Mike Pence 'We rebuilt China over the last 25 years'

[SuvarnaTeja]

You must be very bad at history，Check what happened after 1989，not only they sactioned us ，all other western allies were asked to stop any cooperation with china including funding from IMF

Stopped all cooperation with China? You must be joking.

• US-China economic cooperation continued
• EU-China defense and economic relations continue
• China became member of WTO in 2001

I have not seen any crippling sanctions on China like they were imposed on NK, Iran, Iraq etc.

WTO was the watershed

Of course WTO was the watershed moment but all the pieces of the puzzle were already in place due to the outsourcing policy that started in the 1980s. Due to this China was able to take full advantage of its WTO membership.

 

[q12093487q]

Stopped all cooperation with China? You must be joking.

• US-China economic cooperation continued
• EU-China defense and economic relations continue
• China became member of WTO in 2001

I have not seen any crippling sanctions on China like they were imposed on NK, Iran, Iraq etc.

Read this if you understand chinese，or use Google translation

1989年春夏之交，北京和其他一些城市发生政治风波。平息这场风波本属于中国内政，但却遭到以美国为首的西方势力的攻击和制裁。一些西方国家不顾事实，不顾公认的国际关系准则，对纯属中国内政的事情横加指责，并对中国进行制裁，多方施加压力，在世界上掀起反华浪潮。中国政府从维护国家主权和民族尊严出发，采取正确的外交战略方针和政策，逐步打破西方制裁，令国际社会刮目相看。

一、平息风波，引发制裁

政治风波发生之后，中国面临生死攸关的局面。为防止事态进一步恶化，中共中央、国务院采取断然措施，坚决制止了其进一步蔓延，国内政治危机解除。然而，这却引起美国等西方国家的围攻。他们以保护所谓“人权”为借口，无理指责我国政府平息政治风波的正确措施，联合对我国实施经济制裁。

6月5日，美国总统布什发表声明，对中国局势进行指责，并宣布采取暂停中美政府间一切军售和商业性武器出口、暂停中美两国军事领导人之间的互访、重新研究中国留美学生要延长逗留时间的请求等五项制裁措施。随后，美国又采取了一系列不友好举动：美国国务卿贝克致函美国司法部长，建议“准许”所有旅居美国的中国公民在其签证到期后继续留在美国，而不改变其身份；美国国务院责成驻中国使馆和总领事馆放宽对去美国的中国公民的签证限制；美国国防部要求格鲁曼飞机公司驱逐在该公司工作的40名中国工程技术人员，中断了中美双方签署的一项改良中国战斗机的5亿美元的合同等等。6月20日,美国白宫发言人又宣布了布什采取的新的制裁措施，包括暂停同中国一切高级政府官员互访、美国将力求推迟考虑国际金融机构向中国提供新的贷款。6月29日和7月4日，美国国会众议院和参议院先后通过制裁中国的修正案，肆意歪曲中国制止动乱和平息反革命暴乱的事实真相，毫无根据地污蔑和攻击中国政府，并提出一系列对中国的制裁措施。7月14日至16日，在参加西方七国首脑会议期间，美国政府又策划会议发表政治宣言，宣称要中止对华高层政治接，延缓世界银行的贷款，取消对华贸易的最惠国待遇。至此，对华制裁达到高潮。

除了美国之外，先后有20多个发达国家参与了对我国的制裁。欧共体国家宣布禁止对华销售武器，推迟新的官方出口信贷和经济开发项目。日本政府停止了两国之间部长级以上的高层往来和一些合作项目，推迟原定于秋季开始的第三批日元贷款谈判。另外，一些受美国影响的国际组织也采取了相应行动。世界银行停止了向中国提供7.8亿美元的贷款，关贸总协定表示该组织已无限期推迟有关中国申请加入的讨论。

经济制裁给中国经济发展造成了巨大障碍。中国在世界市场上获得中长期贷款的渠道被关闭，来华外国投资减少75%。据对外经济贸易部1989年10月公布的数据显示，自经济制裁以来，约有100亿美元的贷款被搁置。资金的不足，导致相关建设项目进展受阻。同时，由于海外订单的大幅取消，中国国内面向国际市场生产的产品大量积压。国家统计局的统计年报显示，国民生产总值增长率由1988年的11%下降为1989年的3.9%；进出口增长率由1988年的38%下降为1989年的8.6%，1990年为3.3%；外商直接投资增长率从1988年的13.1%下降到1989年的6.2%，1990年为2.8%。[ 上述数据转引自阮建平：《战后美国对外经济制裁》，武汉大学出版社2009年版，第278—279页。]外交工作遭遇严峻挑战，中国面临被排除在国际社会之外的危险。

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

I guess cause they have nothing else to say. so during the last 25 years, it was not the hard working Chinese people built China, it was Americans did.

World war 3 will happen if he ever becomes president

 

[haidian]

I have not seen any crippling sanctions on China like they were imposed on NK, Iran, Iraq etc.
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No sanctions doesn't mean they built China. How many countries US didn't sanction, does it mean the US built all of them? Did US impose crippling sanctions against India?

 

[rambro]

Stopped all cooperation with China? You must be joking.

• US-China economic cooperation continued
• EU-China defense and economic relations continue
• China became member of WTO in 2001

I have not seen any crippling sanctions on China like they were imposed on NK, Iran, Iraq etc.



