Microsoft’s default font is at the center of a government corruption case

[abp94]

Sir, it was designed in 2002, and the TTF files were available years before the document was written. TTF files were installed directly into Windows for use by all applications. It became part of MS Office distributions much later, but that does not preclude its use prior to that date. Those are facts. An assumption remains just that - an assumption.

http://www.lucasfonts.com/case-studies/calibri-consolas/

Straight from the founder's website
Work on the individual designs began in late 2002. In January 2003, the in-house coordinators and independent designers met at Microsoft’s headquarters. All six Western typefaces in the collection were to be developed simultaneously in three scripts (Latin, Greek and Cyrillic) with the same robust glyph set for all. As the typefaces were intended for text setting, not as display faces, most of them included fewer stylistic alternates and special features than a sophisticated display or script face might. The exception is Luc(as) de Groot’s Calibri, which is suited for both text and display settings, and is exuberant with variants and logotypes and extra characters such as a suite of directional arrows.

Again, the idea of this font being used for financial documents is bonkers. This isn't just some amateur people saying this, but highly respected people who have investigated the matter. Calibri was not used by firms till 2007, at the earliest.

but it was not Microsoft default fonts then. somebody has to download and select the font for drafting.

No major company would ever use a font like that.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

To me, the political aspects do not matter, but the technical aspects and the conclusions based off them must be robust for the process to be credible.



The font was available as a TTF file for many years before 2007, please see my post above.

Well if the font's beta version was available earlier than 2007, and oddly Mariam decided to use that specific font even before it got commercially available, then the question is that the beta version in 2006 that Mariam used? Or was it the final commercially released version in 2007 that was used? I hope the forensic report is detailed enough to prove this without doubt.

We also have to look at how plausible is the scenario for Mariyam to use such a font when its not commercially released. Other wise even if it is not released, they can still say 'well we are the real inventors of this font and gave it to MS for free ... is it a crime to use a custom fonts for our documents, and MS is lying when they deny this!'

Regards

 

[VCheng]

http://www.lucasfonts.com/case-studies/calibri-consolas/

Straight from the founder's website
Work on the individual designs began in late 2002. In January 2003, the in-house coordinators and independent designers met at Microsoft’s headquarters. All six Western typefaces in the collection were to be developed simultaneously in three scripts (Latin, Greek and Cyrillic) with the same robust glyph set for all. As the typefaces were intended for text setting, not as display faces, most of them included fewer stylistic alternates and special features than a sophisticated display or script face might. The exception is Luc(as) de Groot’s Calibri, which is suited for both text and display settings, and is exuberant with variants and logotypes and extra characters such as a suite of directional arrows.

Again, the idea of this font being used for financial documents is bonkers. This isn't just some amateur people saying this, but highly respected people who have investigated the matter. Calibri was not used by firms till 2007, at the earliest.


No major company would ever use a font like that.

Yes, it means that TTF files of the font were available for use for years before the document was written, as I said. That is the fact.

Well we know that the font's beta version was available earlier than 2007, but is that the one that Mariam used? Or was it the final commercially released version that was used? I hope the forensic report is detailed enough to prove this without doubt.

We also have to look at how plausible is the scenario for Mariyam to use such a font when its not commercially released. Other wise even if it is not released, they can still say 'well we are the real inventors of this font and gave it to MS for free ... is it a crime to use a custom fonts for our documents, and MS is lying when they deny this!'

Regards

I do not go by assumptions, but facts. Please see above.

 

[abp94]

Yes, it means that TTF files of the font were available for use for years before the document was written, as I said. That is the fact.

I will concede that, but the date I will pick is more nearer late 2004, than 2002, based on what I've researched in the past day.

 

[Secret Service]

So if the font was available in 2005 and the document printed in 2007, what's the problem here. Guys can someone please elaborate on what's up with this font fiasco? I'm really quite confused.

the document presented to JIT was signed in 2006 by Maryum Nawaz, printed in Calibri font which was not available then, so the document proved to be fake.

 

[VCheng]

I will concede that, but the date I will pick is more nearer late 2004, than 2002, based on what I've researched in the past day.

Thank you. As long as the TTF file pre-dates the document, raising the font issue as a factor in determining authenticity is not correct.

the document presented to JIT was signed in 2006 by Maryum Nawaz, printed in Calibri font which was not available then, so the document proved to be fake.

The font was available before the date of the document.

 

[abp94]

I think we can summarise it as thus then, with your consent @Syed.Ali.Haider

The font was available before 2006
As primary evidence, it is useless for this reason
As supporting evidence, combined with other reasons to believe it's a forgery, it can be important, as it is unlikely to be used by reputed companies.

On a related note, there is a contact button at Lucas's website for anyone interested
http://www.lucasfonts.com/contact/contact/

Perhaps they could give us the precise dates of TTF releases and the lot, would be interesting to have. I'm personally not invested enough to ask.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Thank you. As long as the TTF file pre-dates the document, raising the font issue as a factor in determining authenticity is not correct.



The font was available before the date of the document.

ok may be you missunderstood me. There was a certain version of calibiri available in ttf say version x in 2006 ... is that the one she used or is she using version z which was released after 2007? We both havent looked at the document and neither the details of the forensic report ... so really we both are working with some assumptions here. SC will look at all facts in the end.

 

[VCheng]

I think we can summarise it as thus then, with your consent @Syed.Ali.Haider

The font was available before 2006
As primary evidence, it is useless for this reason
As supporting evidence, combined with other reasons to believe it's a forgery, it can be important, as it is unlikely to be used by reputed companies.

On a related note, there is a contact button at Lucas's website for anyone interested
http://www.lucasfonts.com/contact/contact/

Perhaps they could give us the precise dates of TTF releases and the lot, would be interesting to have. I'm personally not invested enough to ask.

ok may be you missunderstood me. There was a certain version of calibiri available in ttf say version x in 2006 ... is that the one she used or is she using version z which was released after 2007? We both havent looked at the document and neither the details of the forensic report ... so really we both are working with some assumptions here. SC will look at all facts in the end.

As I said before, I am totally impartial to the political effects, and therefore perfectly content to leave the matter with the Supreme Court of Pakistan.

 

[abp94]

True, but if peopled did not resort to speculation and guessing based on knowledge, instead of being patient, we wouldn't have forums

As I said before, I am totally impartial to the political effects, and therefore perfectly content to leave the matter with the Supreme Court of Pakistan.

 

[Secret Service]

Thank you. As long as the TTF file pre-dates the document, raising the font issue as a factor in determining authenticity is not correct.



The font was available before the date of the document.

but it was not default font of Microsoft office unitil 2007. One has to specifically download that particular type of font for drafting.

but it was not default font of Microsoft office unitil 2007. One has to specifically download that particular type of font for drafting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri

 

[abp94]

Anyone have any idea why half my posts are meeting some sort of awaiting moderation wall?

 

[VCheng]

but it was not default font of Microsoft office unitil 2007. One has to specifically download that particular type of font for drafting.

The fact remains that the font in question pre-dates the document, and therefore it cannot be used to impugn its authenticity, by itself.

 

[abp94]

The fact remains that the font in question pre-dates the document, and therefore it cannot be used to impugn its authenticity, by itself.

Is there any other supporting evidence?

More importantly, any place we can read the whole JIT?

 

[VCheng]

Is there any other supporting evidence?

More importantly, any place we can read the whole JIT?

The entire 275 page report has been uploaded right here on PDF.

True, but if peopled did not resort to speculation and guessing based on knowledge, instead of being patient, we wouldn't have forums

The forum can do as it pleases, while I will stick to the facts.