Mirages being turned into ew ac

[Jango]

Honestly, I wish they would have gone with an EW version of the JF-17B. It already has modern avionics and space for a large ECM set up on the tail.

Although the need for an EW platform might be there or not, it makes more sense to have a JF-17 fulfil that role rather than a Mirage. You plan for the JF to be around for a few decades now, rather than the 1 or max two for the Mirage.

 

[Reichmarshal]

If the air frames have life left in them n this venture is do able then why not...better utilization of the ac then it becoming a gate guardian

 

[arslank03]

Hi,

We already had Mirages as EW aircraft for longtime now---.

must have been a long nap then mastan

 

[FuturePAF]

Although the need for an EW platform might be there or not, it makes more sense to have a JF-17 fulfil that role rather than a Mirage. You plan for the JF to be around for a few decades now, rather than the 1 or max two for the Mirage.

They should let the poor mirages retire with dignity. @MastanKhan and I and others discussed (years ago) the Altas Cheetah upgrades, and came to agree that there is nothing the mirages can do that the JF-17s won’t be able to do. If the PAF wanted to do the cheetah upgrades they had their chance in the early 2000s. At this point, they should just let the mirages retire and replace them with J-10s.

Secondly, yes, we make the JF-17 in house, and plan to operate them for decades to come, while the mirages are on their 5th or 6th decade of life in the PAF.

The JF-17 even has an upgrade plan for the engine; with a 120 kn WS-19 just around the corner, providing more electrical power as well as the thrust to carry heavier pods and munitions.

One factor maybe the nose size; can someone confirm if the nose of the Mirage or the Nose of the JF-17 is larger?

 

[arslank03]

They should let the poor mirages retire with dignity. @MastanKhan and I and others discussed (years ago) the Altas Cheetah upgrades, and came to agree that there is nothing the mirages can do that the JF-17s won’t be able to do. If the PAF wanted to do the cheetah upgrades they had their chance in the early 2000s. At this point, they should just let the mirages retire and replace them with J-10s.

Secondly, yes, we make the JF-17 in house, and plan to operate them for decades to come, while the mirages are on their 5th or 6th decade of life in the PAF.

The JF-17 even has an upgrade plan for the engine; with a 120 kn WS-19 just around the corner, providing more electrical power as well as the thrust to carry heavier pods and munitions.

One factor maybe the nose size; can someone confirm if the nose of the Mirage or the Nose of the JF-17 is larger?

jf-17 larger nose but very low range

 

[FuturePAF]

jf-17 larger nose but very low range

Low range? If the nose is larger the radar can be replaced with a GaN based radar that can perform like a GaA radar of a larger fighter.

 

[arslank03]

Low range? If the nose is larger the radar can be replaced with a GaN based radar that can perform like a GaA radar of a larger fighter.

low range in terms of fuel.

Pak has domestic GaN based radars anyway, thats not the issue, the issue with a jammer JF-17 is it just doesnt have the loiter time

 

[Shabi1]

This guy is claiming that some mirages, whose airframes have some life left in them, are being turned into ew ac with easa radars n all...with chinese help......now if true then that be somthing but then again knowing how much PAF loves these mirages n the current chief is a mirage rider himself, i wouldn't be too suprised.

Don't mind the chaps accent

There are more capable options and assets for the job. Modified business jets have the longer loiter time and internal space to do the job better.

Pakistan's Special mission aircrafts Information Pool

It's not. There is a narrow taxiway to the apron there. Hi looks like PAF got to of them if its appropriate to reveal Thank you

pdf.defence.pk

However PAF should and will likely keep the Mirage flying as long as feasible spares available and this could be why we kept them analogue even though more advanced possibilities like the Mirage IIING (https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=2161) were possible. Its flight handling characteristics aside having one platform that is still analogue and resistant to EMP will always be a handy failsafe since nuclear war is always a possibility with India even if neglecting possible development of EMP weapons.

The soviets had miniature vacuum tubes on Mig-25s for the same purpose and most of the strike aircraft during the cold war were envisioned to be able to operate post nuclear fallout.

 

[MIRauf]

low range in terms of fuel.

Pak has domestic GaN based radars anyway, thats not the issue, the issue with a jammer JF-17 is it just doesnt have the loiter time

vs M-III / V ? in the EW specs the M-III wouldn't come anywhere close to JF-17 in range unless it receives multiple AARs. JF-17 with two inner wing tanks should be able to stay up for easy 90 odd mins if not more while M-III with no fuel tanks ( lack of hardpoints ) will be long bone dry without the AAR.

 

[arslank03]

vs M-III / V ? in the EW specs the M-III wouldn't come anywhere close to JF-17 in range unless it receives multiple AARs. JF-17 with two inner wing tanks should be able to stay up for easy 90 odd mins if not more while M-III with no fuel tanks ( lack of hardpoints ) will be long bone dry without the AAR.

no, not VS anything, just full stop, it's not enough, 90 mins is a very short time, I cant talk comparatively, but large, draggy pods will certainly decrease that further, it's just not the ideal platform or one even remotely suited for it. Id argue that the standoff jammers based off of bizjets are probably a better solution. Remember, the USN uses fighter based OECM because they need to be able to launch from carriers, we dont.

 

[Madafacka Jones]

Pak has domestic GaN based radars anyway, thats not the issue, the issue with a jammer JF-17 is it just doesnt have the loiter time

A bit off-topic here but if you've GaN based radars then why not consider upgrading your entire fleet of non-B52+ F-16s with them? Especially ADFs. Isn't Ozgur basically this.

And if not JF-17, why not J-10 for the EW route? Unless the cost benefit analysis doesn't work out for that.

 

[nahtanbob]

Because you are an idiot


Bull $hit. As long as the Indians are flying the Jags, Mirages are viable. You can take your Youthia/Randian narrative and push it up your a$$.

Indian Air Force is flying Mirage-2000 which are 20 years newer than Pakistani air force Mirage III and Mirage-5

 

[arslank03]

A bit off-topic here but if you've GaN based radars then why not consider upgrading your entire fleet of non-B52+ F-16s with them? Especially ADFs. Isn't Ozgur basically this.

And if not JF-17, why not J-10 for the EW route? Unless the cost benefit analysis doesn't work out for that.

A bit off-topic here but if you've GaN based radars then why not consider upgrading your entire fleet of non-B52+ F-16s with them? Especially ADFs. Isn't Ozgur basically this.

the US will just say no. But, the PAF will likely upgrade JF-17s with this, you can find my posts on a 'block 4'.

J-10EW would basically mean the PAF would bear all of the costs associated with it. Development of a J-10CS, then development of the equipment, all certification testing etc, especially as the PLAAF has no need for such a plane, but nor do we to be honest. PAF is just fine with large soj's.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Indian Air Force is flying Mirage-2000 which are 20 years newer than Pakistani air force Mirage III and Mirage-5

Your jags is almost old as our mirages

 

[siegecrossbow]

You can’t generate enough power for EW using a Mirage. People underestimate how power hungry the system can be.