Meet the Su-57 ‘Lite’: Russia Working on Single Engine Next Generation Fighter to Compete with America’s F-35

[Deino]

Meet the Su-57 ‘Lite’: Russia Working on Single Engine Next Generation Fighter to Compete with America’s F-35

Russia is developing a new next generation fighter jet to complement the heavier Su-57 fighter and upcoming MiG-41 heavy interceptor. The aircraft is expected to share

militarywatchmagazine.com

Russia is reportedly developing a single engine 5th gen fighter jet. Could this be an alternative to the Chinese j-35??

Sorry to once again ruin the party but IMO is "militarywatchmagazine" a completely unreliable source and second from all I know, there is only a slim chance of anything being built and if, it will be twin-engined:

This is via the SecretProjects Forum" (by LMFS):

For years we just had some vague claims from time to time regarding the next light fighter from MiG, but nothing concrete apart from some apparently signed agreement with the UAE for a joint development. Only recently it was confirmed by UAC that MiG has indeed received a contract to research the aerodynamics of a light, twin-engine fighter until 2025:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1250692021704065024

But these Е-721 studies are unrelated, it has nothing to do with a current MiG light fighter studies.


The most recent report on this stuff is this:

No, Russia Really Doesn’t Need A New Single-Engine Fighter

Despite decades of work on a lightweight fighter concept, the prospect of orders seems as remote as ever.

www.thedrive.com

 

[The Raven]

People have short memories. The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept, and Mig was enlisted as a design consultant to redesign the JF-17 in its current form. I wouldn't be surprised if Azm follows a similar route - take a Russian design study and adapt it for PAF purposes. Pure speculation of course.

 

[Deino]

People have short memories. The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept, and Mig was enlisted as a design consultant to redesign the JF-17 in its current form. I wouldn't be surprised if Azm follows a similar route - take a Russian design study and adapt it for PAF purposes. Pure speculation of course.

I do not want to open a can of worms once again, but was this ever confirmed by a true authoritative source that "The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept"?? Or isn't just the typical hear-say since there were certain design similarities?

At least the so called Izd.33 - there was never a true MiG-33 - was only a concept, it never progressed beyond the concept stage with some models built, whereas the Chinese original FC-1 concept was already much closer to the final JF-17 and very much similar to the Romanian IAR-95 from the early 1980s, whih by the way was to be powered by a Chinese WS-9.

Therefore I sometimes have the feeling this "The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept"-argument is quite lame and generally fits the public opinion after the USA left with the Super-7 project, the Chinese sure were not capable to develop it on their own, so the Russians must have helped.

 

[The Raven]

I do not want to open a can of worms once again, but was this ever confirmed by a true authoritative source that "The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept"?? Or isn't just the typical hear-say since there were certain design similarities?

At least the so called Izd.33 - there was never a true MiG-33 - was only a concept, it never progressed beyond the concept stage with some models built, whereas the Chinese original FC-1 concept was already much closer to the final JF-17 and very much similar to the Romanian IAR-95 from the early 1980s, whih by the way was to be powered by a Chinese WS-9.

Therefore I sometimes have the feeling this "The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept"-argument is quite lame and generally fits the public opinion after the USA left with the Super-7 project, the Chinese sure were not capable to develop it on their own, so the Russians must have helped.

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Deino, back in the mid-90s, it was widely reported and well known that Mig had joined the development programme for the Super-7/FC-1, and clearly used the basis of the "Project-33", aka "Mig-33" as the basis for what would eventually become the JF-17. People like Hui Tong and other reliable Chinese sources were also reporting the same...maybe I'm showing my age now, but I clearly remember this was widely known in the mid-90s. See an archived news link below...

https://www.flightglobal.com/mikoyan-joins-chengdu-on-fighter/15673.article

https://web.archive.org/web/2014071...icles/mikoyan-joins-chengdu-on-fighter-25623/

CHENGDU AIRCRAFT (CAC) has teamed with Mikoyan MAPO to design and produce a new single-engine fighter to replace China's now defunct Super-7 project

The FC-1 is being developed as a private venture funded by CAC, China National Aero-Technology Import and Export (CATIC) and Pakistan. The aircraft is aimed principally at the export market, with the Pakistan air force expected to be the initial user.

CATIC is pushing for support from Aviation Industries of China (AVIC) and is confident of selling the lightweight fighter to China's PLA air force.

The aircraft has been under development since 1991, and is now in the detailed design phase. Two partial forward- and rear- fuselage mock-ups have been completed. A single-seat prototype is scheduled for a first flight in 1997. A two-seat aircraft is also planned.

Production is due to start in 1999 at CAC. Pakistan Aeronautical Complex will initially, produce parts for the FC-1 and is discussing the establishment, of a second production line.

Mikoyan is providing design support and has seconded a team of engineers to CAC. The aircraft resembles an earlier Mikoyan design given the internal designation MiG-33. The design, developed in the early 1980s, was intended as a light dogfight aircraft.

The FC-1 has been designed around the 80kN (18,300lb)-thrust Klimov RD-93 turbofan. The engine is an improved modular development of the RD-33 engine, which was also intended to power the MiG-33.

The FC-1 design, however, differs with adoption of twin side-mounted air intakes. Liyang Machinery of Guizhou, plans to produce the RD-93 under licence in China.

