Meerut tense after clashes over forced conversion of a lady teacher

[Chronos]

That's not how it works in rural areas. It is why so much of friction takes place (contrary to common "secular" belief, it is not just Hindu organisations going berserk). When a percentage of a village converts & are told by the church to cut off ties, they suddenly alienate themselves from the rest of the village by shutting themselves off from nearly all cultural practices (village festivals, celebrations etc) because they would be connected to Hinduism. Add to that the church showering benefits on the "converts" & you have a situation ripe for conflict. Conversions in rural areas are a completely different ball game than individuals doing so in the cities, it is why I have always held the opinion that church organisations that seek conversions should be strictly monitored in such areas because the blowback can be severe. Too many people see it simply as just religious business, it is far more complicated than that.



Those are in a completely different plane. Not religion driven.

plus you have the zealotry of the newly converted as well. I can see how that wreaks havoc on the village dynamics.

 

[KalaGhoda]

@Indrani don't you think this is not the right thread for that kinda religious discussion...create a new one in member's section.

honestly no offence..

u remind me of someone i knew in orkut. were u in orkut and used to do this there btw ?

 

[Indrani]

By secularist Hindus, do you mean Deepak Chopra type of Hindus?

Deepak is a bit beyond that. He is literally an evangelical vedantist. The secular Hindu actually holds him in deep contempt too. The secular Hindus I am talking about are basically deracinated Hindus.

@Indrani don't you think this is not the right thread for that kinda religious discussion...create a new one in member's section.

honestly no offence..

u remind me of someone i knew in orkut. were u in orkut and used to do this there btw ?

No I was not on orkut. Actually it belongs here.

 

[Bang Galore]

It is out of whack with the Hindu thought because it holds diversity in contempt which Shankara never meant at all. There was no undermining of the phenomenal world or the multiplicity of Gods in the scriptures by Shankara. But not so with the seculars. These people are not just happy believing what they believe, but also propagating their disdain. You can see it in so many many ways. Shankara actually went about establishing mathas. The secular crowd if given a chance would tear down each of these mathas.

That is a view you are entitled to hold, a simplistic reading of Hinduism in my opinion. There are plenty of scriptures in Hinduism which chose to trudge a different path (Mandukya Upanishad & Gaudapada's commentary on it are good examples). Doesn't make them less Hindu though. Shows that there have always been different ideas on what Hinduism's essence is.

As usual, let's agree to disagree. We are going way off topic.

 

[Chronos]

That is a view you are entitled to hold, a simplistic reading of Hinduism in my opinion. There are plenty of scriptures in Hinduism which chose to trudge a different path (Mandukya Upanishad & Gaudapada's commentary on it are good examples). Doesn't make them less Hindu though. Shows that there have always been different ideas on what Hinduism's essence is.

As usual, let's agree to disagree. We are going way off topic.

how did a poster like you get -2 ratings?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That is a view you are entitled to hold, a simplistic reading of Hinduism in my opinion. There are plenty of scriptures in Hinduism which chose to trudge a different path (Mandukya Upanishad & Gaudapada's commentary on it are good examples). Doesn't make them less Hindu though. shows that there have always been different ideas on what Hinduism's essence is.

As usual, let's agree to disagree. We are going way off topic.

You and @Indrani - I understand you got a nice discussion here, but lets not debate Hinduism here. It's no use. It's too vast, too diverse and deep to delve into.

Let's focus on the girl who had a life of her own and got dragged to a madrassa, got gangraped and converted. She could have been someone close to us, our relative, our girl/friend/sister/daughter. Let's look at it from the POV of this poor girl here.
What's worse is that the crime was committed not just for sexual desires but even in a place of faith!

 

[Jaggu]

Deepak is a bit beyond that. He is literally an evangelical vedantist. The secular Hindu actually holds him in deep contempt too. The secular Hindus I am talking about are basically deracinated Hindus.



No I was not on orkut. Actually it belongs here.

I remember watching a Hindi movie not too long ago called OMG - Oh My God! staring Akshay Kumar and Paresh Rawal. Although it was a funny movie, but thinking more deeply I thought they pretty much made a mockery of Hinduism, Hindu way of worshiping, especially trying to ridicule the Mandhir and it's rituals as being useless. I think the directer must be a secular Hindu that you talk about.

 

[TejasMk3]

Thinking about this the same thing those boko haram guys are doing?

All this is doing is creating a hugely volatile situation for flash rioting. Apparently even simple things like bike accidents have people gathering as mobs there. I wouldnt be surprised if this was fueled by certain parties (both internal and external).

Oh look, sickulars have arrived

https://twitter.com/x/status/496253859178610689

 

[Indrani]

I remember watching a Hindi movie not too long ago called OMG - Oh My God! staring Akshay Kumar and Paresh Rawal. Although it was a funny movie, but thinking more deeply I thought they pretty much made a mockery of Hinduism, Hindu way of worshiping, especially trying to ridicule the Mandhir and it's rituals. I think the directer must be a secular Hindu that you talk about.

Yeah. I have not seen the movie, but I heard that was just about what it was. Another of Bollywood's attacks on Hinduism for the zillionth time.

 

[KalaGhoda]

@Indrani no, it does not...read @SarthakGanguly s post above me.

 

[amitkriit]

Here are the culprits (Warriors of faith)

 

[Indrani]

That is a view you are entitled to hold, a simplistic reading of Hinduism in my opinion. There are plenty of scriptures in Hinduism which chose to trudge a different path (Mandukya Upanishad & Gaudapada's commentary on it are good examples). Doesn't make them less Hindu though. Shows that there have always been different ideas on what Hinduism's essence is.

As usual, let's agree to disagree. We are going way off topic.

We are not talking here of the ultimate reality of God. Does not make them less Hindu, but makes them dangerous for other Hindus. Kind of similar to Islamic Wahhabi.

 

[Jaggu]

Yeah. I have not seen the movie, but I heard that was just about what it was. Another of Bollywood's attacks on Hinduism for the zillionth time.

It's wasn't just an attack but I have noticed many new aged Hindu spiritualists have created a new Hinduism where they say Mandhirs are unnecessary, spiritual discipline is worthless. They say you should just live in the moment. It seems to be a very Buddhism type of Hinduism that they are pushing.

 

[Indrani]

@Indrani no, it does not...read @SarthakGanguly s post above me.

I got into the argument with a comment on who emboldens the Muslims to carry out such acts in Hindu majority India. The logical answer being the Secular Hindu who puts a veil over every crime by a Muslim. The secular media, the secular academia, the secular Bengali, etc. etc. Yeah someone did ask me what differentiated this secular from other regular Hindus, and the discussion did veer off. But in a way it was necessary to identify this Hindu. The enabler.

 

[Indrani]

It's wasn't just an attack but I have noticed many new aged Hindu spiritualists have created a new Hinduism where they say Mandhirs are unnecessary, spiritual discipline is worthless. They say you should just live in the moment. It seems to be a very Buddhism type of Hinduism that they are pushing.

Nah, nothing to do with Buddhism. The Buddhists of today are very very rational people. Just look at the arguments of the Dalai Lama. Also the enormous number of temples they build.