Mig-29 – New Striker for Indian Air force

[axisofevil]

Looks like Su-30 MKI....we should ve went for the F-35 or 22..an effective platform for the only truly effective force of the Indian military..

 

[Kinetic]

I am sorry i misread....i was in hurry...
but anyway the info about aesa might be for help....can you tell me about the range of CAESAR ???

Here is some info... CAESAR looks best along with American and PAK FA radars.

Estimated characteristics of the Western fighter radars are following (from an internet source):

A. Style of antenna:
1. APG-63V3/V4: AESA, 1,500 T/R
2. APG-77: AESA, 2,000 T/R
3. APG-79: AESA, 1,100 T/R
4. APG-80: AESA, 1,000 T/R
5. APG-81: AESA, 1,200+ T/R
6. CAPTOR: Mechanic
7. CAESAR: AESA, 1,200~1,500+ T/R
8. RBE-2: PESA
9. RBE-2AA: AESA, 1,000~1,200 T/R
10. PS-05A: Mechanic
11. NOAR: AESA, 1,000 T/R

B. Effective tracking range for RCS = 1 m2 target
1. APG-63V3/V4: 144~185 km
2. APG-77: 200~230 km
3. APG-79: 120~130 km
4. APG-80: 110~120 km
5. APG-81: 140~160 km+
6. CAPTOR: 110~125 km
7. CAESAR: 165~220 km
8. RBE-2: 65~80 km
9. RBE-2AA: 110~130 km
10. PS-05A: 50~60 km
11. NOAR: 100~120 km+

C. Horizontal tracking angles
1. APG-63V3/V4: +/- 60 degrees
2. APG-77: +/- 60 degrees (May equip conformal lateral AESA in the future)
3. APG-79: +/- 60 degrees
4. APG-80: +/- 60 degrees
5. APG-81: +/- 60 degrees (May equip conformal lateral AESA in the future)
6. CAPTOR: +/- 70 degrees
7. CAESAR: +/- 60 degrees ~ +/- 100~110 degrees
8. RBE-2: +/- 60 degrees
9. RBE-2AA: +/- 70 degrees
10. PS-05A: +/- 60 degrees
11. NOAR: +/- 100~110 degrees

D. Target number of TWS at the same time:
1. APG-63V3/V4: > 20 targets
2. APG-77: 100 targets
3. APG-79: > 20 targets
4. APG-80: 20 (now) ~ 50 (potential in the future) targets
5. APG-81: unknown
6. CAPTOR: 20 targets
7. CAESAR: unknown
8. RBE-2: 40 targets
9. RBE-2AA: unknown
10. PS-05A: 14 targets
11. NOAR: unknown

E. Performing A-A and A-G modes at the same time:
1. APG-63V3/V4: Yes
2. APG-77: Yes
3. APG-79: Yes
4. APG-80: Yes
5. APG-81: Yes
6. CAPTOR: Perhaps
7. CAESAR: Yes
8. RBE-2: Yes
9. RBE-2AA: Yes
10. PS-05A: No
11. NOAR: Yes

F. LPI capability:
1. APG-63V3/V4: Yes
2. APG-77: Yes
3. APG-79: Yes
4. APG-80: Yes
5. APG-81: Yes
6. CAPTOR: No
7. CAESAR: Yes
8. RBE-2: Yes
9. RBE-2AA: Yes
10. PS-05A: No
11. NOAR: Yes

G. High speed capability of Data-link/communication:
1. APG-63V3/V4: Perhaps
2. APG-77: Yes
3. APG-79: Yes
4. APG-80: No
5. APG-81: Yes
6. CAPTOR: No
7. CAESAR: Perhaps
8. RBE-2: No
9. RBE-2AA: No
10. PS-05A: No
11. NOAR: Perhaps

H. Advanced functions for Microwave-weapon / CPU virus spreader/ Net-Hacker:
1. APG-63V3/V4: Perhaps
2. APG-77: Yes
3. APG-79: Yes
4. APG-80: No
5. APG-81: Yes
6. CAPTOR: No
7. CAESAR: Perhaps
8. RBE-2: No
9. RBE-2AA: No
10. PS-05A: No
11. NOAR: Perhaps

I. MTBF (mean time between failures)
1. APG-63V3/V4: 800~1,000 hrs
2. APG-77: 800~1,000 hrs
3. APG-79: 1000 hrs
4. APG-80: 500~800 hrs
5. APG-81: 2000 hrs+
6. CAPTOR: 194~300 hrs
7. CAESAR: Unknown
8. RBE-2: Unknown
9. RBE-2AA: Unknown
10. PS-05A: 250~300 hrs
11. NOAR: Unknown

Defunct Humanity: AESA radars for fighters. Brief review.

