Mian Atif, PTI and Oriya Maqbol Jaan..

[Shane]

Furthermore, Imam Mehdi and Jesus (Esa), (peace be upon them) are two distinct individuals...two separate men but Mirza Qadiani declared himself to be Mehdi and Esa at the same time...
It just shows that the British agent who wrote this script was not that intelligent after all..so the conspiracy failed..

Also read the above post that is another self exposition of the false narrative being cunningly posted in the guise of quoting from the Quran and the verse "Every Soul Shall Taste Death" and how personal wishes are used to try and mock the Prophets of Islam SWs and not only what is written in The Quran about Hadrat Esa AS but also how he twists the Prophecies concerning the return of Hadrat Esa AS by the Last Prophet of Islam himself, Prophet Muhammad SAW.

Surah AN-Nisa:

4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

4:158
Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

4:159
And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness.

I wonder who was doubting about the matter of Hadrat Esa AS and saying I only believe what is written in The Quran... It is indeed written in The Quran that Hadrat Esa AS did not die but was raised by Allah Subhan Taala. Thus, KhatimunNabiyyeen Muhammad SAW's prophesy that Hadrath Esa AS would return and pray behind Imam Mahdi etc etc ...as discussed earlier.

 

[gutto786]

Cant go into details right now. But this concept that Hazrat Essa (PBUH) have died and passed away has been told by many scholars in the past as well. Like mujadad Alif Sani (RA), Ibn e Arabi (RA), in modren age ghamdi sb as well.
Even at the demise of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) when Hazrat Umar (RA) due love of prophet(pbuh) stood and said who so evet says Muhammad(pbuh) has died I will cut his throat. Then Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA) stood up and recited

Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu afa-in mata aw qutila inqalabtum AAalaaAAqabikum waman yanqalib AAala AAaqibayhi falan yadurra Allaha shay-an wasayajzee Allahu alshshakireena

Muhammad is no more than a messenger.
Messengers have passed on before him. If he
dies or gets killed, will you turn on your
heels? He who turns on his heels will not
harm Allah in any way. And Allah will re-
ward the appreciative.

Listening to this Hazrat Umar calmed down suddenly and sat down. Why didn't Hazrat Umar (RA) stood up and said, what are you saying Abu Bakar (RA) if Issa(PBUH) can be still alive, why Muhammad(PBUH) has died

Second, Surah Al e Imran verse 55.
“Idh qala Allahu ya ‘isa “inni mutawaffika wa-rafi’uka “ilayya wa-mutahhiruka mina al-ladhina kafaruwa-ja’ilu al-ladhina it-taba’uka fawqa al-ladhina kafaru “ila yawmi al-qiyamati thumma “ilayya marji’ukum fa-“ahkumu baynakum fima kuntum fihi takhtalifuna

Allah said, “O Jesus, "I am terminating" your
life, and raising you to Me, and clearing you
of those who disbelieve. And I will make
those who follow you superior to those who
disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection.
Then to Me is your return; then I will judge
between you regarding what you were dis-
puting.

(Translated from Arabic by Talal Itani
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word 'Allah' to refer to the Creator. Edition B uses
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[Proudpakistaniguy]

BTW Ahmadiyya view is that the biggest gift on humanity is prophethood and chain of prophethood would continue but only in the ummah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and under the umberella of Islam. With the advent of prophet Muhammad(PBUH), rehmat ul alameen, this gift is now open for one more way which is through complete obedience, follow and love of prophet Muhammad (PBUH). New prophets will come afterwards and who so ever will come with divine signs as prophecized by prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and quran and hadith should be accepted

I have conversation with many Qadyanizz and they were telling me that Qadyani believe in finality of Prophethood and they believing in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is not violation of finality of Prophethood because Mirza claim to be imam mahdi and second coming of Jesus and second coming of Jesus don't violate the finality of Prophethood because Jesus will come as follower of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and will not bring something new...difference between qadyani and us is that we are still waiting for Jesus and we also also think Imam mahdi and Jesus are two different person while Qadyani think that Mirza Ghulam is boht Jesus and Imam mahdi and they twist many verses of Quran and attribute it to Mirza Ghulam ahmed

but what you are suggesting here is that we should leave this open for every TOM, Dick and harry to claim to be messiah and Prophet of Islam ..obviously even fake person will twist verses and Hadiths to make his claim of Prophethood as genuine and real

 

[I.R.A]

Your only argument is that they are Non Muslims because the majority of Pakistani Muslims believe so !!

