Mig 29 bought for BAF?

[Roybot]

Nope there are several differences

Only minor, thats why I said SMT level

Both SMT and UPG have same engine, same radar, same cockpit, same arms package, same structural changes to the spine of the plane for extra fuel.

IAF Mig-29UPG

RuAF Mig-29SMT

 

[alaungphaya]

Anyway, here is an interesting link.

China Defense Blog: "Commercialization" of the FC-1 Fighter.

 

[alaungphaya]

We are the 2nd biggest buyer of Chinese hardware. Don't fall for Indian troll.
If we were not offered then who else will be offered other than Pakistan? We are Chinese ally.

Here's a book for you to take a look at.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5ot9L78p8r4C&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=chinese+arms+exports+recipients&source=bl&ots=iy1OKJDSYZ&sig=1MbxZd_vIHBtPHLcmzYHr1Kl4xU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BkT4T86iO4vb8gO9itm-Bw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=chinese%20arms%20exports%20recipients&f=false

 

[Zabaniyah]

Doesn't say about MiG-29s. Title just says 'modern warplanes'. Here it goes:

Modern war planes on purchase list

The government is purchasing modern war planes and helicopters for air force and working to install an overhaul plant for war planes to modernise the force, the finance minister disclosed yesterday in parliament.

Short-range land to air missiles and portable fuel storage bladders have been collected for the air force, said AMA Muhith while presenting the proposed budget for 2012-13 fiscal year.

He also mentioned that for the first time in history, sophisticated military weapons including MBT-2000 tanks, self-propelled guns, weapons locating radar, armoured personnel carriers (APC), and armoured recovery vehicles and helicopters were procured for the armed forces.

"With a view to developing a time-befitting three dimensional naval force, a naval commando force has been formed. Two maritime helicopters have been purchased," he said, adding that naval ship, missile system, large patrol craft, patrol craft and oil tanker were procured for the navy.

He said in parallel with the purchasing of modern weaponry, “the government has taken initiative to upgrade operational capabilities and effectiveness of the three forces through high quality training”.

He proposed to allocate Tk 12, 985 crore for the defence sector in the next fiscal which is Tk 851 crore higher than the outgoing year's allocation.

The government is pledge-bound to build up a strong and modern defence force capable of addressing the challenges of the 21st century, Muhith said.

Imbued with the spirit of Liberation War, the minister said with pride that the armed forces were discharging their overseas peace-keeping duties with reputation. “Bangladesh tops the list of countries sending troops to the UN peacekeeping missions,” he said.

As many as 11,000 Bangladeshi peacekeepers are engaged in different missions, Muhith said. In his last year's budget speech, the minister had said that the number was around 9,000 that time.

Muhith said over the last three years, Bangladesh peacekeepers earned a total of Tk 4,430 crore. “This year's foreign exchange earnings from this source is equivalent to Tk 1, 980 crore,” he added.

Modern war planes on purchase list

F-16 Blk 40/42 that are in Excess Storage are in really good shape but they come with a Cost around $40M+ baseline [not 10M-15M], Just look at PAF F-16 procurement you'll understand the huge costs.*

The F-16 was evaluated along with the MiG-29 if I am not mistaken. I doubt if the US would be offering us a decent package. Let alone AMRAAMs.

Instead of getting 12-20 fighters, we would be better off getting 5-6 f35. This will give us an overwhelming edge over the Burmese, regardless of what kind of Chinese or Russian planes they get.

And for KF-X, we can team up with our brother nation Indonesia and become a future customer.

Do you have any idea how much F-35s cost? Not to mention the massive infrastructure and training? And besides, the US will never offer it to us.

KF-X is still in the drawing board, so no guarantee there.

I don't know what's with all this Myanmarphobia

Brah...

I read in more than one report that China offered us the J-10 along with the J-17 but we went with the MiGs instead so it's not impossible the J-10 being offered to BD. Word is that Chinese domestic made fighters are rubbish. Atleast the ones they sold us. Myanmar airforce pilots truly hate the F/J-7 and that's why the MAF was in a rush to retire half of them.

Those reports are bit dodgy. The government did ask for the J-10. It was likely that the request was declined.
Bangladesh Is Negotiating With China To Get J-10 Fighter_Aircraft ~ ASIAN DEFENSE

Although, we are a candidate for the FC-1. Myanmar is also in the list.

 

[Mosamania]

Only minor, thats why I said SMT level

Both SMT and UPG have same engine, same radar, same cockpit, same arms package, same structural changes to the spine of the plane for extra fuel.

IAF Mig-29UPG

RuAF Mig-29SMT

God I hate this Mikoyan monstrosity...

 

[alaungphaya]

Doesn't say about MiG-29s. Title just says 'modern warplanes'. Here it goes:

Modern war planes on purchase list


The F-16 was evaluated along with the MiG-29 if I am not mistaken. I doubt if the US would be offering us a decent package. Let alone AMRAAMs.



Do you have any idea how much F-35s cost? Not to mention the massive infrastructure and training? And besides, the US will never offer it to us.

KF-X is still in the drawing board, so no guarantee there.

I don't know what's with all this Myanmarphobia

Brah...



Those reports are bit dodgy. The government did ask for the J-10. It was likely that the request was declined.
Bangladesh Is Negotiating With China To Get J-10 Fighter_Aircraft ~ ASIAN DEFENSE

Although, we are a candidate for the FC-1. Myanmar is also in the list.

If China doesn't sell BD the J-10 then it would probably have something to do with India. I don't see what China would lose by selling a stripped down version of its fighter to neighbours. It's not like they're selling their J-11's or the J-20.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Nope there are several differences

Mig-29 UPG upgradation is more intense than Mig-29 SMT.

