Medes were not Kurds

[Charon 2]

The Russian historian and linguist Vladimir Minorsky suggested that the Medes, who widely inhabited the land where currently the Kurds form the majority, might have been forefathers of the modern Kurds. He also claims that the Medes who invaded the region in the eighth century B.C.E., linguistically resembled the Kurds. This view was accepted by many Kurdish nationalists in the twentieth century. However, Martin van Bruinessen, a prominent Dutch scholar, argues against the attempt to take the Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[57]

Contemporary linguistic evidence has challenged the previously suggested view that the Kurds are descendants of the Medes.[58][59] Gernot Windfuhr (professor of Iranian Studies) identified Kurdish dialects as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum.[60] David Neil MacKenzie, an authority on the Kurdish language, thought that the Medes spoke a northwestern Iranian language, while the Kurdish people speak Kurmanji.[61][page needed][not in citation given][contradictory] The Kurdologist Martin van Bruinessen argues against the attempt to treat Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[57] Garnik Asatrian stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[62]


Hakan Özoğlu, Kurdish notables and the Ottoman state: Evolving Identities, Competing Loyalties, and Shifting Boundaries, SUNY Press, 2004, p. 25.
Turkey Foreign Policy and Government Guide - USA (PRD) International Business Publications - Google Books
Turkey: A Country Study - Federal Research Division - Google Books
Windfuhr, Gernot (1975), “Isoglosses: A Sketch on Persians and Parthians, Kurds and Medes”, Monumentum H.S. Nyberg II (Acta Iranica-5), Leiden: 457–471
M. Gunter, Michael. Historical dictionary of the Kurds.
G. Asatrian, Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds, Iran and the Caucasus, Vol. 13, pp. 1–58, 2009. (p. 21 [11])

I have enough of Kurdish nationalists who still pretend that Medes were Kurds


Medes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hack-Hook]

The Russian historian and linguist Vladimir Minorsky suggested that the Medes, who widely inhabited the land where currently the Kurds form the majority, might have been forefathers of the modern Kurds. He also claims that the Medes who invaded the region in the eighth century B.C.E., linguistically resembled the Kurds. This view was accepted by many Kurdish nationalists in the twentieth century. However, Martin van Bruinessen, a prominent Dutch scholar, argues against the attempt to take the Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[57]

Contemporary linguistic evidence has challenged the previously suggested view that the Kurds are descendants of the Medes.[58][59] Gernot Windfuhr (professor of Iranian Studies) identified Kurdish dialects as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum.[60] David Neil MacKenzie, an authority on the Kurdish language, thought that the Medes spoke a northwestern Iranian language, while the Kurdish people speak Kurmanji.[61][page needed][not in citation given][contradictory] The Kurdologist Martin van Bruinessen argues against the attempt to treat Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[57] Garnik Asatrian stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[62]


Hakan Özoğlu, Kurdish notables and the Ottoman state: Evolving Identities, Competing Loyalties, and Shifting Boundaries, SUNY Press, 2004, p. 25.
Turkey Foreign Policy and Government Guide - USA (PRD) International Business Publications - Google Books
Turkey: A Country Study - Federal Research Division - Google Books
Windfuhr, Gernot (1975), “Isoglosses: A Sketch on Persians and Parthians, Kurds and Medes”, Monumentum H.S. Nyberg II (Acta Iranica-5), Leiden: 457–471
M. Gunter, Michael. Historical dictionary of the Kurds.
G. Asatrian, Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds, Iran and the Caucasus, Vol. 13, pp. 1–58, 2009. (p. 21 [11])

I have enough of Kurdish nationalists who still pretend that Medes were Kurds


Medes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well you like them to call themselves parthians ?
hope you are aware that Parthians , Persians and Medes are the three branch of Arian who entered Iran plateau around 3500 years ago.
and by the way in Iran we more accustomed by considering Kurds as descendant of the medes

 

[Charon 2]

well you like them to call themselves parthians ?
hope you are aware that Parthians , Persians and Medes are the three branch of Arian who entered Iran plateau around 3500 years ago.
and by the way in Iran we more accustomed by considering Kurds as descendant of the medes

It doesn't matter what pseudo-historians of Iran say because Kurds are not linguistically the descendants of Medes. Kurmanji Kurdish and the extinct Parthian language belonged both to the Northwestern Iranian languages but they were still different and Kurdish has also traits from Southwestern Iranian languages like Farsi.

