Massive floods across Pakistan | Thousands Killed
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The international community, to which Pakistan belongs, is losing the war against the Taliban, Pakistani President Asif Zardari told the French daily Le Monde a few days ago. This is above all because we have lost the battle to win hearts and minds.
Unfortunately, this mea culpa of sorts by Mr. Zardari has done little to change the grim reality on the ground. In fact, the situation has been further exacerbated by the absence of leadership by the ruling feudal elite such as Mr. Zardari during recent heavy flooding of large parts of Pakistan, including the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province which is the center of the Taliban insurgency in Pakistan. This vacuum has been promptly filled by the rapid aid provided to the millions of unfortunate flood victims by the "terrorist" organizations which are being targeted by the "international community" in its "war on terror" of which Mr. Zardari claims to be a part.
Immediate effects:
In addition to the 1600 deaths reported so far, the current estimate is that about 14 million people are affected by the deadly deluge, which is now inundating southern Sind province of the country. The affected population is larger than in other humanitarian crises, including the 2004 Asian tsunami, the 2005 Kashmir quake, the Swat refugee crisis of 2009 and the Haiti quake of 2010.
Almost one in 10 of Pakistan's population has been affected by the floods and at least 6 million are in need of immediate humanitarian assistance. "The flood waters have devastated towns and village, downed power and communications lines, washed away bridges and roads and inflicted major damage to buildings and houses," UN humanitarian chief John Holmes told the media.
"While the death toll may be much lower than in some major disasters... it is clear that this disaster is one of the most challenging that any country has faced in recent years," he added.
Long Term Damage:
There has been a devastating impact to the already poor infrastructure in many parts of Pakistan. "The floodwaters have devastated towns and village, downed power and communications lines, washed away bridges and roads and inflicted major damage to buildings and houses," according to UN's John Holmes.
Already suffering from slow economy, high unemployment and rising food prices even before the floods hit them, tens of millions of Pakistanis living on the edge will have to deal with further loss of homes and livelihoods in the disaster. Some of the worst hit areas have already seen all crops wiped out and many livestock lost, according to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). About 700 000 hectares of crops are under water or destroyed, with many surviving animals without feed. The combination of Russian fires and Pakistani floods has already driven international wheat prices to a two-year high, according to the Wall Street Journal. At about $7 a bushel, the wheat prices are still about half of what they were back in 2007-2008.
Zardari's assessment of the loss of hearts and minds is correct, but his actions are wrong. His absence from the country during the ongoing disaster in Pakistan has sent the worst possible message to the affected people that says that he doesn't really care. Compounding the situation is the extremely slow response of the international community to the unfolding natural disaster that is being called the worst to hit Pakistan in about half a century.
Call For Action:
All is not lost, however. There is still time, though not a lot of time, to make amends by Pakistani government and the international community. They can begin by committing and providing the needed funds, sending in the necessary relief supplies and by deploying a larger fleet of Pakistani and American helicopters with aid workers to reach the trapped people. After ensuring clean execution of short term rescue and relief operations, they must follow up with serious long-term reconstruction efforts to restore and rebuild the lives of millions of affected people. This reconstruction effort would require tens of billions of dollars in the next few years, far more than the immediate half a billion dollar aid requested by the UN.
In the meanwhile, people of goodwill around the world should do what they can by contributing funds through established charities, or by volunteering to alleviate the extraordinary suffering of over 14 million Pakistanis ravaged by the great deluge of this century.
Haq's Musings: High Cost of Failure to Aid Pakistan Flood Victims
Unfortunately, this mea culpa of sorts by Mr. Zardari has done little to change the grim reality on the ground. In fact, the situation has been further exacerbated by the absence of leadership by the ruling feudal elite such as Mr. Zardari during recent heavy flooding of large parts of Pakistan, including the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province which is the center of the Taliban insurgency in Pakistan. This vacuum has been promptly filled by the rapid aid provided to the millions of unfortunate flood victims by the "terrorist" organizations which are being targeted by the "international community" in its "war on terror" of which Mr. Zardari claims to be a part.
Immediate effects:
In addition to the 1600 deaths reported so far, the current estimate is that about 14 million people are affected by the deadly deluge, which is now inundating southern Sind province of the country. The affected population is larger than in other humanitarian crises, including the 2004 Asian tsunami, the 2005 Kashmir quake, the Swat refugee crisis of 2009 and the Haiti quake of 2010.
Almost one in 10 of Pakistan's population has been affected by the floods and at least 6 million are in need of immediate humanitarian assistance. "The flood waters have devastated towns and village, downed power and communications lines, washed away bridges and roads and inflicted major damage to buildings and houses," UN humanitarian chief John Holmes told the media.