That has never been my argument. You purposefully ignored my question. Who takes superiority in Mirzaiat

• Quran, Rasool ALLAH hazrat Muhammad Peace be upon and his companions OR
• Mirza Ghulam Ahmed his book and his companions?

The majority are clear .............. are the minority clear on this and willing to speak the truth like they did in Parliamentary debate that ended in them declaring non Muslim?

Do you believe that Mr Mirza was a prophet?

We need mechanisms to prevent "Tyranny of the Majority" in any democratic government, but unfortunately in Pakistan we have no effective mechanism (or even a will) to prevent legal tyranny and constitutional discrimination against the minorities or minority sects.

We need mechanism to prevent minority from playing victim all the time when they are clearly involved in identity theft.

There is no "definition of Islam" agreed upon by all sects. Varying/different human interpretations of the (same) divine revelation essentially tend to be contradictory in nature ... This was pointed out by the honorable Supreme Court of Pakistan in 1953/54 ... Mullahs belonging to different sects couldn't agree upon any definition of Islam (accepted by all) when the court asked them to define "Muslim". .... For details see "Munir's Report of 1954". The honorable judges observed:

Sects can never agree upon any definition, because Islam has got nothing to do with the Sects

 

[gutto786]

but what you are suggesting here is that we should leave this open for every TOM, Dick and harry to claim to be messiah and Prophet of Islam ..obviously even fake person will twist verses and Hadiths to make his claim of Prophethood as genuine and real

You have missed the whole point or willingly ignored it may be. Any new prophet can come with divine signs, not by changing Quran or hadith.
Do you know that promised Messiah came with a sign that no man can interefere with or has control over. This sign alone is enough for people with fear of God to accept him.
The grand prophecy of eclipse
https://www.alislam.org/topics/eclipses/response-to-mcnaughton.html

Allegations and answers
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/new/TruthAboutEclipses.html

 

[I.R.A]

By the way people should research and read about Bhawalpur case of 1935. It was decided then by the court that Qadiyanis by believing in a separate prophet stand non Muslim. Basically it was a normal divorce case where a woman had claimed that her husband's conversion to Qadiyaniat has rendered their Marriage null and void. It took 9 years for the court to decide this case in 1935, in favor of the woman.

Mr Ghulam Ahmed Mirza's name is not Ahmed but Ghulam Ahmed.

 

[pzfz]

Keep it coming dear, keep us entertained by your lack of substance or even an iota of knowledge or reminiscence of any logic on the subject at hand. Go and do some research on who a Muslim is; a Muslim is certainly not and never will be a Qadyani.

Funny how you people start calling names like Facism and retorts like tiny brain... All you do is expose yourself for who you really are; Another libtard stands shamelessly exposed.

Not a single fact or logic in your post yet you keep coming up with mediocrity par excellence, while I'm referring to The Quran and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad SAW clearly stating that there would be no Prophet after him and that he is the KhatimunNabiyyon and The Deen of Islam is complete.

To top it off I'm referring to you the constitution of Pakistan that clearly reflects the same and all you can come up with is name calling, flaccid logic and kiddy whimpers as if from a brain probably compromised by repeated misadventures of adolescence. Poor fellow. I can only imagine your condition dear. I hope you recover and do inform us about your progress from time to time.

As of Qadyanis, you can cry a river and swim in your bodily fluids all you like but they are non Muslims, as per Islamic Jurisprudence and Constitution of Pakistan and that is a fact. Period.

I look forward to the your next ranting post where each paragraph says the exact same thing. Keep blabbering, this won't change the fact Ahmedis consider themselves to be Muslims, they'll continue to convert people to Islam, and there is nothing you can do about it. Stop being a gasbag.

 

[PakSword]

So how many Qadiyanis we have identified till now?

@Shane @Verve @war&peace

 

[Imad.Khan]

So how many Qadiyanis we have identified till now?

@Shane @Verve @war&peace

Lets stay as far away as possible from this topic, it will only create more anger and more hatred.

 

[war&peace]

So how many Qadiyanis we have identified till now?

@Shane @Verve @war&peace

I don't know but it would be a fun to know..so please count them and let us know. However, many of them still won't identify themselves as qadiyanis.