 

[SALMAN F]

The Russian historian and linguist Vladimir Minorsky suggested that the Medes, who widely inhabited the land where currently the Kurds form the majority, might have been forefathers of the modern Kurds. He also claims that the Medes who invaded the region in the eighth century B.C.E., linguistically resembled the Kurds. This view was accepted by many Kurdish nationalists in the twentieth century. However, Martin van Bruinessen, a prominent Dutch scholar, argues against the attempt to take the Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[57]

Contemporary linguistic evidence has challenged the previously suggested view that the Kurds are descendants of the Medes.[58][59] Gernot Windfuhr (professor of Iranian Studies) identified Kurdish dialects as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum.[60] David Neil MacKenzie, an authority on the Kurdish language, thought that the Medes spoke a northwestern Iranian language, while the Kurdish people speak Kurmanji.[61][page needed][not in citation given][contradictory] The Kurdologist Martin van Bruinessen argues against the attempt to treat Medes as ancestors of the Kurds.[57] Garnik Asatrian stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[62]


Hakan Özoğlu, Kurdish notables and the Ottoman state: Evolving Identities, Competing Loyalties, and Shifting Boundaries, SUNY Press, 2004, p. 25.
Turkey Foreign Policy and Government Guide - USA (PRD) International Business Publications - Google Books
Turkey: A Country Study - Federal Research Division - Google Books
Windfuhr, Gernot (1975), “Isoglosses: A Sketch on Persians and Parthians, Kurds and Medes”, Monumentum H.S. Nyberg II (Acta Iranica-5), Leiden: 457–471
M. Gunter, Michael. Historical dictionary of the Kurds.
G. Asatrian, Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds, Iran and the Caucasus, Vol. 13, pp. 1–58, 2009. (p. 21 [11])

I have enough of Kurdish nationalists who still pretend that Medes were Kurds


Medes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good work
These thieves they claim they are Mitanni then they claim they are Medes then the next day hurrian then gutians
They claim they are Elamites who tough the Sumerians the civilization I don't know how is that possible if the Sumerian civilization is oldest then Elamites

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Good work
These thieves they claim they are Mitanni then they claim they are Medes then the next day hurrian then gutians
They claim they are Elamites who tough the Sumerians the civilization I don't know how is that possible if the Sumerian civilization is oldest then Elamites

First history book written by a Kurd about Kurds was Sharaf Khan Bidlisi's Sharafnama dated back to 1597. No historical document regarding to the origins of kurds existed before.

My thesis they were mountaineers, living in the mountains. Because of living in mountains, they were Spared from the chaos created by Arab, Turkish and Mongol invasion. Also, these invasions forced them migrate westwards.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It doesn't matter what pseudo-historians of Iran say because Kurds are not linguistically the descendants of Medes. Kurmanji Kurdish and the extinct Parthian language belonged both to the Northwestern Iranian languages but they were still different and Kurdish has also traits from Southwestern Iranian languages like Farsi.

whatever you like . if you don't like to call them descendant of medes then call them descendent of parthian what different it make ?
and only a German pseudo linguistic call kurds not descendant of medes .

 

[kollang]

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@Serpentine

 

[SALMAN F]

First history book written by a Kurd about Kurds was Sharaf Khan Bidlisi's Sharafnama dated back to 1597. No historical document regarding to the origins of kurds existed before.

My thesis they were mountaineers, living in the mountains. Because of living in mountains, they were Spared from the chaos created by Arab, Turkish and Mongol invasion. Also, these invasions forced them migrate westwards.