"While the death toll may be much lower than in some major disasters... it is clear that this disaster is one of the most challenging that any country has faced in recent years," he added.
Long Term Damage:
There has been a devastating impact to the already poor infrastructure in many parts of Pakistan. "The floodwaters have devastated towns and village, downed power and communications lines, washed away bridges and roads and inflicted major damage to buildings and houses," according to UN's John Holmes.
Already suffering from slow economy, high unemployment and rising food prices even before the floods hit them, tens of millions of Pakistanis living on the edge will have to deal with further loss of homes and livelihoods in the disaster. Some of the worst hit areas have already seen all crops wiped out and many livestock lost, according to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). About 700 000 hectares of crops are under water or destroyed, with many surviving animals without feed. The combination of Russian fires and Pakistani floods has already driven international wheat prices to a two-year high, according to the Wall Street Journal. At about $7 a bushel, the wheat prices are still about half of what they were back in 2007-2008.
Zardari's assessment of the loss of hearts and minds is correct, but his actions are wrong. His absence from the country during the ongoing disaster in Pakistan has sent the worst possible message to the affected people that says that he doesn't really care. Compounding the situation is the extremely slow response of the international community to the unfolding natural disaster that is being called the worst to hit Pakistan in about half a century.
Call For Action:
All is not lost, however. There is still time, though not a lot of time, to make amends by Pakistani government and the international community. They can begin by committing and providing the needed funds, sending in the necessary relief supplies and by deploying a larger fleet of Pakistani and American helicopters with aid workers to reach the trapped people. After ensuring clean execution of short term rescue and relief operations, they must follow up with serious long-term reconstruction efforts to restore and rebuild the lives of millions of affected people. This reconstruction effort would require tens of billions of dollars in the next few years, far more than the immediate half a billion dollar aid requested by the UN.
In the meanwhile, people of goodwill around the world should do what they can by contributing funds through established charities, or by volunteering to alleviate the extraordinary suffering of over 14 million Pakistanis ravaged by the great deluge of this century.
Haq's Musings: High Cost of Failure to Aid Pakistan Flood Victims
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Well to be honest your right, of course the Haiti's being black didnt help either, there is the fact with earth quakes theres probably 10 injured for each one killed, with drowning usually you either die or survive, would also think earth quakes would damage more property over a wider area.
As a muslim living in the USA how do you see americans attitude toward muslims.
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Death toll wise, we can't say nothing yet. The flood is still going on so they haven't been able to collect the bodies yet. As for area, this flood is affecting a much larger area and many more people. Its been wiping out entire villages.
I get the feeling that you are trying to compare the Haitian earthquake to the current flooding. Don't. These are tragic events that are affecting millions of people.
Not favorable, to say the least.
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LAHORE: Except Kuwait, Turkey and the UAE, Pakistan has failed to receive any aid for its flood victims from any other Islamic country. The three countries have offered $5 million, $269,183 and $20,027 respectively, so far. While China with $1,479,290 and Sri Lanka with $26,667 are the only neighbouring countries that have come to the countrys aid.
According to statistics, the countries most hated by Pakistanis as per various opinion polls the US and UK are the two major contributors so far, while the list of remaining donors does not include any Islamic country, however, prominent donors include Germany, France, Greece, Czech Republic, Sweden and Australia. According to the information available, the total amount pledged to Pakistan so far is $84,294,357, much lower than what the UN has sought in its various appeals to the international community.
The UN has launched an appeal for more than $450 million to help those affected. At least 1,600 people have died and many more are missing. This has happened at a time when Pakistan has issued new flood warnings that could last into the weekend as government and relief agencies scramble to confront the toll from a growing into a humanitarian disaster. The UN says, Floods have decimated Pakistan: the number of people suffering could exceed 13 million more than the combined total of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, the 2005 Kashmir earthquake and the 2010 Haiti earthquake.
The people of Pakistan, particularly flood victims, want to know what has happened to the rulers and people of Iran and Saudi Arabia, which have not expressed any intent, let alone offering anything in aid to their Pakistani brothers and sisters. The aid to Pakistan would not be for its rulers, if there existed any misgivings, but for the people who have yet to find means to survive, as a new flood of an almost equal intensity is about to hit various districts of Sindh and Punjab this weekend.
As far as neighbours such as India and Afghanistan are concerned, Pakistan can least expect from both, since none of the two had offered anything so far. As for India, which offered $500 million in aid during the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, the offer was refused by Pakistani authorities in the first place and whatever was allowed in was let to rot at security checkposts on the border.