It will feature seven hard-points, including wingtip pylons for PL-7/10 short-range air-to-air missiles. A pulse Doppler multi-role radar has yet to be selected. Pakistan is expected to make a decision on its own avionics suite and weapon system within three to five months.

On a side note, I always thought the IAR-95 was meant to use a RR Spey at first, but then later changed to Tumansky R-29-300, wasn't aware the WS-9 was in contention.

Also note that this wasn't an indication that the "Chinese couldn't do alone", remember that Grumman was a consultant on the original "Super-7/Sabre" project, which was essentially a redesigned J-7, an aircraft which the Chinese had ample experience and knowledge of, and given the fact they had done all the work on redesigning the classic Mig-21/J-7 design into something like the J-8, almost a completely different aircraft, and yet still needed someone like Grumman as a consultant. The main reason for Grumman/Mig being involved was simply to speed up the process, especially when the decision was taken to use an existing Mig design concept and redesign it with a few modifications.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

@The Eagle hello sir.
So thread title has to be same as the article I wish to post?

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle hello sir.
So thread title has to be same as the article I wish to post?

Yes.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yes.

Sorry I didn't know that.

 

[Figaro]

Why would Russia divert massive resources to build a fifth generation single engine fighter when they haven't even gotten the Su-57 fully flushed out yet? Also Russia does not have a history of single engine fighters AFAIK ... most likely due to the reliability of their gas turbines.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Why would Russia divert massive resources to build a fifth generation single engine fighter when they haven't even gotten the Su-57 fully flushed out yet? Also Russia does not have a history of single engine fighters AFAIK ... most likely due to the reliability of their gas turbines.

that's not a point, i think the don't want single engine jet not of their gas turbine technologies but vastness of their country , they want to to cover vast swath of their country with twin engine jets and if one engine could failed they have other engine to go to nearest base in emergencies

 

[Figaro]

that's not a point, i think the don't want single engine jet not of their gas turbine technologies but vastness of their country , they want to to cover vast swath of their country with twin engine jets and if one engine could failed they have other engine to go to nearest base in emergencies

Only European Russia would be considered in a future war ... a huge chunk of Russia is Siberia which is not relevant unless China decides to attack or something. So operational range would definitely not be an issue since there are a bunch of military bases in European Russia.

 

[KurtisBrian]

tough little fighter jet. kind of like Russia's new tough little corvette warship the Karakurt.

Perhaps they will call this jet the Careofkurt2

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I second that., I would even add Rolls Royce and Volvo in that list too.
call it my opinion or bias. but the performance and the experience speaks of the Western quality , craftsmanship , better design and reliability

Volvo Flygmotor is now GKN Aerospace.
Their variant of the GE-404 (RM12) is certainly a lot better than the original GE-404.

 

[Titanium100]

Russian technologies are not impressive anymore and i don't know whether its old or not but the world has evovled past that but still good for undeveloped countries due to the large magnititude they bulit but it is a technology i would advise against purchasing for any aspiring countries for avancement

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Russian technologies are not impressive anymore and i don't know whether its old or not but the world has evovled past that but still good for undeveloped countries due to the large magnititude they bulit but it is a technology i would advise against purchasing for any aspiring countries for avancement

Another kid is trying to be military expert, and how do you know they are behind the western military tech currently they lack $$$ but they have the tech/experience to match western military tech, S-400 is one of the best ANTI ABM SAMs system/T-90 one of the best tank/S-300 is on par with US Patriot PAC-3/Su-27 series of jets are comparable to US F-15 series of jets/Mig-29 is comparable to US F-16/F-18/ WORLD HEAVIEST BM (R-36) WHICH CAN CARRY 10-15 MIRV NUCLEAR WARHEAD WITH PENETRATION AIDS AND DEVELOPING ANOTHER SUPER HEAVY WHIC CAN CARRY 15-20 MIRV NUKE WARHEADS NAMED SARMAT

And last US MILITARY ALWAYS SAID THAT WE HAVE NO THREAT FROM ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS CONSIDER RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES AS A THREAT TO USA

 

[Titanium100]

Another kid is trying to be military expert, and how do you know they are behind the western military tech currently they lack $$$ but they have the tech/experience to match western military tech, S-400 is one of the best ANTI ABM SAMs system/T-90 one of the best tank/S-300 is on par with US Patriot PAC-3/Su-27 series of jets are comparable to US F-15 series of jets/Mig-29 is comparable to US F-16/F-18/ WORLD HEAVIEST BM (R-36) WHICH CAN CARRY 10-15 MIRV NUCLEAR WARHEAD WITH PENETRATION AIDS AND DEVELOPING ANOTHER SUPER HEAVY WHIC CAN CARRY 15-20 MIRV NUKE WARHEADS NAMED SARMAT

And last US MILITARY ALWAYS SAID THAT WE HAVE NO THREAT FROM ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS CONSIDER RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES AS A THREAT TO USA

Mig-29 is not comparable to US F-16-18 relax bro. I am not saying it is low-tier or anything just saying it is not up to date. They sell it in large quantity which is good and means they have good market but it is not a relieable hardware. S400 is rumored to be good but not fully tested again to actully see what it truly can. S300 didn't impress me alot to be honest