 

[Frank Martin]

Looks like Su-30 MKI....we should ve went for the F-35 or 22..an effective platform for the only truly effective force of the Indian military..

When we have our own 5th gen fighter programme is running with Russia, what is the need for goin to the US? They wont sell F-22 to anybody atleast for now.We dont need the F 35 too..Just Check the MRCA, C17 deal you will find their true colours.

 

[angeldemon_007]

@Kinetic
I also referred to the same page. I wasn't sure about the authenticity of this article. As far as US aesa are concerned, i think the info is correct but rest i don't know, just look at RBE2 aesa also, i heard something different from other members on this forum.

 

[fast]

"So after upgrades, is it enough against PAF F-16 Blk 52 and China's J-10?"

F-16 blk 52 yes but J-10 is still a mystery like most of the chinese weapons.

What make you think the new Mig-29 is better than F-16 Block 52?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What make you think the new Mig-29 is better than F-16 Block 52?

Coz indians operate them...... hile Pakistan operates F-16s.

Aint tht a good reason.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

What make you think the new Mig-29 is better than F-16 Block 52?

Stop twisting his words!!!He said that the SMT's will be "
enough for the Viper C/D" and not superior!!

Coz indians operate them...... hile Pakistan operates F-16s.

Aint tht a good reason.

Hold your horses please!!!

 

[rockstarIN]

Coz indians operate them...... hile Pakistan operates F-16s.

Aint tht a good reason.

Not for sane person..!

 

[Dash]

IAF has 69 operational MiG-29 ,while Russia will be upgrading 6 of this jets in Russia , while the Rest 63 jets will be upgraded locally in HAL facility from the upgrade kits provided by the Russia , HAL will also will be locally producing 120 RD-33 series 3 turbojet engines for the upgraded jets. (AKA RD-93 used in JF 17)

I just dont understand why they always bring HAL into all upgrades. I understand its all about cost and expertise. But these guys are busy in so many things and they dont even have a line up to do it in required time.

Sad business sense. Everyyear there is unspent money going back to MOD but they are upto saving cost.

 

[Dash]

That is the fun of Russian radars! lol There is no modern fighter aircraft with such RCS. Even the upgraded Mig-29 has far lower RCS.

Su30 MKI?-)

 

[Kinetic]

@Kinetic
I also referred to the same page. I wasn't sure about the authenticity of this article. As far as US aesa are concerned, i think the info is correct but rest i don't know, just look at RBE2 aesa also, i heard something different from other members on this forum.

I think most of the info are correct. What is that about RBE2 AA?

 

[Kinetic]

What make you think the new Mig-29 is better than F-16 Block 52?

I didn't say they are better but 'enough'. The new Mig-29 can effectively neutralize PAF F-16 block 52.

Coz indians operate them...... hile Pakistan operates F-16s.

Aint tht a good reason.

This type of logic can only come from you. Nothing new. Many claimed this before and someone even made such logic of being better pilot in his signature. lol

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

What make you think the new Mig-29 is better than F-16 Block 52?

Capability.The only are where blk 52 wins is payload.

 

[Dash]

Capability.The only are where blk 52 wins is payload.

I guess, the real comparision is not accurate. F-16s were single engined strike fighters, however Mig-29 was designed for dogfights and thats why their A2G abilty was low.

Mig 29 was designed to counter F-16s, where Migs will try to counter F-16 and bring it down, it was a interceptor dogfighter.
looking at these calculation, even if F-16 is better than Mig-29s, but Mig has better aerodynamics and can bring F-16s down.

This was Russia's primary motif to design a fighter which can counter F-16. This itself is a comparision.

 

[GORKHALI]

shame on you rats....Pakistanis are making its equal the JF-17 in their own production lines and u buying that from putin

Shame on ya mate !! Militia shot down your mig 23 and su 24 with AA guns like turkey hunting festival