Pakistan has always looked to Saudi Arabia whenever it faced a difficulty. According to diplomatic sources, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not enjoying the best of ties since the PPP government assumed power, replacing the quasi-military government of Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf, with whom the Saudi rulers had the best of relations like they had with every military ruler in Pakistan. The FO had always played down the souring ties with Saudi Arabia, said a source in the office.
However, international relations experts say a lukewarm response from Saudi Arabia and Iran is difficult to understand, as it is not the government but the people of Pakistan who are suffering and awaiting aid from both the countries.
It is important to mention here the appeal made by Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Chairman Mufti Munibur Rehman on the eve of the Ramazan moon-sighting, to the Pakistanis intending to perform Haj and Umra this year to cancel their plans and spend the money for the flood-hit people instead. Taking a hint from the appeal, the government would be justified in banning Haj by Pakistanis this year as done by Tunisia last year due to fears of swine flu.
LAHORE: Except Kuwait, Turkey and the UAE, Pakistan has failed to receive any aid for its flood victims from any other Islamic country. The three countries have offered $5 million, $269,183 and $20,027 respectively, so far. While China with $1,479,290 and Sri Lanka with $26,667 are the only neighbouring countries that have come to the countrys aid.
According to statistics, the countries most hated by Pakistanis as per various opinion polls the US and UK are the two major contributors so far, while the list of remaining donors does not include any Islamic country, however, prominent donors include Germany, France, Greece, Czech Republic, Sweden and Australia. According to the information available, the total amount pledged to Pakistan so far is $84,294,357, much lower than what the UN has sought in its various appeals to the international community.
The UN has launched an appeal for more than $450 million to help those affected. At least 1,600 people have died and many more are missing. This has happened at a time when Pakistan has issued new flood warnings that could last into the weekend as government and relief agencies scramble to confront the toll from a growing into a humanitarian disaster. The UN says, Floods have decimated Pakistan: the number of people suffering could exceed 13 million more than the combined total of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, the 2005 Kashmir earthquake and the 2010 Haiti earthquake.
The people of Pakistan, particularly flood victims, want to know what has happened to the rulers and people of Iran and Saudi Arabia, which have not expressed any intent, let alone offering anything in aid to their Pakistani brothers and sisters. The aid to Pakistan would not be for its rulers, if there existed any misgivings, but for the people who have yet to find means to survive, as a new flood of an almost equal intensity is about to hit various districts of Sindh and Punjab this weekend.
As far as neighbours such as India and Afghanistan are concerned, Pakistan can least expect from both, since none of the two had offered anything so far. As for India, which offered $500 million in aid during the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, the offer was refused by Pakistani authorities in the first place and whatever was allowed in was let to rot at security checkposts on the border.
Pakistan has always looked to Saudi Arabia whenever it faced a difficulty. According to diplomatic sources, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not enjoying the best of ties since the PPP government assumed power, replacing the quasi-military government of Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf, with whom the Saudi rulers had the best of relations like they had with every military ruler in Pakistan. The FO had always played down the souring ties with Saudi Arabia, said a source in the office.
However, international relations experts say a lukewarm response from Saudi Arabia and Iran is difficult to understand, as it is not the government but the people of Pakistan who are suffering and awaiting aid from both the countries.
It is important to mention here the appeal made by Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Chairman Mufti Munibur Rehman on the eve of the Ramazan moon-sighting, to the Pakistanis intending to perform Haj and Umra this year to cancel their plans and spend the money for the flood-hit people instead. Taking a hint from the appeal, the government would be justified in banning Haj by Pakistanis this year as done by Tunisia last year due to fears of swine flu.
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I thought that was the topic of the thread. Why are we less generous towards Pakistan than we were to Haiti?
On the subject of American Attitudes toward Muslims heres a Poll.
June 2, 2009
CNN Poll: Many Americans hold unfavorable view of Muslim world
Posted: June 2nd, 2009 05:02 AM ET
From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
WASHINGTON (CNN) - Hours before President Barack Obama departs for a trip to the Middle East, a new national poll suggests that only one in five Americans has a favorable view of Muslim countries.
That compares to 46 percent of the people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey who say they have an unfavorable opinion of Muslim countries. That's up five points from 2002, when 41 percent indicated they had an unfavorable view.
Three in ten meanwhile say they have a neutral opinion of Muslim countries.
The poll also suggests that most Americans think people in Muslim countries don't think highly of the United States. Nearly eight in ten questioned say people in Muslim countries have a unfavorable opinion of the U.S., with 14 percent saying Muslims hold a favorable view.
