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McCain lauds Pakistan's anti-terror efforts..visit North Waziristan, the war front

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i cant believe this. in angola, we were being 'guided' by US and Cubans/angolas by Russians. In finality, there was a 'indirect' talks facilitated by US/Russians - it was pathetic and there was no diligence as they were not on the ground. Give credit to our FM Pik botha ran into his Cuban counterpart and sat with him on the hotel bar and said what is it you want so that you walk away victorious and what we want to walk away victorious. 2 hours over drinks. done and klaar as we say it. Next day's meeting, Shultz and Shevednazde expected talks to continue, our FM walked with the Cubans and said no more talks. The reactions was 'without us'. Yes, we walked away and we are great friends till today.

Pakistan needs to come up and be a man's man and get their priorties in line; make peace 360 deg and the rest will come in line. Unless this mentality of master nod's being right is not remediated, the status quo is going to continue
For that you need leadership with strong institutions. We have a Senile leadership that attacks and destroys institutions for personal political gains and not in the interests of the whole nation.
 
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Too bad that Mr McCain has no real power in Government nor he is in elections to be a force
 
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For that you need leadership with strong institutions. We have a Senile leadership that attacks and destroys institutions for personal political gains and not in the interests of the whole nation.
Oom Pik was a very hard man who took no nonsense. As Oom Piet, a great brew master of mampoer says in our area, the 85% drink called F2U. :); a man needs not take orders from master, he needs to be master of his own destiny. It is a shame really.
Mandela said it very nicely when Clinton was visiting, Dont tell us who are friends are and those who are not, if you think you can do otherwise, there is the pool in the back - go and jump in it. This was a remark when Clinton tried to persuade us not to continue our friendships with Cuba, Libya and PLO. I am sure it is on youtube.
 
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Oom Pik was a very hard man who took no nonsense. As Oom Piet, a great brew master of mampoer says in our area, the 85% drink called F2U. :); a man needs not take orders from master, he needs to be master of his own destiny. It is a shame really.
Mandela said it very nicely when Clinton was visiting, 'Dont tell us who are friends are and those who are not, if you think you can do otherwise, there is the pool in the back - go and jump in it'. This was a remark when Clinton tried to persuade us not to continue our friendships with Cuba, Libya and PLO. I am sure it is on youtube.


and look at South Africa now. the living standards are lower than when apartheid was in place.

you have discrimination and genocide going on against the Boers.

EFF is a black supremacy hate group who could one day be the leaders of SA
EFF-Poster-Revolutionary.jpg


Mandela was no hero in my book.
 
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and look at South Africa now. the living standards are lower than when apartheid was in place.

you have discrimiation genocide going on against the Boers.

EFF is a black supremacy hate group
EFF-Poster-Revolutionary.jpg


Mandela was no hero in my book.
Excuse me friend. dont tell us what to do and what not to do. He was a good man.
Yes we have a lot of problems and we have a lot of good as well. Just like in US, you have asses and donkeys, so we do we. We can say a lot of about your US leadership who should have been tried in ICC for crimes against humanity - Bush, Nixon you name it.
Cheers. no further discussion.
 
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Excuse me friend. dont tell us what to do and what not to do. He was a good man.
Yes we have a lot of problems and we have a lot of good as well. Just like in US, you have asses and donkeys, so we do we. We can same a lot of about your US leadership who should have been tried in ICC for crimes against humanity - Bush, Nixon you name it.
Cheers. no further discussion.


it's South Africans who have to deal with inept leadership not the world.

the U.S isn't a saint never claimed it was :wave: I agree Bush along with Obama need to be tried by the ICC

but South Africa along with Zimbabwe have faired off worse under black rule than when apartheid was in place :pop:


I don't understand why blacks can't govern themselves and not be corrupt.
 
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The Republican Party has always warmed up to Pakistan. It's the Democrats that have a problem with Pakistan.

Trump is also Republican but he says he's going to put even more pressure on Pakistan if he's elected. The US as a state has made up its policy to unfairly favour india over Pakistan. It doesn't matter whether the democrats or republicans are in White House, the US administrations will try their best to deny or ignore the fact that india is training and funding terrorists in Afghanistan and Baluchistan to be used against Pakistan.
 
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Trump is also Republican but he says he's going to put even more pressure on Pakistan if he's elected. The US as a state has made up its policy to unfairly favour india over Pakistan. It doesn't matter whether the democrats or republicans are in White House, the US administrations will try their best to deny or ignore the fact that india is training and funding terrorists in Afghanistan and Baluchistan to be used against Pakistan.


can you blame the U.S for favoring India now??

when Pakistan friendship with China is higher than the Himlaya mountain deeper than the deepest sea??
when OBL was hiding in Pakistan?
when Mansoor was hiding Pakistan??
when India's economy is destined to be the fastest growing in the world and they'll be importing tens of billions if not hundreds of billions dollars worth of military equiptment over the next decade


it wasn't a hard choice for the U.S
 
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can you blame the U.S for favoring India now??

when Pakistan friendship with China is higher than the Himlaya mountain deeper than the deepest sea??
when OBL was hiding in Pakistan?
when Mansoor was hiding Pakistan??
when India's economy is destined to be the fastest growing in the world and they'll be importing tens of billions if not hundreds of billions dollars worth of military equiptment over the next decade


it wasn't a hard choice for the U.S

Was OBL or Mansoor hiding in Pakistan during the Kargil war when the US back stabbed Pakistan? Can you blame the Pakistani people, not the politicians, for their resentment towards a power which clearly supports indian terrorism against Pakistan? Anyway, I appreciate your candid admission that the US unfairly favours india though Pakistan did many monumental favours to the US in the past like opening up China to the US.
 
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Was OBL or Mansoor hiding in Pakistan during the Kargil war when the US back stabbed Pakistan? Can you blame the Pakistani people, not the politicians, for their resentment towards a power which clearly supports indian terrorism against Pakistan?


Kargil war? backstabbed??

U.S doesn't support Indian terrorism in Pakistan o_O

this is about OBL and Mansoor living in Pakistan for years.


this is about $$ and India being useful at containing China.

Pakistan got the short end of the stick.
 
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can you blame the U.S for favoring India now??

when Pakistan friendship with China is higher than the Himlaya mountain deeper than the deepest sea??
when OBL was hiding in Pakistan?
when Mansoor was hiding Pakistan??
when India's economy is destined to be the fastest growing in the world and they'll be importing tens of billions if not hundreds of billions dollars worth of military equiptment over the next decade


it wasn't a hard choice for the U.S

Sir,

If the U S had wanted to---they should h ave killed him in afghanistan--rather intentionally pushing him into pakistan.
 
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Sir,

If the U S had wanted to---they should h ave killed him in afghanistan--rather intentionally pushing him into pakistan.

but are you saying the ISI didn't know he was in Abbotabad? for all those years?

U.S failed to kill him in Afghanistan you can blame Bill Clinton for that.
 
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it's South Africans who have to deal with inept leadership not the world.

the U.S isn't a saint never claimed it was :wave: I agree Bush along with Obama need to be tried by the ICC

but South Africa along with Zimbabwe have faired off worse under black rule than when apartheid was in place :pop:


I don't understand why blacks can't govern themselves and not be corrupt.

You can't be anymore racist than you were there in that comment.
 
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