 

[Shane]

I look forward to the your next ranting post where each paragraph says the exact same thing. Keep blabbering, this won't change the fact Ahmedis consider themselves to be Muslims, they'll continue to convert people to Islam, and there is nothing you can do about it. Stop being a gasbag.

My dear just watch the following Video and try to understand that there is a logic behind the claim of finality of the Prophet-hood of Muhammad SAW; belief in The Quran and the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad SAW. Those who don't understand it should seek knowledge and try to read and understand the words of Allah and his apostles.

I hope this video helps you to seek more knowledge:

As for those who are using translations of their liking to prove a contradiction or completely other meaning like @gutto786. No amount of word twisting and paraphrasing The Quran can change its actual meaning written in Arabic and how it reflects in the Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad SAW, if there is any confusion then the hadiths of the Prophet SAW and His Prophecies certainly reflect The Quran.

Those who do the twisting, do it knowingly to prove their false narrative to the unawares followers.

...do you know dear that close to one hundred verses of the holy Quran, directly or indirectly, support the doctrine of the Finality of Prophethood of Muhammad SAW.

From Adam AS to other Prophets of Islam including Hadrat Esa AS to the last Prophet Muhammad SAW, the Deen of Islam is Complete.

---------------------------------------------------------​

So how many Qadiyanis we have identified till now?

@Shane @Verve @war&peace

Lol, its nothing sinister but proves why some members are so against Imran Khan and got more and more hostile after his going against what Nawaz Govt. tried and failed to amend the Khatmenabowat declaration and removing separate column for Qadyanis in the electoral list reflecting them as a minority. For your perusal too @Zibago @BHarwana

 

[Verve]

You have missed the whole point or willingly ignored it may be. Any new prophet can come with divine signs, not by changing Quran or hadith.
Do you know that promised Messiah came with a sign that no man can interefere with or has control over. This sign alone is enough for people with fear of God to accept him.
The grand prophecy of eclipse
https://www.alislam.org/topics/eclipses/response-to-mcnaughton.html

Allegations and answers
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/new/TruthAboutEclipses.html

This is why you are banned from deceiving Muslims in Pakistan, and this is why there is a growing hatred and intolerance.

Fitna, pure satanic fitna your faith.

 

[M. Sarmad]

That has never been my argument. You purposefully ignored my question. Who takes superiority in Mirzaiat

• Quran, Rasool ALLAH hazrat Muhammad Peace be upon and his companions OR
• Mirza Ghulam Ahmed his book and his companions?

The majority are clear .............. are the minority clear on this and willing to speak the truth like they did in Parliamentary debate that ended in them declaring non Muslim?

Do you believe that Mr Mirza was a prophet?

You are contradicting yourself here. You Start by saying that "majority" is not your argument but then you assert that the Majority is clear, the minority is not !! In fact, that is the only argument you have been able to bring forward so far but argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument.

As for Ahmadiyya beliefs, they accept the Holy Qur'an as the unaltered word of Allah. They do not reject any Quranic verse, nor do they reject the prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) ...They just have a different understanding/interpretation of one Quranic verse (which they haven't "invented", various medieval scholars have interpreted the term exactly the same way as Ahmadis do today )and that in my opinion doesn't make them non Muslims, esp. when they themselves claim/insist that they are Muslims ...

You can disagree with their understanding/interpretation of Quranic words "Khatama alnnabiyyeen", you also are free to believe that they are not Muslims as they interpret this Quranic concept differently (from you, and the majority) but it's not for the state to intervene and declare them Non Muslims constitutionally based on the will/understanding of the majority ..

Shias believe in Imamat and Vilayat .. None of these concepts is mentioned explicitly in the Holy Qur'an. Sunnis derive their religion from Ahadith books written centuries after the compilation of the Holy Qur'an, again something that is in direct contradiction with clear Quranic injunctions .... Wahhabis have their own interpretation/understanding of religion and people inspired by Wahhabism kill innocent people in the name of religion .... No interpretation is perfect .... Human interpretations of divine revelation essentially tend to be contradictory in nature and it's best left to Allah almighty to decide that who is a True Muslim and who is not if you want to avoid fitna, fasaad and bloodshed in the name of religion.

 

[I.R.A]

@M. Sarmad

Is Quran the final divine book and message for humanity or not?

 

[M. Sarmad]

@M. Sarmad

Is Quran the final divine book and message for humanity or not?

Of course it is