Of course WTO was the watershed moment but all the pieces of the puzzle were already in place due to the outsourcing policy that started in the 1980s. Due to this China was able to take full advantage of its WTO membership.

China has been subjected to containment for decades.

Resilience, sound policies, nationalism, perseverence, hard work comes to mind as to why they have not been crippled.

They are not as divided too like other countries which opens wide to western regime intervention.

It was US own decision to open companies there, hoping for low cost and a massive market which backfired. Did they not send service to india and manufacturing to mexico as well?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

No sanctions doesn't mean they built China. How many countries US didn't sanction, does it mean the US built all of them? Did US impose crippling sanctions against India?

Lack of sanctions does not mean that the US has supported the growth of the country. But it does mean that it did not stifle the economic infusion that was already taking place. It did not rock the apple cart that was already being loaded.

US has been supporting the economic growth of many countries which includes major beneficiaries like Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea ASEAN and India

Japanese economy was initially built by the US through import of Electronics & Cars but as US diversified it imports to China, ASEAN and South Korea, Japanese economy stagnated since the 1990s.

Japan is the perfect example on how US has helped built the economy of the country but was later responsible for the stagnation of the economy.

US has also been building Indian economy since the last 15 years through software/services exports but India has been the last to join this party and most pieces of the pie have already been consumed by the others making it difficult for India to catch up.

China has been subjected to containment for decades.

Resilience, sound policies, nationalism, perseverence, hard work comes to mind as to why they have not been crippled.

They are not as divided too like other countries which opens wide to western regime intervention.

It was US own decision to open companies there, hoping for low cost and a massive market which backfired. Did they not send service to india and manufacturing to mexico as well?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mike...the-last-25-years.581550/page-4#post-10859932

Read my post above.

 

[Beast]

Where did China send all the cheap shit they produced?

EU and USA. It was EU and US corporations who lifted China out of its poverty.

This is over now. We now play on equal ground and tax chinese products in the way that the price is fair. The Eu also started to put tariffs on chinese products.

It is Chinese low pricing goods that help Western world curb inflation. Without Chinese goods, western world will be throw into chaos and violent over rising goods which is beyond the reach of ordinary. Westerner shall thank China for helping them.

For Chinese haters, even the computer or smartphone which you try type nonsense to spew nonsense is made in China. If you are not happy, you can switch it off and try find a gadget which has totally no made in China component. I know haters will be selective in their statement.

 

[haidian]

Lack of sanctions does not mean that the US has supported the growth of the country. But it does mean that it did not stifle the economic infusion that was already taking place. It did not rock the apple cart that was already being loaded.

US has been supporting the economic growth of many countries which includes major beneficiaries like Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea ASEAN and India

Japanese economy was initially built by the US through import of Electronics & Cars but as US diversified it imports to China, ASEAN and South Korea, Japanese economy stagnated since the 1990s.

Japan is the perfect example on how US has helped built the economy of the country but was later responsible for the stagnation of the economy.

US has also been building Indian economy since the last 15 years through software/services exports but India has been the last to join this party and most pieces of the pie have already been consumed by the others making it difficult for India to catch up.

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Japan is occupied by US and became a US slave which China never was. Only stuck up Americans believe that no sanction means help, if that is the case who built US？

 

[Tiberius]

Lol who put a gun to your head and asked you to buy it? A man who's biggest national export is Fiat and Alpha Romeo shouldn't be talking about the quality of manufacturing.

You have a problem with Ferrari?

 

[PakSword]

Where did China send all the cheap shit they produced?

EU and USA. It was EU and US corporations who lifted China out of its poverty.

This is over now. We now play on equal ground and tax chinese products in the way that the price is fair. The Eu also started to put tariffs on chinese products.

Where does EU sends its over prices cars? To GCC.. it means GCC has supported you all along..

Anyway.. Italy is a non entity.. a country full of thieves..

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Japan is occupied by US and became a US slave which China never was. Only stuck up Americans believe that no sanction means help, if that is the case who built US？

No Santions = No Restrictions on growing the economy

Manufacturing Outsourcing = Building the Economy of the country

China received both these benefits from the US. That is an indisputable fact.

US was built by the hard working immigrants from around the world but primarily by the European immigrants.

 

[fallstuff]

Pence is talking to the domestic audience.

All these moves by Trump is little too late. This should have been done by U.S at least 10 years ago when these tariff possibly could have a devastating affect on the smaller Chinese economy. Chinese economy is pretty much self sustaining now, these moves may give a China a cold , but not the Pneumonia Trump is hoping for.

 

[haidian]

No Santions = No Restrictions on growing the economy

Manufacturing Outsourcing = Building the Economy of the country

China received both these benefits from the US. That is an indisputable fact.

US was built by the hard working immigrants from around the world but primarily by the European immigrants.

China's trade with the world benefits many nations, but we never take the credit of rebuilding those countries. US can use the same logic to have a bigger claim, just say they rebuilt the world, China is too small for them to claim.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

China's trade with the world benefits many nations, but we never take the credit of rebuilding those countries. US can use the same logic to have a bigger claim, just say they rebuilt the world, China is too small for them to claim.

China has the biggest pie when came to trading with the US. So the claim is based on that. China could also claim that you built the 1% of the US by exporting cheap goods.

 

[Michael Corleone]

absolutely!
And I like your profile photo.

thanks!