And also because they were bandits who attacked many caravans they say why we need to work for month if we can loot and get a lot of money in one day
And the farming land of Anatolia and northern Iraq they came to this land as refugees but the problem they claim this Assyrian Akkadian lands as theirs
They say that they are the natives and the Assyrians are the invaders it's like we say the white people in america are the natives and the Indians are the invaders
They are joke when they twisting and falsefying history and fabricated

 

[SALMAN F]

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@Serpentine

What's wrong with the thread it shows the lies of these mountaineers who claim they lived in this land for 7000 years

 

[atatwolf]

First history book written by a Kurd about Kurds was Sharaf Khan Bidlisi's Sharafnama dated back to 1597. No historical document regarding to the origins of kurds existed before.

My thesis they were mountaineers, living in the mountains. Because of living in mountains, they were Spared from the chaos created by Arab, Turkish and Mongol invasion. Also, these invasions forced them migrate westwards.

Kurdish history consists out of cave dwelling around Zagros mountains. There is no clear history of Kurds. It is generally accepted they are Iranian offshoot and not native to Anatolia for sure. So how can they be Medes? And if they were, where were they during those thousands of years between Medes and the modern Kurd?

 

[IR1907]

Kurds are a Iranic people and belong to Iran. But since the Persian empire broke up and the British started creating artificial countries many Iranian Kurds got seperated from their native land. The Kurds you now see in Syria,Iraq,Turkey are not anymore related to Iran though, have been a long time they have been seperated from motherland, i suggest we keep it this way because they have nothing in common with us anymore.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

And also because they were bandits who attacked many caravans they say why we need to work for month if we can loot and get a lot of money in one day
And the farming land of Anatolia and northern Iraq they came to this land as refugees but the problem they claim this Assyrian Akkadian lands as theirs
They say that they are the natives and the Assyrians are the invaders it's like we say the white people in america are the natives and the Indians are the invaders
They are joke when they twisting and falsefying history and fabricated

I have read some history books written by Muslim scholars. Tabari's accounts show there were clashes between Abbasid Arabs and Kurds in late 800's. Most of the times, Arabs prevailed.

In Abu'l Faraj Gregory's accounts, (Crusades time 1000-1200's) they were described as raiders, descending from mountains, attacking Christian villages most of the times. With Turkmens entering Middleast, he wrote that Kurds and Turkmens clashed eachother, sometimes combined forces against Christians.

Kurds filled the gap which Armenians and Assyrians left in middleast. But i think Assyrians' demise start with Muslim Arab invasion. The area between Cappadocia and Zagros mountains was originally inhabited by Syriac people. Dont get confused with todays Syria. Real Syria (or Syriac people) occupied larger ground.

 

[SALMAN F]

Kurds are a Iranic people and belong to Iran. But since the Persian empire broke up and the British started creating artificial countries many Iranian Kurds got seperated from their native land. The Kurds you now see in Syria,Iraq,Turkey are not anymore related to Iran though, have been a long time they have been seperated from motherland, i suggest we keep it this way because they have nothing in common with us anymore.

The kurds didn't separate from iran kurds are immigrants to someone else lands like Anatolia which inhabited with anatolians and northern iraq which is Assyrian land and northern Syria which syriac and Assyrian land the problem the immigrated to these lands 200 years ago in 18th century but they always lie and they claim they live in these lands for thousands of years

 

[IR1907]

The kurds didn't separate from iran kurds are immigrants to someone else lands like Anatolia which inhabited with anatolians and northern iraq which is Assyrian land and northern Syria which syriac and Assyrian land the problem the immigrated to these lands 200 years ago in 18th century but they always lie and they claim they live in these lands for thousands of years

200 years ago there was the Persian empire (to a lesser extent but it included areas of syria,iraq etc), what the hell are you talking about ? The Kurds that were living in the Persian empire dissolved away in the artificial countries made up by the British.

 

[farhan_9909]

Kurds and Pashtuns are same people