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Cute that you believe Iran and Hezbollah stand a change against the US and her allies. Just so you know, I am opposed to US military intervention in Syria but at the same time I want the people responsible for the chemical attacks to pay.
The Russians would never, ever agree that one of their allies pay for a crime he or she committed. If you're interested in security, however, I imagine the Russians might agree to U.N. armed intervention to remove all chemical weapons from Syria. The Chinese would likely go along with that, too.

For more than that, however, you'll have to go outside the U.N. Since the Arabs outside Syria won't risk their own skins, that leaves the U.S. and its allies.
 


A bit of doomporn from back in 2012 , i wonder if Russians actually have as many forces down there as said in the news video?
 
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The Russians would never, ever agree that one of their allies pay for a crime he or she committed. If you're interested in security, however, I imagine the Russians might agree to U.N. armed intervention to remove all chemical weapons from Syria. The Chinese would likely go along with that, too.

As if US gave a sh!t about the crimes of her former ally Saddam in Iraq and Iran, the land-grabbers in Palestine, and the dictators in Bahrain.
 
As if US gave a sh!t about the crimes of her former ally Saddam in Iraq and Iran, the land-grabbers in Palestine, and the dictators in Bahrain.
You're not responsible for the distortions you were taught; however, the Internet can be used to open new vistas and demolish popular myths. I suggest you use it appropriately.
 
You're not responsible for the distortions you were taught; however, the Internet can be used to open new vistas and demolish popular myths. I suggest you use it appropriately.

Out of curiosity, can you tell me which part was "myth" exactly? I'd love to know.
 
This is the stuff you should take the time and effort to sort out yourself.

I tried, and couldn't find any myth there. US has officially supported Saddam and the Bahraini dictators to name a few. Sad, but truth.
 
I tried, and couldn't find any myth there. US has officially supported Saddam and the Bahraini dictators to name a few. Sad, but truth.
I'm not sure about Bahrain, but past "official support" for Saddam doesn't imply the U.S. didn't "give a sh!t" about his crimes - especially since it was U.S. troops who captured and imprisoned him for the Iraqis to prosecute and and eventually execute.
 
I'm not sure about Bahrain, but past "official support" for Saddam doesn't imply the U.S. didn't "give a sh!t" about his crimes - especially since it was U.S. troops who captured and imprisoned him for the Iraqis to prosecute and and eventually execute.

Of course it does. US directly aided Iraq to use chemical weapons and do one of the most horrible crimes in history. "it was U.S. troops who captured and imprisoned him for the Iraqis to prosecute and and eventually execute." -- the fact that Iraq was in your list of "Terror States" before Iran-Iraq war and you supported it during the Iran-Iraq war and it again became the foe after the war and was imprisoned by US after that only proves the American hypocrisy.

Forget Saddam, look what you are doing know; here are a few revealed crimes by your allied rebels:

UN Official, Syrian Rebels Used Sarin Nerve Gas, Not Assad

BBC News - UN's Del Ponte says evidence Syria rebels 'used sarin'

Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times

Note the hypocrisy of US about chemical weapons when it comes to her allies and not giving a sh!t about that.
 
I'm not sure about Bahrain, but past "official support" for Saddam doesn't imply the U.S. didn't "give a sh!t" about his crimes - especially since it was U.S. troops who captured and imprisoned him for the Iraqis to prosecute and and eventually execute.
Yeah, you didn't care about his crimes as long as he was 'following' your interests. Would you please cut this moral speech? It's really really awkward. Here is a declassified document by CIA, it was released only few days ago:


US Gave Saddam green light to use Chemical Weapons against Iran

U.S troops captured Saddam because the lapdog wasn't following its master anymore after 1991.
 
Threats of war against Syria show West failures: Iranian Lawmaker

An Iranian lawmaker says the recent threats of military intervention in Syria are due to the West’s “failure” in ousting the Syrian government after over two years of interference in the country’s internal affairs.


“The Western states and the Zionist regime [of Israel] struggled to overthrow the legitimate Syrian government, but they failed and pursued their goals through [inciting] conflicts and civil war [in Syria],” member of Iran Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee Mehdi Davatgari said on Thursday.

Davatgari further stressed that a potential military action against Syria will reveal “the nature of the West’s failure” in achieving its goals during the months-long crisis in the Arab state, describing such a move as “nothing but incivility and interference in another country’s affairs.”


The Iranian lawmaker also called on the Arab countries to maintain their unity in the face of the Israeli regime’s expansionist policies.

The war rhetoric against Syria intensified after foreign-backed opposition forces accused President Bashar al-Assad’s government of having launched a chemical attack on militant strongholds in the suburbs of Damascus last week.

A number of Western countries, including the US, France, and the UK, were quick to adopt the rhetoric of war against Syria despite the fact that Damascus categorically rejected the claim, and announced later that the chemical attack had actually been carried out by the militants themselves as a false-flag operation.

