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Johnson calls for 'guilty until proven innocent' for suspected terrorists | Politics | theguardian.com

Boris Johnson has called for the presumption of innocence to be reversed in cases where Britons travel to Iraq or Syria and said he wants the jihadist who beheaded an American journalist to be killed in a bomb attack.

The Mayor of London, who has overall responsibility for the Metropolitan Police, said legislation should be introduced so that anyone visiting those countries would be automatically presumed to be terrorists unless they had notified the authorities in advance, and joined growing calls for Britons fighting abroad to be stripped of their citizenship.

Johnson said Britain must take on the Islamic State (Isis) and “try to close it down now”, warning that doing nothing would mean a “tide of terror will eventually lap at our own front door”.

British intelligence agencies are close to identifying the killer of US journalist James Foley who has been dubbed “jihadi John”, according to the UK’s ambassador to the US, Sir Peter Westmacott.

Writing in his Daily Telegraph column, Johnson said most Britons wanted “someone to come along with a bunker buster” and kill the man, reported to be British, “as fast as possible”.

Johnson said those who “continue to give allegiance to a terrorist state” should lose their British citizenship and called for a “swift and minor change” to the law so there was a “rebuttable presumption” that those visiting war areas without notifying the authorities had done so for a terrorist purpose.

“We need to make it crystal clear that you will be arrested if you go out to Syria or Iraq without a good reason,” he wrote. “At present the police are finding it very difficult to stop people from simply flying out via Germany, crossing the border, doing their ghastly jihadi tourism, and coming back.”

The mayor said that while Britain’s recent military interventions had left the nation reluctant to wade into overseas conflicts, “doing nothing is surely the worst of all” and warned that the Isis “wackos” must be tackled.

“What is the point of having a defence budget, if we don’t at least try to prevent the establishment of a terrorist ‘caliphate’ that is profoundly hostile to civilised values?” he wrote.
 
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If they're going to an active war zone, I doubt they're interested in the night-life.
presumption of innocence is a core principle of british legal system, I dont see how it can be reversed..
boris is being facetious as usual...
 
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presumption of innocence is a core principle of british legal system, I dont see how it can be reversed..
boris is being facetious as usual...

In times of crisis, principles have to be compromised. There is a very real threat that the men travelling to Iraq and Syria can bring the extremist ideology of the ISIS back to Britain, in which case, a lot more than the British Legal System will be at stake.
Extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures to address them.
 
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yes, they should be put in watch list. Stating publically such thing may not be a good idea for a person like British Mayor of London.
 
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But correct.
boris cant do it, or even the conservative govt... they have no mandate to do so, their coalition partner wont allow it.
In times of crisis, principles have to be compromised. There is a very real threat that the men travelling to Iraq and Syria can bring the extremist ideology of the ISIS back to Britain, in which case, a lot more than the British Legal System will be at stake.
Extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures to address them.
Once you compromise on basic principle, you are on a very slippery slope... hundreds of years of painstaking building of a civilized society thrown away just because you face terror threat.
You seriously think this is time of crisis for UK? more so than IRA period?
 
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Fair enough Boris. Although I am sure the intelligence services already made such a presumption.
 
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you seriously think boris can do it, or even the conservativ govt... they have no mandate to do so, their coalition partner wont allow it.

That was not my point, merely that he has a very clear, commonsensical position. Reasonable to expect that the police will look more closely at these guys.
 
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Yes please. Strip em off their nationality before they take off.
 
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boris cant do it, or even the conservative govt... they have no mandate to do so, their coalition partner wont allow it.

Once you compromise on basic principle, you are on a very slippery slope... hundreds of years of painstaking building of a civilized society thrown away just because you face terror threat.
You seriously think this is time of crisis for UK? more so than IRA period?
But should they have a trial, they would still be innocent until proven guilty. I don't see how this is being broken?
It's not like they won't get a trial.
 
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But should they have a trial, they would still be innocent until proven guilty. I don't see how this is being broken?
It's not like they won't get a trial.
its one thing to question them.. but why 'guilty until proven innocent'? we got a sizable iraqi community in UK ,who might need to travel.
ah may be the newspaper added their own masala.
 
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