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dabong1, thanks for your patience. Here is my reply.
Thanks for at least taking the time to read the post.
No problem it was the least I could do, given how much time you had spent on it and how clearly well written it was.
I was being kashmir specific and showing how the state was involved in the killings and it was not just spontaneous riots.
I am not blind that i dont not recognize that muslim also committed killings against hindus during the partition but the kashmir issue is slightly different......the partition killings where done by the mob and where overall not backed by the state which was not the case in kashmir.
Thanks. And ok, I am all ears.
The 1947 carnage left several Muslim majority populated villages in Jammu district alone totally Hindu or Sikh populated. In Jammu district alone, which is a part of the larger Jammu province, Muslims numbered 158,630 and comprised 37 per cent of the total population of 428,719 in the year 1941. In the year 1961, Muslims numbered only 51,693 and comprised only 10 per cent of the total population of 516,932. The decrease in the number of Muslims in Jammu district alone was over 100,000. That there was a design to change the demographics.
dabong, do you have a neutral source for this contention? This is very disturbing data.
After a few hours spent online (based on what you and the poster before you wrote) I know that the information exists, but I am trying to get a neutral opinion. I know that Ilyas Chattha has done work on the subject- I cam across a paper of his which I cannot trace at the moment- but he is not neutral either (IMO). Does anyone have the original UK newspaper articles mentioned substantiate this, or UN reports, etc?
Where do i mention "kaffirs" or go on about "Islamic virtue"?
You did not. I unfairly characterized your opinion as such. My apologies for putting words in your mouth.
I for one have never said that muslims carried out no killings-rapes-robberies during the partition and it was just hindus.....am not delusional.
Got it.
But thats not the point,the point is about kashmir and how most indians do not know anything about the killings carried out by the Dogra army
If true this is most disturbing. I do not reject what you’re saying out of hand, only ask for help to research this further to arrive at my own independent conclusion. But I will say that based on my preliminary readings this came as a great shock to me. It could be that they just erased this inconvenient part of our history. We’ll see.
and how the indian army crossed into kashmir before a single pak army-tribesman croosed into kashmir to help the kashmir forces near poonch.
This is where our narratives may diverge. I am not sure at all whether this happened in the order you describe it. In fact, IMO the opposite happened. I suggest to you that in this case, your historians may not be speaking the complete truth.
Its a bit like me not mentioning anything about OBL and 9-11 and starting the story from "US INVADES AFGHANISTAN"..........you guys love to leave out the back story and start from a point that makes you look like the good guys.
True- we Indians are pompous and hypocritical! Everything worth creating was created in India first! We are holier-than-thou
But I still don’t believe the IA crossed into Kashmir first.
Am taking you probably didnt know about the dogra murders
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I am not quoting the rest of your post as I think I have answered those points previously. This one though- yeah, I definitely did not know about this and would like to know more. If it is true, then more Indians should know about it.
By the way thanks for your patience and desire to engage in a civil manner.
