backed by a supportive population could allow Bangladesh to gradually expand its ballistic missiles programme. The issue of 'secrecy' is overblown in this thread. You do not have to publicize that you have an IRBM/MRBM if you have one, just like Iran always claims that the ranges of almost all of its missiles is 'only 2000/2500' kilometres, we could also say the ranges of all our missiles is 'only 300/500 kilometres' but 'under the table' much more could be pursued.

Of course, such a highly 'optimistic' course can only be realized under a leadership that is loyal to Bangladesh and determined to counter the threat of radical Hindutva terrorism at any costs.

There are multiple other factors that need to be considered, and multiple other ways of procuring SRBMs exist that could lay the ground for enabling BD Military to send its message forcefully anywhere 1200 kilometres away, as an example, a few years or maybe a decade afterwards. It is also true that the Bangladeshi public need to be supportive of such moves and all possible political, mostly Western, moves to try to limit such procurements and developments will have to fully considered before embarking on that path of self-determination.

Edit: It is fine to talk about nuclear weapons, but it is not necessary that every country with a considerable arsenal of ballistic missiles must have nuclear weapons. FAE, chemical, biological or even cluster bomblets, for example, could also be used. This does not mean nuclear weapons can not or must not be pursued, but it's not a 'requirement' for a ballistic missiles programme to be 'successful' or 'useful'.