But the poll indicates Americans seem to be split on whether such negative opinions by Muslims matter. Fifty-three percent of those questioned say they think Muslim views of the U.S. matter a great deal or a moderate amount, with 47 percent saying that Muslim opinions of the U.S. don't matter very much or at all.
The poll's release comes just hours before the president flies to Saudi Arabia for meetings with King Abdullah. Following the stop in Saudi Arabia, Obama heads to Egypt, where Thursday he'll deliver a long-awaited speech on relations between the United States and the Muslim world. At a town hall in Turkey earlier this year, the president delcared that "the United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam."
Americans seem to agree with the president: 62 percent of those surveyed say they don't think the U.S. is at war with the Muslim world, with 36 percent indicating that the country is at war with Muslim countries. Those numbers have remained stable since CNN's 2002 poll.
But the poll suggests that six out of ten think that the Muslim world considers itself at war with the U.S.
"The feeling seems to be mutual. We distrust Muslims. They distrust Americans. Views of Americans have not changed very much over the past seven years. There are some indications that Muslims' views of Americans have improved a bit since Barack Obama took office, but they are still not positive," says CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted May 14-17, with 1,010 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.
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WB commits $900m for flood relief
ISLAMABAD: The World Bank agreed on Thursday to commit $900 million for relief and reconstruction of flood-ravaged areas and to undertake next week a damage and needs assessment (DNA) exercise.
This was announced by the Ministry of Finance after a meeting between Finance Minister Dr Abdul Hafeez Shaikh and World Bank’s Country Director Rachid Benmessaoud here on Thursday.
According to a statement, they discussed the scope of the banks’ support for relief and reconstruction. “As a consequence of the meeting, the country director has agreed to commit an amount of $900 million for the purpose.”
The finance minister stressed the need for immediately initiating the damage and needs assessment work in the affected areas. The World Bank representative said the process would start next week.
On the basis of the DNA, the government will convene a donors’ conference soon to seek international assistance.
Meanwhile, the World Bank has made available a grant of $1.3 million for rescue, relief and recovery work in flood-affected areas.
The grant has been provided through the Global Facility for Disaster Reduction and Recovery (GFDRR) to strengthen disaster management, conduct damage and needs assessment and support a long-term disaster reduction plan, the World Bank announced on Thursday.
The DNA validates data provided by the government regarding the impact of a disaster from a broad range of sectors and perspectives. It is, therefore, not a reconstruction plan, although it will help inform and provide the basis for such a plan.
The bank says it is working closely with the government and development partners to respond to the crisis. The support is focused on medium- to long-term reconstruction. The bank is also in contact with those providing humanitarian relief. The World Bank has already created a Multi-Donor Trust Fund at the request of Pakistan to support critical reconstruction and peace-building initiatives in crisis-affected areas of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, Fata and Balochistan. Administered by the World Bank, nine donors have so far expressed interest in pooling resources into the fund.
In a related development, Germany has announced an increase in assistance for flood-affected people by up to Rs10 million, bringing the German immediate relief aid to Rs1.12 billion.
A press release of the German Embassy said that the help would be channelled through the UN and German humanitarian aid organisations. The German government has also provided 3.12 million euros to a project aimed at improving water and sanitation conditions in Gilgit-Baltistan.
ISLAMABAD: The World Bank agreed on Thursday to commit $900 million for relief and reconstruction of flood-ravaged areas and to undertake next week a damage and needs assessment (DNA) exercise.
This was announced by the Ministry of Finance after a meeting between Finance Minister Dr Abdul Hafeez Shaikh and World Bank’s Country Director Rachid Benmessaoud here on Thursday.
According to a statement, they discussed the scope of the banks’ support for relief and reconstruction. “As a consequence of the meeting, the country director has agreed to commit an amount of $900 million for the purpose.”
The finance minister stressed the need for immediately initiating the damage and needs assessment work in the affected areas. The World Bank representative said the process would start next week.
On the basis of the DNA, the government will convene a donors’ conference soon to seek international assistance.
Meanwhile, the World Bank has made available a grant of $1.3 million for rescue, relief and recovery work in flood-affected areas.
The grant has been provided through the Global Facility for Disaster Reduction and Recovery (GFDRR) to strengthen disaster management, conduct damage and needs assessment and support a long-term disaster reduction plan, the World Bank announced on Thursday.
The DNA validates data provided by the government regarding the impact of a disaster from a broad range of sectors and perspectives. It is, therefore, not a reconstruction plan, although it will help inform and provide the basis for such a plan.
