Mirage 2000-5 vs F16 Block 50+ Dogfight

[blain2]

Oh is that why the only time these two had a dogfight it was the F-16 that was blown to smithereens??

The TuAF F-16 was on a training sortie, unarmed.

This game of mock dog-fighting had been going on for a while and when they met again, the Greeks fired in anger (something that had never been done before). In response, the entire Turkish Air Force sqn had to be relocated out of the region because they were out for blood and there would have been a major conflict had this not happened. Otherwise the Turks have had more than their fair share of mock victories over the HAF.

The Greeks themselves have commented that while Mirage-2000 is a good aircraft in certain missions, they like their F-16s better (resulting in a follow-up order of only the F-16 by the HAF).

This is not to say that the Mirage-2000 is not a good aircraft. Its an excellent platform and our Mirage ROSE aircraft would have a very tough time staying in the game with a Mirage 2000 if for nothing else than the TWR difference between the two platforms. As it is, the older Mirage is not a great dog-fighter but an excellent strike platform.

All those claiming Mirage 2000-MK-xx is superior to the F-16 should understand something basic. The variants of Mirage are customized orders for individual customers. There is no standard block with the Mirage 2000 and although they have talked about the dash 5 and dash 9 standards, in both cases, end-users funded the upgrades resulting in vastly different outcomes in terms of capabilities etc. So comparing something like a Mk-3 is a misnomer because it does not exist currently. Maybe when it becomes available, it would have capabilities that exceed that of the then F-16 block, but the point is that there is nothing like that in the works. Even the IAF ones will have capabilities in the league of the blk52s.

Many do not consider Mirage 2000 a true MR platform for various reasons. F-16 does not have this reputation.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

aerial combat is way too subjective. one has to look at the air situation and type of combat. also experience levels of competing pilots need to be lept in mind. just because mirage 2000 downs f-16 or vice versa doesnt make them a better plane as compared to other.

also i wanna tell one thing. u might be very good top gun but some times its just not your day.

by the way, jus to prove my point, in a 1 vs 2 battle, if the lone pilot manages to evade the other two for quite long then he is victorious he may not have got the kill but he sure is victorious.

 

[Jigs]

Oh is that why the only time these two had a dogfight it was the F-16 that was blown to smithereens??

Hey show some respect we do not fly armed sorties in the Aegean to avoid conflict and Greece still does. I find it pretty funny your arguing with a guy who has flown military fighter aircraft.

 

[prototype]

Given equal pilots in equal circumstances, the F-16 will win.

This is the lamest reason i ever heard,o first u claim that F-16 is untouchable then u claim its all about equal pilots,then how did u reached the conclusion at first that f-16 is untouchable,given rookies fly this crafts

and by the way what is the measure of equal pilots on a given day,what is the conversion factor[/QUOTE]

If a WW2 private with a sniper rifle kills an enemy Field Marshall, does that make him the superior soldier?

Circumstances...

ya,may b he is not superior,but all life u train for this day,and at the end of the day u dont survive that day,that also never make u superior

 

[WAQAS119]

That is a very stupid thing to say.
Equal pilot? Whats that? and how do u come to that conclusion?
Just because F16 is american doesn't make it perfect.

Hey! Chogy is an Ex F15 pilot! And he has often told his experience against f-16 so please talk humbly! He is our one of the most respected Members!

 

[Dash]

Hi chogy. In layman terms we can say that f-16 was USAF low end fighter and was initially designed to be the work horse:where mirage was the top end fighter for France. Now for a base line comparision I can say that LCA/JF-17 are superior to J-10/Flankers. What basis are we saying that f-16s are superior?

 

[Dash]

Hi chogy. In layman terms we can say that f-16 was USAF low end fighter and was initially designed to be the work horse:where mirage was the top end fighter for France. Now for a base line comparision I can say that LCA/JF-17 are superior to J-10/Flankers. What basis are we saying that f-16s are superior?

 

[SEAL]

That is a very stupid thing to say.
Equal pilot? Whats that? and how do u come to that conclusion?
Just because F16 is american doesn't make it perfect.

You were banned 4 times from PDF before this is your 5th chance and i am not seeing any change in your behavior.

 

[typhoon77]

All those claiming Mirage 2000-MK-xx is superior to the F-16 should understand something basic. The variants of Mirage are customized orders for individual customers. There is no standard block with the Mirage 2000 and although they have talked about the dash 5 and dash 9 standards, in both cases, end-users funded the upgrades resulting in vastly different outcomes in terms of capabilities etc. So comparing something like a Mk-3 is a misnomer because it does not exist currently. Maybe when it becomes available, it would have capabilities that exceed that of the then F-16 block, but the point is that there is nothing like that in the works. Even the IAF ones will have capabilities in the league of the blk52s.

Many do not consider Mirage 2000 a true MR platform for various reasons. F-16 does not have this reputation.

Not necessarily, all of the exported Mirages are basically variants of Frances Mirage 2000C/D. They are not that customized. The Mirage-2000 has standard blocks the Mirage2000-5 and the M2000-5 mk II. France funded both of the variants, they are extensive upgrades. With regards to the dash-9 variant the UAE to my knowledge only funded the additional upgrades it wanted it, didn't foot the bill for the whole thing. I think they just wanted upgraded EWS and additional radar modes, integration of the Black Saheen.
The F-16 doesn't have extensively customized variants b/c the US isn't willing to do that for any customer. Israel is a different case all together. Countries got what the US was willing to offer, France offered the countries whatever they wanted/could afford.
The IAF mirages when upgrades could potentially be better than the blk 52's. The full details of the upgrade aren't clear, it could borrow a lot tech from the Rafale program. They are also going to be used in different roles compared to the F-16's so its not fair to compare the two directly.

 

[jagjitnatt]

Hey! Chogy is an Ex F15 pilot! And he has often told his experience against f-16 so please talk humbly! He is our one of the most respected Members!

We're all strangers, just keyboard warriors. You can't tell who I am. You can only believe what I say. So there's no way to say for certain who Chogy is.

I speak what I feel like. He gave a lame excuse, and I called it lame. Simple as that.

 

[JonAsad]

Pakistan and India should have dog fights like this, ofcourse without any live ammunition.

It will be a good way to understand each other capababilities.

 

[Kinetic]

No doubt..

Mirage is nt even near to f-16..

Our jf-17 can take care of Mirages 2000.

That means you know nothing.

In terms of maneuverability and over all performance Mirage-2005 is better than F-16 block 50. Though F-16 also has good chance. But the Mirage-2009 or later versions would be more deadly.

 

[Kinetic]

Pakistan and India should have dog fights like this, ofcourse without any live ammunition.

It will be a good way to understand each other capababilities.

Than the SU-30MKIs will take down all the aircrafts within few minutes. It can shoot from any angle and have unlimited angle of attack!

 

[JonAsad]

Than the SU-30MKIs will take down all the aircrafts within few minutes. It can shoot from any angle and have unlimited angle of attack!

Kinetic.. read my post again, this time with glasses.

I said without live ammunition

SU-30 can even take a F22 down if the F22 is Pakistani.. isnt it? :facepalm:

 

[jagjitnatt]

Pakistan and India should have dog fights like this, ofcourse without any live ammunition.

It will be a good way to understand each other capababilities.

Nice idea. Would be great.
But just one problem. We don't want to understand each other's capabilities.