Some details about Mig-29UPG standard:

Engines RD-33 ser 3 with BARK-88 FADEC and KSU-941UB removed control system.
Radar Zhuk-ME
FLIR KOLS
Sh-3UM-1 Helmet Mounted Integrated Targeting system
Displays’ number - 4
K-36D-3.5 – ejecting chair
BTsVM-90/BTsVM-486-2 – onboard computer
BKTsO Digital signal processor
L-150NU – passive guiding missiles station
A new EW station (not elaborated)
SVR video recording system, KARAT-B whole recording system
BINS-SP navigation system with GPS
A-053 radio-altmeter
MS-2 voice warning system

The weapon: RVV-AE, R-73E, R-27R1/R-27T1, R-27ER1/R-27ET1, Kh-29T/L, Kh-31A/P, Kh-35, KAB-500KR/OD/L, unguided bombs 50-500 kg, S-24B, S-8 unguided rockets.
1500 and 1900 liters dropped fuel tanks

Some third part partners are involved in the contract, like Thales with NSM cryptographic system and CIT identification systems (the contract was signed in 2010, March).

The first fly of MiG-29UPG was occured February 4, 2011 in LII Gromov center, Moscow region.

While Mig-29 SMT is meant for previous generation Mig-29As, which are without fly-by-wire system,without BVR and without any considerable A-G capability.

 

[Zabaniyah]

If China doesn't sell BD the J-10 then it would probably have something to do with India. I don't see what China would lose by selling a stripped down version of its fighter to neighbours. It's not like they're selling their J-11's or the J-20.

Well, Bangladesh is indeed in a tight ship

China does not easily offer us top of the line fighters because of India and USA. F-7s doesn't signify much.

The US barely offer us even the F-16 because of China (although funnily Pakistan operates them).

Now Russia does offer us MiGs, and appear to be willing to offer us Flankers. But at the behest of the Indian lobby at The Kremlin.

Politics of Bangladesh is volatile and corrupt. And of-course, supplying nations would want to have assurances of security behind their technologies.

You get the picture

 

[alaungphaya]

Well, Bangladesh is indeed in a tight ship

China does not easily offer us top of the line fighters because of India and USA. F-7s doesn't signify much.

The US barely offer us even the F-16 because of China (although funnily Pakistan operates them).

Now Russia does offer us MiGs, and appear to be willing to offer us Flankers. But at the behest of the Indian lobby at The Kremlin.

Politics of Bangladesh is volatile and corrupt. And of-course, supplying nations would want to have assurances of security behind their technologies.

You get the picture

The Russians will offer anything to anybody as long as the price is right. Flankers are a very expensive proposition not only in unit cost but maintenance, parts and training. The pilots in MAF actually wanted Flankers rather than Fulcrums but the top brass wouldn't relent. Operating Flankers will be very tricky with a limited budget and no megalomaniac, oil-funded African despots as they are in Uganda and Angola. Anyway, I don't want to get too chauvanistic again but it will be expensive to achieve parity with Myanmar and especially India so there's not too much point in trying. And if BD does achieve parity with us the generals in Naypyidaw will just buy even more arms to stay ahead. I don't think either one of us can afford an arms race.

 

[Armstrong]

Well, Bangladesh is indeed in a tight ship

China does not easily offer us top of the line fighters because of India and USA. F-7s doesn't signify much.

The US barely offer us even the F-16 because of China (although funnily Pakistan operates them).

Now Russia does offer us MiGs, and appear to be willing to offer us Flankers. But at the behest of the Indian lobby at The Kremlin.

Politics of Bangladesh is volatile and corrupt. And of-course, supplying nations would want to have assurances of security behind their technologies.

You get the picture

Yaaar kidhar tumhaaraaa relation China ke saaath kidhaaar hamaaaraaa ?

China isn't going to push the US not to sell anything to Pakistan because it may hurt their own sales !

 

[TopCat]

Well, Bangladesh is indeed in a tight ship

China does not easily offer us top of the line fighters because of India and USA. F-7s doesn't signify much.

The US barely offer us even the F-16 because of China (although funnily Pakistan operates them).

Now Russia does offer us MiGs, and appear to be willing to offer us Flankers. But at the behest of the Indian lobby at The Kremlin.

Politics of Bangladesh is volatile and corrupt. And of-course, supplying nations would want to have assurances of security behind their technologies.

You get the picture

China has not sold any of its J-10 yet. We don't know yet whether they will sell it to BD or not until we see them ready to be exported. As far as I know Lockheed approached BD to sell their F-16.

 

[alaungphaya]

China has not sold any of its J-10 yet. We don't know yet whether they will sell it to BD or not until we see them ready to be exported. As far as I know Lockheed approached BD to sell their F-16.

Do you think the US would sell F-16s to BD if a rightwing islamic party came into power? You don't have the same geo-strategic importance as Pakistan to make it worth it.

 

[Roybot]

God I hate this Mikoyan monstrosity...

Yeah it looks a bit odd from that angle, specially after that additional fuel tank on its spine. Its a beaut otherwise.

 

[TopCat]

Do you think the US would sell F-16s to BD if a rightwing islamic party came into power? You don't have the same geo-strategic importance as Pakistan to make it worth it.

Right wing Islamic political party only have 3% vote in Bangladesh.

 

[alaungphaya]

The MiG-29 is a beautiful plane and is the last of the aerodynamically stable fighter planes to be produced. But that camel hump on the SMT is definitely ugly.