The bank says it is working closely with the government and development partners to respond to the crisis. The support is focused on medium- to long-term reconstruction. The bank is also in contact with those providing humanitarian relief. The World Bank has already created a Multi-Donor Trust Fund at the request of Pakistan to support critical reconstruction and peace-building initiatives in crisis-affected areas of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, Fata and Balochistan. Administered by the World Bank, nine donors have so far expressed interest in pooling resources into the fund.
In a related development, Germany has announced an increase in assistance for flood-affected people by up to Rs10 million, bringing the German immediate relief aid to Rs1.12 billion.
A press release of the German Embassy said that the help would be channelled through the UN and German humanitarian aid organisations. The German government has also provided 3.12 million euros to a project aimed at improving water and sanitation conditions in Gilgit-Baltistan.
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You were focusing solely on the magnitude of the events when the topic is to focus on the amount of aid given.
Here's another poll, one that says over 40% of Americans believe that the civil liberties of Muslims should be restricted: Poll shows U.S. views on Muslim-Americans - U.S. news - msnbc.com
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Its great Help.
I think as a human being one will always apprectae if other human lives are saved... Irrespective of who does the same.
Good Work USA.
Hope our Pakistani Brothers n Ssisters recover from this disaster soon.
God Bless Pakistan.
I think as a human being one will always apprectae if other human lives are saved... Irrespective of who does the same.
Good Work USA.
Hope our Pakistani Brothers n Ssisters recover from this disaster soon.
God Bless Pakistan.
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The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim-Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.
I dont agree with having all Muslim Americans register, but I have no problem with profiling any group if that group present a danger, when grandmother of from Ohio start carrying bombs and hijacking planes, then I would be in favor of takeing a closer look at them. Also I think undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising. The FBI has done that to many american groups including differant religions in the USA as well poltical parties.
According to FBI records, 85% of COINTELPRO resources were expended on infiltrating, disrupting, marginalizing, and/or subverting groups suspected of being subversive,[4] such as communist and socialist organizations; the women's rights movement; militant black nationalist groups, and the non-violent civil rights movement, including individuals such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the Congress of Racial Equality, the American Indian Movement, and other civil rights groups; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society, the National Lawyers Guild, the Weathermen, almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, and even individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; and nationalist groups such as those "seeking independence for Puerto Rico." The other 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert "white hate groups," including the Ku Klux Klan and National States' Rights Party.[5]
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If this is what it takes to prevent another 911 or people supporting terrorist organizations, welcome to the new world.
Some say the FBI have infiltrated the tea party.
Thats the job of the FBI, thats why they call it the Federal Bureau of Investigation, its their job to investigate any group to determine if they present a threat or engage in criminal activites.
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The Pakistan Air Force has released details of its flood relief operations across the country.
August 12: The Pakistan Air Force has released details of its flood relief operations across the country in the wake of the worst rainstorms for decades.
Rescue helicopters from PAF base Mianwali have dropped thousands of meal boxes in the surrounding areas have conveyed doctors and paramedical staff along with ambulances to provide medical treatment to flood victims.
C-130 transport aircraft are transporting relief goods including mineral water and ready-to-eat meals from PAF Base Chaklala, and four have been transporting stranded people from Skurdu and Gilgit. Near Sindh 84 transport boats have been taken by C-130s Sukkur. In four days the C-130s and helicopters transported half a million pounds of dry rations, mineral water, tents, water purification plants, blankets and ready-to-eat food.
From PAF Base Peshawar four helicopters are delivering relief goods in locally flooded areas and relief goods received from neighbouring countries are also being dispatched by C-130s. The Pakistan Air Force has 16 C-130s available, comprising five C-130Bs, ten C-130Es and a single L-100 based with 6 Squadron at Chaklala.
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August 12: The Pakistan Air Force has released details of its flood relief operations across the country in the wake of the worst rainstorms for decades.
Rescue helicopters from PAF base Mianwali have dropped thousands of meal boxes in the surrounding areas have conveyed doctors and paramedical staff along with ambulances to provide medical treatment to flood victims.
C-130 transport aircraft are transporting relief goods including mineral water and ready-to-eat meals from PAF Base Chaklala, and four have been transporting stranded people from Skurdu and Gilgit. Near Sindh 84 transport boats have been taken by C-130s Sukkur. In four days the C-130s and helicopters transported half a million pounds of dry rations, mineral water, tents, water purification plants, blankets and ready-to-eat food.
From PAF Base Peshawar four helicopters are delivering relief goods in locally flooded areas and relief goods received from neighbouring countries are also being dispatched by C-130s. The Pakistan Air Force has 16 C-130s available, comprising five C-130Bs, ten C-130Es and a single L-100 based with 6 Squadron at Chaklala.
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