Iran, among a number of other countries, has warned against the consequences of a military strike against Syria, saying that the fallout from a military action would engulf the entire region.

PressTV - Threats of war against Syria show West failures: Iranian Lawmaker
 
Former top UN official Hans Blix: Even if Assad used chemical weapons, the west has no mandate to act as a global policeman
Hans Blix
The Guardian, Wednesday 28 August 2013 19.43 BST

It is true that the UN security council is not a reliable global policeman. It may be slow to take action, or paralysed because of disagreement between members. But do we want the US or Nato or "alliances of willing states" as global policemen either? Unlike George Bush in 2003, the Obama administration is not trigger-happy and contemptuous of the United Nations and the rules of its charter, which allow the use of armed force only in self-defence or with an authorisation from the security council. Yet Obama, like Bush and Blair, seems ready to ignore the council and order armed strikes on Syria with political support from only the UK, France and some others.

Such action could not be "in self-defence" or "retaliation", as the US, the UK and France have not been attacked.
To punish the Assad government for using chemical weapons would be the action of self-appointed global policemen – action that, in my view, would be very unwise.

While much evidence points to the guilt of the Assad regime, would not due process require that judgment and consideration of action take place in the UN security council and await the report of the inspectors that the UN has sent to Syria – at the demand of the UK and many other UN members?

We may agree with John Kerry, the US secretary of state, that the use of gas is a "moral obscenity", but would we not feel that "a measured and proportionate punishment", like striking at some missile sites or helicopter bases, is like telling the regime that "you can go on with your war but do stay away from the chemical weapons"? And what is the moral weight of the condemnation by nuclear weapons states of the use of gas as a serious war crime when they themselves will not accept a norm that would criminalise any first use of their own nuclear weapons?

It is hard to avoid the impression that the political and military developments now in overdrive stem partly from pressure exerted by the rebel side to trigger an American military intervention – by trying to hold President Obama to an earlier warning to Assad that a use of chemical weapons would alter his calculation. Equally, if not more important, may be a need felt by the Obama administration to avoid criticism for being hesitant and passive – and appearing like a paper tiger to countries such as Iran that have been warned that the US will not allow them to have nuclear weapons.

In 2003 the US and the UK and an alliance of "friendly states" invaded Iraq without the authorisation of the security council. A strong body of world opinion felt that this constituted a violation and an undermining of the UN charter. A quick punitive action in Syria today without UN authorisation would be another precedent, suggesting that great military powers can intervene militarily when they feel politically impelled to do so. (They did not intervene when Iraq used chemical weapons on a large scale in the war with Iran in the 1980s.)

So, what should the world reaction be to the use of chemical weapons? Clearly, evidence available – both from UN inspectors and from member states – should be placed before and judged by the security council. Even if the council could only conclude that chemical weapons had been used – and could not agree that the Assad regime alone was responsible – there would be a good chance of unanimous world condemnation. Global indignation about the use of chemical weapons is of value to strengthen the taboo.

Condemnation is not enough. With 100,000 killed and millions of refugees, the civil war itself is a "moral obscenity". The council must seek to achieve not just an end to chemical weapons use but an end to all weapons use, by a ceasefire. As was planned not long ago by the US and Russia, the council must seek to bring about a conference at which relevant parties and states can form an interim authority. The alternative is continued civil war in Syria and worsening international relations.

Is the ending of active hostilities totally unrealistic? Let us be clear that the government in Syria, as well as all rebel groups, depends upon a flow of weapons, munitions and money from the outside. Much is reported to come to the rebels from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey; and much is reported to come to the government from Russia and Iran. The supplier countries have leverage. Agreement should be sought, under the auspices of the security council, that all parties that have given such support demand that their clients accept a ceasefire – or risk losing further support.

Even if Assad used chemical weapons, the west has no mandate to act as a global policeman | Hans Blix | Comment is free | The Guardian
 
Yeah, you didn't care about his crimes as long as he was 'following' your interests. Would you please cut this moral speech? It's really really awkward. Here is a declassified document by CIA, it was released only few days ago:


US Gave Saddam green light to use Chemical Weapons against Iran

U.S troops captured Saddam because the lapdog wasn't following its master anymore after 1991.
Neither did Iran in the same war...

Israeli support for Iran during the Iran
Israeli support for Iran during the Iran-Iraq War refers to clandestine support of Iran provided by Israel during the Iran–Iraq War.
 
Of course it does. US directly aided Iraq to use chemical weapons and do one of the most horrible crimes in history.
You should actually read your source in detail instead of just reading the headline.

You source said that the US knew that Iraq was going to use and eventually did know that Iraq use chemical weapons. To 'directly aided' as you charged would mean we would have a direct, or even 2nd degree away, from providing materials, transport, or even manpower to develop and deliver those chemical weapons.
 
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